Reality

[BigBlueFanGA]

Proof by assertion. Know what that means? I think you're just baiting now. Buh-bye, waste.

Again, you need to stop using big words you don't understand there was no fallacy in my post, therefore no strawman and that would rule out proof by assertion as well. If you want to get down to brass tacks, you're the one using a straman argument and repeating it ad infinitum, which is the very definition of proof by assertion. We won. I know that hurts but you're just going to have to accept it.

 

[LowCountryCat]

The sack was from the backside.

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He got sacked and lost 15 yards after running for his life and not throwing the ball out of bounds. Now, does he know to do that and just froze? Or is he poorly coached?

 

[LowCountryCat]

Again, you need to stop using big words you don't understand there was no fallacy in my post, therefore no strawman and that would rule out proof by assertion as well. If you want to get down to brass tacks, you're the one using a straman argument and repeating it ad infinitum, which is the very definition of proof by assertion. We won. I know that hurts but you're just going to have to accept it.

There's another straw man. You really should look it up. I've been doing this long before you learned how to hunt and peck on your mommy's typewriter.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Ah, now comes the juvenile attacks. Lets be blunt. How about you show the fallacy you claim I posted, or you simply stop annoying people. I'll wait.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

He got sacked and lost 15 yards after running for his life and not throwing the ball out of bounds. Now, does he know to do that and just froze? Or is he poorly coached?

Or was he the victim of poor OL play, a running back missing his block and good coverage downfield.

 

[brianpoe]

Or was he the victim of poor OL play, a running back missing his block and good coverage downfield.

Like basic football knowledge will convince certain ignored people. Keep up the good fight, you think this guy would be happy with win over NC State today...

 

[LowCountryCat]

Ah, now comes the juvenile attacks.

Again, you need to stop using big words you don't understand

Irony.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I don't know. I think he may have just got blindsided with the comeback and he's been running further into the rabbit hole instead of simply saying he may have over reacted just a bit.

 

[zcats]

Tell Mitch not to schedule in state schools. He did us a great favor with WKU and EKU, CM started the mess against UL. Enough already.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Irony.

I take that as a clear admission that you can't find a fallacy.

 

[LowCountryCat]

I don't know.

Smartest thing you've said all night.

 

[brianpoe]

Tell Mitch not to schedule in state schools. He did us a great favor with WKU and EKU, CM started the mess against UL. Enough already.

I understand it helps them out financially, but it is an absolutely no win situation. And yes we should beat them all by 30 points but we dont. I agree zcats.

 

[LowCountryCat]

I take that as a clear admission that you can't find a fallacy.

Take it however you want, I don't have time nor inclination to teach you something that you are too lazy to learn yourself.

 

[Dreklie]

PT also had 2 awful interceptions, and he did not bring us back, that would be Dorian Baker. You are related to Towles in some way, I guarantee it. You lick his jock on every single post dude, he is mediocre at best.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Take it however you want, I don't have time nor inclination to teach you something that you are too lazy to learn yourself.

And that my friends is the end. Don't bother taking a debate class. You won't get many likes there either.

 

[secrules3]

Had a pretty bad stream of the video and a very sick kid so I didn't get a good view of the game. From what I could tell, the line was pretty bad, Towles was pretty bad for three quarters but led an amazing comeback win, the defense had a bit of a let down and maybe came in over confident and last but not least the man love is still strong .

Good win CATS!!!

 

[brianpoe]

PT also had 2 awful interceptions, and he did not bring us back, that would be Dorian Baker.

How did Baker bring us back? He had 3 catches out of 9 completions the last 2 drives. Who threw him the ball?

Why do you guys hate our QB so much?

Do you know who brought us back?

Baker and the other 6-7 wr's who caught the ball.

The oline who blocked.

The defense with big stops.

AND OUR QB WHO HIT 11 of 12 the last two drives (3 to Baker).


Geez guys, what has PT done to you all to have this blind disgust?

 

[TNTUK]

The box score is not reality, no matter how hard you try to spin it.

You are right. And the box score - aka reality - says we won tonight.

 

[Poetax]

What's worse is having emotional issues, like denial, and integrity issues, where you spin the game into the box score and willfully ignore what actually happened in the game.

If you merely look at the box score you think, "Wow UK had a little closer game than they expected" but you don't assume that they were down 2 TDs with 7:00 to go and crapped the bed like a bunch of high schoolers from Sisters of the Blind for 4/5 of the game.

It's certain that you don't see the game the same way that some of us do. In the past those Sisters would have beaten us but Stoops and staff got them to believe they could win late in the 4th quarter. BIG difference then what we saw in the past. We played badly in almost every phase of the game and we still won. That should be the focus plus we have to play better next week.

 

[TNTUK]

Nice try, champ. You just compared this game to the 2011 PLAYOFF game against Princeton. And Stoops, who is learning on the job, doesn't hold a candle to Calipari, who can learn from his mistakes. Furthermore, nobody had any idea how the 2011 season was going to end up until after it was over. Are you predicting we will go to the Sugar Bowl now? ROFL You have NO IDEA what you're talking about.

He absolutely knows what he is talking about.

Sorry you didn't like the sloppy WIN tonight, but UK won and we are 4-1 after tonight.

I guess you predicted UK to be 5-0 at this point, didn't you?

 

[Poetax]

How is it that you are not aware of the phrase "hollow victory?"

I'm not sure what world you live in but with the records that we have had in the last six years can ANY victory be a hollow one?

 

[UKWildcats#8]

All the bickering aside, 4-1 with one near sure win against Charlotte still on the schedule. UK played crappy against ULL in the 2nd half and won, crappy against SC in the 2nd half and won, crappy against Missouri in the 1st half and won and crappy for 3.5 quarters against EKu and won. If they can learn consistency they cake walk to 6+ wins. IF.

 

[brianpoe]

Had a pretty bad stream of the video and a very sick kid so I didn't get a good view of the game. From what I could tell, the line was pretty bad, Towles was pretty bad for three quarters but led an amazing comeback win, the defense had a bit of a let down and maybe came in over confident and last but not least the man love is still strong .

Good win CATS!!!

I know you like to jab me. And I really have no allegiance to Patrick at all. But I guess I have some real differences with game situations and looking at the entire unit than some.


I have said taking the starter out during the USC game was a bad idea - people got mad and told me i was his GF.
But on the road in the SEC with a small lead and your QB hitting 70% you do not take him out for a player with zero experience.

I said taking him out agains UF was a bad idea. People said I was his mom. One score game against that rush and our oline play was no time to experiment. IMO.


Tonight is a prime example of you guys who hate PT.


Line blocks and he throws a TD it is all the WR.

Line doesnt block and he makes a bad throw or is sacked he sucks.

We have no running game becoming one dimensional and he is forced out of the pocket 80% of the plays the first 3.5 quarters and he makes bad throws he sucks. He completes a couple of bombs and he was lucky wr caught them.

WR drop 3 passes again he sucks. Throws 3 TDs, wr's are great.


I dont care who is QB, i stand by all of it. If it was Drew or whoever. You cannot dismiss his comeback. You cannot dismiss 70% completion on 42 passes. You cannot dismiss overcoming the two INT's.

He doesn't do well in pressure situations, he can be inaccurate at times, we all know this.


But to constantly shit on a kid who has hit 74% of his passes for 589 and 5 TDs the last 2 games doesn't make sense. He did his part tonight.

 

[Poetax]

Err I saw what was within a hair of being the worst UK football loss in my lifetime.

I guess a hair is as good as a mile because we didn't lose, lol.

 

[Poetax]

Did you just compare Stoops, whom you JUST STATED is learning on the job, to Hall of Famer Calipari?

ROFLMAO You are an absolute joke.

Hmmmm, are reading in between the lines or are you reading his mind? I don't see Cal's name mentioned in that post. Maybe you are just too upset right now.

 

[BengalWACO]

It is not unrealistic to expect our SEC team to easily handle or even roll a team from a team like Eastern. They lost to NC State 0-35. If you cannot beat the young little girl down the street there is a problem and unrealistic expectations is not the problem.

You hit the nail right on the head. They came into our house, and forced us to overtime.. Unrealistic expectations? I guess you are right Brian, I would expect my QB not to throw 2 turnovers to no interceptions against a team like Eastern KY after coming off a really solid game against a MUCH better opponent in Missouri (25th). Please don't act like this was a competative FBS team and wonder why we don't just "take the W" and move on. There are obviously chemistry issues here that are

You really have some kind of a mental issue don't you. I apologize, I had no idea just how bad off you were. Go ahead and make stuff up all you want. It's ok...no really, rant on, but please get back on your meds....soon.

Ahh, the cutting down a mental illness retort. Not cool man.

 

[Poetax]

Like I've EVER given two sh*ts what you pumpers think of what I have to say. Go ahead, show me where I have. I don't give a rat's ass. I'll say what I want to say and defend it if I think I'm right. You wimps running around kissing each others' asses and wallowing in groupthink have nada to be proud of.

All those threads from behind your keyboard, what a brave soul you are.

 

[BengalWACO]

All in all I am happy we won...keeps my team in contention for a bowl game and also my bovada acct happy. GO CATS!!

 

[Poetax]

You hit the nail right on the head. They came into our house, and forced us to overtime.. Unrealistic expectations? I guess you are right Brian, I would expect my QB not to throw 2 turnovers to no interceptions against a team like Eastern KY after coming off a really solid game against a MUCH better opponent in Missouri (25th). Please don't act like this was a competative FBS team and wonder why we don't just "take the W" and move on. There are obviously chemistry issues here that are


Ahh, the cutting down a mental illness retort. Not cool man.

Why? It's one thing to complain about how we played. But bashing our own players after a win is showing mental stress of some magnitude.

 

[brianpoe]

You hit the nail right on the head. They came into our house, and forced us to overtime.. Unrealistic expectations? I guess you are right Brian, I would expect my QB not to throw 2 turnovers to no interceptions against a team like Eastern KY after coming off a really solid game against a MUCH better opponent in Missouri (25th). Please don't act like this was a competative FBS team and wonder why we don't just "take the W" and move on. There are obviously chemistry issues here that are


Ahh, the cutting down a mental illness retort. Not cool man.

WACO for some reason you missed the point. The unrealistic part is on the team in general this season and PT, not this game.

Of course we should have won by 4 tds.

Of course PT shouldnt have thrown 2 picks.

Of course the oline should have blocked.

Of course we should have more than 20 yards rushing vs EKU.

Of course our defense should have played way better.

Of course special teams shouldnt stink.


But you only mention PT? Do you not expect more out of the other players? Or can you only bitch about PT?


You know what else shouldn't have happened?

The come back itself -

no way a QB thaty sucks that bad should hit on 11/12 the last two drives in under 3 minutes for 2 TDs, but he did.

No way the line starts blocking, but they did,

no way the defense holds 3 times in a row, yes they did.


As to my mental comment the guy either has mental issues or is a total POS i do not care either way.

Maybe his bad attitude is PT's fault too, that's not cool either.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Most people are not intelligent enough to look beyond a QB in wins or losses. That is the IT position in football and that is what they latch on every game.

It's just like in basketball when the idiot section of the fanbase always attacked our starting PG of the past two seasons, win or lose.

 

[jauk11]

Stop trying to put lipstick on a pig. This EKU team is beyond pathetic. How anyone could take something positive from this game is beyond me. It is nothing to be proud of.

Speaking of being miserable, you have to be pretty miserable if you can't take anything positive from this game.

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

The sack was from the backside.

He came back with TWO td drives in 3 minutes.

He hit several receivers. He made big throws and wr's made big catches.

Pumping the wr's and shitting on the passer? How about the drops? No mention. How about the crap blocking? No mention.

With zero running game and no blocking for 3.5 qtrs the kid completes 70% for 330 and leads us back.....


EVERY player (and coach) had a rough game but PT bounced back perfectly.

You cannot discount 70% on 43 throws or 74% on 69 including last game.

He is inconsistent, he has trouble with pressure, tell us something we ALL dont already know. But the kid is a gamer this year and some of you all refuse to give him any praise.


He had bad plays but he also won the game for us.


WE DID NOT WIN DESPITE PATRICK TOWLES.

I've already addressed nearly everything you said and you just keep screaming "stats are stats!!!1!1!1!1!" We didn't have nearly as many drops as your claiming, and had a lot more should have been interceptions than you're willing to admit.

Overall, he did not play well last night, just like (almost) everyone else. UKErik saw it. Rowland saw it. Anyone who actually watched the game and didn't just look at the box score saw it. He did play well on the last few drives. We didn't win "despite Pat", but he also very clearly didn't "win the game for us". Just ridiculous to completely nullify the surreal play of our skillplayers coming down the stretch out of a necessity to defend all things Patrick towles. Agree to disagree.

 

[brianpoe]

I've already addressed nearly everything you said and you just keep screaming "stats are stats!!!1!1!1!1!" We didn't have nearly as many drops as your claiming, and had a lot more should have been interceptions than you're willing to admit.

He played bad last night, just like (almost) everyone else. He did play well on the last few drives. We didn't win "despite Pat", but he also very clearly didn't "win the game for us". Just ridiculous to completely nullify the surreal play of our receivers coming down the stretch out of some weird necessity to defend all things Patrick towles. Agree to disagree.

It is not really that we disagree. The total shit storm on PT is dumb.

The entire team, except CJ and Baker played like crap. The offense and defense totally stepped up to win the game, including PT. He is the only player singled out as pathetic and yet when you look at his performance it ended up being solid overall.

There were drops, as there always will be, there were serious protection issues, no run game. For some reason people do not understand that these are key issues to a QB's success.

The amount of hate for one of our players regardless of their name is disgusting.

We judge QB's and most players by stats. His stats were actually better than what he looked, however, those stats mean something, those completions and TDs helped us win. The one INT was bad, the other on the run deep at the end of the half was practically a punt, although I would like to see him get more on that pass.

 

[Blue Decade]

For those of us that actually played and coached sports we know you will have games like these. Like Coach Cal says, these will come every year, get the W and take it.

Why can you and so many others NOT find any positives here?

+1. From someone who played.

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

It is not really that we disagree. The total shit storm on PT is dumb.

The entire team, except CJ and Baker played like crap. The offense and defense totally stepped up to win the game, including PT. He is the only player singled out as pathetic and yet when you look at his performance it ended up being solid overall.

There were drops, as there always will be, there were serious protection issues, no run game. For some reason people do not understand that these are key issues to a QB's success.

The amount of hate for one of our players regardless of their name is disgusting.

We judge QB's and most players by stats. His stats were actually better than what he looked, however, those stats mean something, those completions and TDs helped us win. The one INT was bad, the other on the run deep at the end of the half was practically a punt, although I would like to see him get more on that pass.

No, we disagree. You think he played well, I don't. You think for some reason a player is beyond criticism because, golly, he tries his best. I don't.

You're the one whos started two threads in ~12 hours largely or entirely centered on our QB. Whos the one(s) that keeps focusing on one player? Looks like you.

And newsflash: the QB is always, always, always going to get more attention than the rest of the team, because he has substantially more impact on the game per snap than any other player on the field, offense or defense. Not even close. When its good, its really good. When its bad, its really bad. This isn't something exclusive to the "towles haters" or the UK fan base or whatever. Like I said, you've started two threads about it yourself.

 

[brianpoe]

No, we disagree. You think he played well, I don't. You think for some reason a player is beyond criticism because, golly, he tries his best. I don't.

You're the one whos started two threads in ~12 hours largely or entirely centered on our QB. Whos the one(s) that keeps focusing on one player? Looks like you.

And newsflash: the QB is always, always, always going to get more attention than the rest of the team, because he has substantially more impact on the game per snap than any other player on the field, offense or defense. Not even close. When its good, its really good. When its bad, its really bad. This isn't something exclusive to the "towles haters" or the UK fan base or whatever. Like I said, you've started two threads about it yourself.

The QB receives the most attention because fans do not know football. All they see is the QB. Not the line or anything else.

He did play well at the end.

How many times do i have to say he had a rough game and he has his deficiencies?

What do you want to hear from me?

You are being hardheaded. We agree with his negatives, we agree he had bad game, except I think was great at the end. i also think more goes into his poor performance than just him (oline, run game).

You do not, you think it is all his fault.

Oline sucked - PT's fault

Dropped passes - PT's fault

Defense sucked most of the game - all PT's fault.

Special teams sucked all game - PT's fault.


You are unreasonable. He is our only QB right now. Drew is not playing, and Drew would not have had better stats last night and Drew would not have made the oline, the defense, the running game or special teams play better.

You are being unrealistic.

 

[CatOnRockyTop]

My version of reality was the conditions for a flat performance were firmly in place. I expected a flat UK team but I also thought we would win comfortably by a couple of TDs.
Some of these conditions were created by the coaching staff and that is something that Stoops can't let happen again. The Nick Saban model of building up inferior opponents works much better than talking about playing reserves all week. I also question scolding our players about getting too physical in retaliation for the bar room and dorm fights. If the team needed to gain motivation by kicking their asses for that reason, so be it.
The Boom soap opera had to be a distraction.
EKU had a pretty badly beaten teammate that they wanted revenge for and the loss of another gave them even more motivation. Bottom line was EKU was ready to play and we were not.
When all these things are in place it falls on the coaching staff to do extra work getting the team ready and I hope this was a learning experience for a young and still learning staff.
With all that I am still "all in" with this team and staff and am happy to be 4-1. Better days are coming, enjoy the ride.

 

[SosaUK]

Can I point out the glaringly interesting thing here. Prime has something like 12000 posts and 46 likes, many of those tonight from his fellow haters. Brian has 3500 posts with 1100 likes. Not that this like system is important but clearly one of you has more respect on this board. Just saying.

I gave you a like.

Like I've EVER given two sh*ts what you pumpers think of what I have to say. Go ahead, show me where I have. I don't give a rat's ass. I'll say what I want to say and defend it if I think I'm right. You wimps running around kissing each others' asses and wallowing in groupthink have nada to be proud of.

Stfu. This dude is still talking?

 

[NKYWildcat]

EKU was better in the trenches on both sides of the ball, especially EKU's D-Line vs UK's O-Line, until depth became a factor. The Colonels simply didn't have enough in the tank to keep that effort going for 60+ minutes.

Part of it was poor play on UK's part, but EKU had the best player on the field in DE Noah Spence. He caused havoc. He just had to play too many snaps at a very high level.

IT was a good win because a loss would have been terrible for the goodwill that Stoops had built to this point in trying to win back the fan base. The closest comparison in the past I can make was the 1994 loss to NE Louisiana (now UL-Monroe). EKU will fight with Jacksonville State (who took Auburn to OT) for the OVC title and will make the FCS playoffs more than likely.