2003 Frosh PG McNamara Syracuse
2012 Teague
2015 Tyus Jones Duke
Ok, 3 out of the last 30, about what I figured. I’m good with an upperclassman PG then lol
2003 Frosh PG McNamara Syracuse
2012 Teague
2015 Tyus Jones Duke
Freshmen became eligible in 1975; it may be 3 in 49 years. I cannot recall any frosh PG champs before 2003.Ok, 3 out of the last 30, about what I figured. I’m good with an upperclassman PG then lol
Bibby in 97 for Zona.Freshmen became eligible in 1975; it may be 3 in 49 years. I cannot recall any frosh PG champs before 2003.
Yes and most of them were surrounded by veterans.Frosh Bibby led Arizona to the title in 1997; so 4 frosh PGs in 49 years have titles
Saul, Butler as a senior is way better than Ulis as a freshman. Ulis had a tremendous supporting cast which made him better. Butler is a heck of a player. His supporting cast is very good and I would say he has a better coach supporting him. We shall see. We both want the best for the cats. So glad the imposter is gone.I respect your view but I disagree with you on this one. Our elite freshmen point guard/combo guards have been light year's better than our veterans. Wall, Knight, Fox, SGA, Maxey, Murray, etc. vs. veterans like Hagans, Harrow, Wheeler, and Mintz. Even a freshman, backup point guard Ulis is better than anything we'll have this year with Butler and Kriisa.
Give me the elite freshman point guards any day over anything the portal can provide. Peterson is a future top 10 pick for a reason.
I think the argument isn't simply a matter of how many freshmen point guards have led their teams to a national title.Put an asterisk beside Jones because much of the time Cook had the ball running the Point.
I haven't made the argument that you construct a roster out of only freshmen. I'm making the argument that it's sensible to take a guy like Derrick Rose (if you can) and surround him with veteran players.Yes and most of them were surrounded by veterans.
Bibby had Simon and Terry in the backcourt with him.
Jones had Cook.
Teague bad Lanb and Miller. And a transcendent player in AD.
McNamara had a transcendent player in Carmelo Anthony. Warrick was a veteran.
Find a Wayne Turner clone. In that I mean a player that can score from his position when needed but prides himself in distributing the ball with great passes. Quite thinking of anything traditional as pg guards going inside to find big men for layups. UK will be shooting 3 from every position and running teams into mistakes. 15 years of dribble drive was a waste. With Pope that scheme goes away.I respect your view but I disagree with you on this one. Our elite freshmen point guard/combo guards have been light year's better than our veterans. Wall, Knight, Fox, SGA, Maxey, Murray, etc. vs. veterans like Hagans, Harrow, Wheeler, and Mintz. Even a freshman, backup point guard Ulis is better than anything we'll have this year with Butler and Kriisa.
Give me the elite freshman point guards any day over anything the portal can provide. Peterson is a future top 10 pick for a reason.
Would you pass on a guy with Wall or Rose freshmen-level talent? How about a De'Aron level talent?Ok, 3 out of the last 30, about what I figured. I’m good with an upperclassman PG then lol
If he is the right fit for the system, you take him.Would you pass on a guy with Wall or Rose freshmen-level talent? How about a De'Aron level talent?
The reality is that many freshmen are simply not good enough to compete at a Final Four level, but some are. I don't think it's smart to throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to how to construct a team. Yes, having an all-freshmen centered team is a bad idea, but surrounding a De'Aaron Fox-level point guard with veterans isn't the worst idea in the world.
Would you pass on a guy with Wall or Rose freshmen-level talent? How about a De'Aron level talent?
The reality is that many freshmen are simply not good enough to compete at a Final Four level, but some are. I don't think it's smart to throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to how to construct a team. Yes, having an all-freshmen centered team is a bad idea, but surrounding a De'Aaron Fox-level point guard with veterans isn't the worst idea in the world.
2003 Frosh PG McNamara Syracuse
2012 Teague
2015 Tyus Jones Duke
So we now have Bibby, El Amin, Jones, Teague, and McNamara since 1997.El-Amin
Why 97?So we now have Bibby, El Amin, Jones, Teague, and McNamara since 1997.
That's 5/27, or 19% of the time. When spread out over four years worth of point guards, freshmen starters winning it almost 20% of the time isn't really as horrific as some have made it sound.
Plus Rose was a rainbow three away. That would have been 6/27. That would have been a 22% success rate. A few others have been close: Jalen Suggs, Brandon Knight, Andrew Harrison, etc.
You'd think it wasn't possible based on how people have made it sound.
So we now have Bibby, El Amin, Jones, Teague, and McNamara since 1997.
That's 5/27, or 19% of the time. When spread out over four years worth of point guards, freshmen starters winning it almost 20% of the time isn't really as horrific as some have made it sound.
Plus Rose was a rainbow three away. That would have been 6/27. That would have been a 22% success rate. A few others have been close: Jalen Suggs, Brandon Knight, Andrew Harrison, etc.
You'd think it wasn't possible based on how people have made it sound.
It doesn't matter if a kid is a freshman, sophomore, or 5th year senior, you try to fill every spot with the best, most talented players that you possibly can. RunninRichie said it best about there not being a science to it. I don't care if it comes from recruiting, the portal, or kids returning, we need the best of the best.How many starting freshmen point guards have won a national championship in the last 30 years? And I’m not trying to be a smartass im genuinely curious. Obviously I know of Teague but who else? If it’s a low number and Pope has already been open about wanting to win a championship then my guess is it won’t be Popes strategy, and I’m good with that.
It doesn't matter if a kid is a freshman, sophomore, or 5th year senior, you try to fill every spot with the best, most talented players that you possibly can. RunninRichie said it best about there not being a science to it. I don't care if it comes from recruiting, the portal, or kids returning, we need the best of the best.