Poster Delivers Some Sobering News to Critics

[KATSROCK]

Jack Pilgrim's tweet is adding fuel to what is not a fire. Apparently he's too lazy to actually analyze the stats.

Statistics can say whatever you want without analysis.

A much more meaningful statistic that shows how good the SEC teams were that Stoops beat is how many teams would have finished .500 and above in SEC play if not for the loss to Kentucky.

The answer is 18 !

That's right, Stoops has 18 wins against SEC teams that otherwise would have finished at least .500 in SEC play if they could have beaten Kentucky.

There will be idiots that will deny this has meaning.

So....

Looking at the regular season, which is the only time Stoops has been able to coach against SEC teams:

How many teams did Georgia beat in the regular season last year that finished with a winning record in the SEC?

Let's see....that number would be.... 1.

Is this a reflection on the quality of wins by Kirby Smart because he only beat 1 SEC team in the 2022 regular season that finished with a winning conference record?

Like Kirby, Stoops cannot control what teams do before or after he beats them. He can only beat the ones he plays.

How about the year before, 2021.
Hmmm..... looks like Georgia again beat exactly ..... 1 SEC team in the regular season that finished with a winning record.

With the SEC beating each other up each year, this may be the norm going forward.

This laziness by Pilgrim and others in the media to actually analyze stats like this is all too common.

 

[RonRajon]

I want to hire Jason from Louisville as head coach.

 

[bluecoon1]

Excellent post.

 

[CGblue]

Please stop it, you're spoiling our hissy fits.

 

[Girthang]

Jack Pilgrim's tweet is adding fuel to what is not a fire. Apparently he's too lazy to actually analyze the stats.

Statistics can say whatever you want without analysis.

A much more meaningful statistic that shows how good the SEC teams were that Stoops beat is how many teams would have finished .500 and above in SEC play if not for the loss to Kentucky.

The answer is 18 !

That's right, Stoops has 18 wins against SEC teams that otherwise would have finished at least .500 in SEC play if they could have beaten Kentucky.

There will be idiots that will deny this has meaning.

So....

Looking at the regular season, which is the only time Stoops has been able to coach against SEC teams:

How many teams did Georgia beat in the regular season last year that finished with a winning record in the SEC?

Let's see....that number would be.... 1.

Is this a reflection on the quality of wins by Kirby Smart because he only beat 1 SEC team in the 2022 regular season that finished with a winning conference record?

Like Kirby, Stoops cannot control what teams do before or after he beats them. He can only beat the ones he plays.

How about the year before, 2021.
Hmmm..... looks like Georgia again beat exactly ..... 1 SEC team in the regular season that finished with a winning record.

With the SEC beating each other up each year, this may be the norm going forward.

This laziness by Pilgrim and others in the media to actually analyze stats like this is all too common.

Others have said as much elsewhere. You're correct, too.

Don't give Pilgrim too much credit, though. Its probably that no one is reading his sht, so he's got to find a way to get numbers up. Yes, it's shitty and lazy journalism, but the LHL had Tipton doing that for years and it kept him employed.

Never expect a journo major to reason when there is a misleading stat or sound bite to hekp them make a dollar. You'll nearly always be disappointed

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

I want to hire Jason from Louisville as head coach.

I think he was upset about how we lost vs losing. If we didn't have a running clock, score would of been in the 70s,
Team played as they were frienghtened puppies giving huge cushions and Georgia just ran free all night.

 

[grevey35]

Jack Pilgrim's tweet is adding fuel to what is not a fire. Apparently he's too lazy to actually analyze the stats.

Statistics can say whatever you want without analysis.

A much more meaningful statistic that shows how good the SEC teams were that Stoops beat is how many teams would have finished .500 and above in SEC play if not for the loss to Kentucky.

The answer is 18 !

That's right, Stoops has 18 wins against SEC teams that otherwise would have finished at least .500 in SEC play if they could have beaten Kentucky.

There will be idiots that will deny this has meaning.

So....

Looking at the regular season, which is the only time Stoops has been able to coach against SEC teams:

How many teams did Georgia beat in the regular season last year that finished with a winning record in the SEC?

Let's see....that number would be.... 1.

Is this a reflection on the quality of wins by Kirby Smart because he only beat 1 SEC team in the 2022 regular season that finished with a winning conference record?

Like Kirby, Stoops cannot control what teams do before or after he beats them. He can only beat the ones he plays.

How about the year before, 2021.
Hmmm..... looks like Georgia again beat exactly ..... 1 SEC team in the regular season that finished with a winning record.

With the SEC beating each other up each year, this may be the norm going forward.

This laziness by Pilgrim and others in the media to actually analyze stats like this is all too common.

Probably more a matter of looking for a stat that could be presented in a way that represents the narrative the author wishes to push.

 

[The-Hack]

If we didn't have a running clock, score would of been in the 70s,

Running clock?

What are you talking about?

Kirby was throwing it all over the yard to pile up points, and got a lot, but there was no “running clock,” unless you’re talking about a high school game somewhere.

 

[Cat06]

Running clock?

What are you talking about?

Kirby was throwing it all over the yard to pile up points, and got a lot, but there was no “running clock,” unless you’re talking about a high school game somewhere.

Doesn't the clock run continuously now until the final two minutes of each half? It has compressed the number of plays, and allowed for a lot more commercials.

 

[CGblue]

Doesn't the clock run continuously now until the final two minutes of each half? It has compressed the number of plays, and allowed for a lot more commercials.

No.

 

[TCurtis75]

No.

Yes it does. It is a new rule. It isn't a total running clock but it no longer stops on first downs except in the final 2 minutes of each half. It has compressed the total number of plays and shortened the length of the games.

 

[CGblue]

The clock still stops on incomplete passes, out of bounds, penalties, first down measurements.. It's far from a continuous clock which is what I was responding to.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

Stats can be twisted every which way. That's a good point about UGA and you can only play the schedule in front of you.

Stoop has done well here. He has made it where a potential third 9 win regular season in 6 seasons is blah to some of our fanbase.

 

[bthaunert]

Stats can be twisted every which way. That's a good point about UGA and you can only play the schedule in front of you.

Stoop has done well here. He has made it where a potential third 9 win regular season in 6 seasons is blah to some of our fanbase.

Agree. The fact we are 5-1, ranked in the top 25 for the second week in a row and have a good shot at winning this weekend to go into the bye week 6-1 and people are unhappy speaks volumes to the steps this program has taken. The big question is can he take the next step to be a consistent top 25 team.

 

[UKAlum88]

Stats can be twisted every which way. That's a good point about UGA and you can only play the schedule in front of you.

Stoop has done well here. He has made it where a potential third 9 win regular season in 6 seasons is blah to some of our fanbase.

Stoops has done SOME things well here. I can’t speak for all but being satisfied with a 9 win season every other year isn’t advancing our program in an upward trajectory. Maybe an even one but over a decade here and we still haven’t even got all our gear together to even attempt the climb of Mount Everest. I’m not sure we even have hiking boots or a backpack yet.

 

[KYCAT78]

Jack Pilgrim's tweet is adding fuel to what is not a fire. Apparently he's too lazy to actually analyze the stats.

Statistics can say whatever you want without analysis.

A much more meaningful statistic that shows how good the SEC teams were that Stoops beat is how many teams would have finished .500 and above in SEC play if not for the loss to Kentucky.

The answer is 18 !

That's right, Stoops has 18 wins against SEC teams that otherwise would have finished at least .500 in SEC play if they could have beaten Kentucky.

There will be idiots that will deny this has meaning.

So....

Looking at the regular season, which is the only time Stoops has been able to coach against SEC teams:

How many teams did Georgia beat in the regular season last year that finished with a winning record in the SEC?

Let's see....that number would be.... 1.

Is this a reflection on the quality of wins by Kirby Smart because he only beat 1 SEC team in the 2022 regular season that finished with a winning conference record?

Like Kirby, Stoops cannot control what teams do before or after he beats them. He can only beat the ones he plays.

How about the year before, 2021.
Hmmm..... looks like Georgia again beat exactly ..... 1 SEC team in the regular season that finished with a winning record.

With the SEC beating each other up each year, this may be the norm going forward.

This laziness by Pilgrim and others in the media to actually analyze stats like this is all too common.

I went to UK 74-78 which were some of UK's best football under Curci. We had moments under Clayborne and Brooks but bottom line Stoops has been our best overall Coach since Bryant. Think of all the years we were not even competitive and a embarrassment to be a UK football fan. At least under Stoops we have a chance to win against 80% of our SEC opponents.

Against GA. we were outmatched against the top to bottom talent they had. We also caught them at home coming off a terrible game at Auburn. You add that to the stupid ass mistakes and dumb ass penalties we had and the product was a beat down. I think if we played them again the game would be closer, but, we would still lose.

 

[vhcat70]

^The biggest issue wasn't the talent gap. It was lack of preparation & mental attitude. And that's on Stoops.

 

[TCurtis75]

The clock still stops on incomplete passes, out of bounds, penalties, first down measurements.. It's far from a continuous clock which is what I was responding to.

Do you consider NFL to be a running clock? Most people say it is. College has adapted to their rules with the exception of last 2 minutes of each half. You are trying to argue semantics instead of the overall point of that original post.

 

[CGblue]

"If we didn't have a running clock, score would of been in the 70s"

I don't mean to argue semantics, I just do not agree with this statement.

 

[TCurtis75]

Stoops has done SOME things well here. I can’t speak for all but being satisfied with a 9 win season every other year isn’t advancing our program in an upward trajectory. Maybe an even one but over a decade here and we still haven’t even got all our gear together to even attempt the climb of Mount Everest. I’m not sure we even have hiking boots or a backpack yet.

You can say the Stoops should be getting better results but to say he isn't (or hasn't) advanced the program in an upward trajectory is patently false. He has changed the perception on what is a disappointing season is for UK. Before Stoops, fans were hopeful to even make a bowl game. Under Stoops, that is now the expectation. That is upward trajectory. Before Stoops, fans were happy to even be considered by a 4 star recruit and ecstatic when we signed one every few years. It wasn't that long ago that MAC schools were beating us for recruits. Under Stoops, we go head to head with the Michigans, OSUs, Clemsons, etc for recruits and we get them. That is upward trajectory.

You can argue that Stoops has taken us on that upward trajectory as far as he can. I disagree with you but you can make that argument. However, to say we don't have boots or backpack yet is just wrong. We have been competitive in games we wouldn't have been in years past. We have won games that in years before Stoops we don't win. You may want to be further along in the climb but Stoops has us working the climb up that mountain and that is all you really can ask for.

 

[TCurtis75]

"If we didn't have a running clock, score would of been in the 70s"

I don't mean to argue semantics, I just do not agree with this statement.

It's a valid statement to say that the new clock rules prevented additional possessions by GA. We had shown nothing in the way of stopping them all game. I don't think that statement is farfetched at all. I don't think Kirby would have run up the score intentionally but they easily could have scored more with the addtional possessions lost due to the new clock rules.

 

[kritikalcat]

Here is another way to look at it, and I only ran this for 2022 but I'll bet it holds true generally.
In 2022 there were 14 SEC teams, only 4 had records over .500 in conference: Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Tennessee. Since Georgia was 9-0 against SEC teams, there were no wins against them. The other 3 had a total of 7 losses in Conference between them. That's out of over 112 conference games (14 x 8 plus some bowl games between conference teams). So 95% of all conference wins are against teams that finish under .500 in conference.
2022 SEC teams with wins against SEC opponents that finished over .500 against SEC opponents:
Georgia 2, Tennessee 2, LSU 1, South Carolina 1, Texas A&M 1
So only 4 of 14 teams met this standard and only two had more than 1 win, and one of Georgia's was against LSU in post season. If we remove that, it leaves 6 wins that could be counted in this statistic.

If this holds true every year, and I imagine it's pretty close, over the 9 years being looked at, you would expect less than 4 wins (3.85) that qualify. So 2 isn't great but it's not as terrible as the people promoting this statistic as an indictment of Stoops make it out to be. It's also likely that the elite teams, the ones regularly winning 6-8 conference games monopolize most of these wins. In 2022 we see that 3 of the 4 teams > .500 had 5 of the 7 wins.

Bottom line, 2 wins meeting this criteria is about what you'd expect from a team with UK's conference record over this period. It is not good indicator that UK/Stoops are either overrated or underperforming

[edit] I went ahead and looked back to 2014 and I need to review my math but I found an average of 5 teams per year with > .500 record in conference and 9 losses per year. So things over the period have been more competitive than I guessed.

 

[UKAlum88]

You can say the Stoops should be getting better results but to say he isn't (or hasn't) advanced the program in an upward trajectory is patently false. He has changed the perception on what is a disappointing season is for UK. Before Stoops, fans were hopeful to even make a bowl game. Under Stoops, that is now the expectation. That is upward trajectory. Before Stoops, fans were happy to even be considered by a 4 star recruit and ecstatic when we signed one every few years. It wasn't that long ago that MAC schools were beating us for recruits. Under Stoops, we go head to head with the Michigans, OSUs, Clemsons, etc for recruits and we get them. That is upward trajectory.

You can argue that Stoops has taken us on that upward trajectory as far as he can. I disagree with you but you can make that argument. However, to say we don't have boots or backpack yet is just wrong. We have been competitive in games we wouldn't have been in years past. We have won games that in years before Stoops we don't win. You may want to be further along in the climb but Stoops has us working the climb up that mountain and that is all you really can ask for.

I wasn’t meaning he didn’t take us on an upward trajectory, he definitely did, but we have hit a plain. A plain with no hills in sight to get us to the level we deserve and need to be on.

We were in Death Valley when Stoops arrived. He got us to the base of Mount Everest but now we need someone that’s equipped with skills to start that climb. It’s a different kind of climb that requires a different kind of skills.

 

[CGblue]

It's a valid statement to say that the new clock rules prevented additional possessions by GA. We had shown nothing in the way of stopping them all game. I don't think that statement is farfetched at all. I don't think Kirby would have run up the score intentionally but they easily could have scored more with the addtional possessions lost due to the new clock rules.

The rule change hasn't been that dramatic. UGA scored a late TD to make it 52-13, bad enough yes, but to say the rule change kept them out of the 70s is completely far-fetched and over the top.

 

[KATSROCK]

Please stop it, you're spoiling our hissy fits.

Ha Ha!

The complainers always hate when facts get in the way or their opinions.

 

[Cobb4uk]

Jack Pilgrim's tweet is adding fuel to what is not a fire. Apparently he's too lazy to actually analyze the stats.

Statistics can say whatever you want without analysis.

A much more meaningful statistic that shows how good the SEC teams were that Stoops beat is how many teams would have finished .500 and above in SEC play if not for the loss to Kentucky.

The answer is 18 !

That's right, Stoops has 18 wins against SEC teams that otherwise would have finished at least .500 in SEC play if they could have beaten Kentucky.

There will be idiots that will deny this has meaning.

So....

Looking at the regular season, which is the only time Stoops has been able to coach against SEC teams:

How many teams did Georgia beat in the regular season last year that finished with a winning record in the SEC?

Let's see....that number would be.... 1.

Is this a reflection on the quality of wins by Kirby Smart because he only beat 1 SEC team in the 2022 regular season that finished with a winning conference record?

Like Kirby, Stoops cannot control what teams do before or after he beats them. He can only beat the ones he plays.

How about the year before, 2021.
Hmmm..... looks like Georgia again beat exactly ..... 1 SEC team in the regular season that finished with a winning record.

With the SEC beating each other up each year, this may be the norm going forward.

This laziness by Pilgrim and others in the media to actually analyze stats like this is all too common

Many Kentucky fans today probably don't know who Jack Friday, on the Dragnet TV series, is or his statement "Just the facts". The facts don't fit the agenda of many fans or they're not educated enough about the intrancies of the game of football.

 

[grevey35]

Stoops has done SOME things well here. I can’t speak for all but being satisfied with a 9 win season every other year isn’t advancing our program in an upward trajectory. Maybe an even one but over a decade here and we still haven’t even got all our gear together to even attempt the climb of Mount Everest. I’m not sure we even have hiking boots or a backpack yet.

This so stupid it is astonishing. 9 wins every other year is not advancing the program? Our last 9 win season had been 1984. Besides that he has won 10 twice.

 

[bigbluedon]

I wasn’t meaning he didn’t take us on an upward trajectory, he definitely did, but we have hit a plain. A plain with no hills in sight to get us to the level we deserve and need to be on.

We were in Death Valley when Stoops arrived. He got us to the base of Mount Everest but now we need someone that’s equipped with skills to start that climb. It’s a different kind of climb that requires a different kind of skills.

Totally agree

 

[UKAlum88]

This so stupid it is astonishing. 9 wins every other year is not advancing the program? Our last 9 win season had been 1984.

Rich Brooks made 800k in 2006 to coach UK. Stoops is paid 10mil to coach in 2023. Time for better results than one win better than Rich Brooks considering we were 8-5 a couple different years under Brooks.

 

[CrustyCat]

Agree. The fact we are 5-1, ranked in the top 25 for the second week in a row and have a good shot at winning this weekend to go into the bye week 6-1 and people are unhappy speaks volumes to the steps this program has taken. The big question is can he take the next step to be a consistent top 25 team.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but losing 51-13 is bad enough on its own to kind of seriously diminish the wins before that. To me, it's not one of those "throw it out as an outlier" kind of results. It should be a pretty big red flag regarding how well this program is set up to "compete" with the SEC elite on a regular basis. I presume that is the standard, based on what I want and what I've heard from Stoops. To clarify, I'm not calling for Stoops' head when I say this.

 

[JPFisher]

This so stupid it is astonishing. 9 wins every other year is not advancing the program? Our last 9 win season had been 1984.

Just a troll. No rational fan wants us to get rid of Stoops as rabidly as this closeted bird (or other rival) turd. Put em on ignore and enjoy the board.

Honestly, in a way, it's a clever psyop – foment discontent amongst fans so the call to get rid of Stoops grows.

 

[entropy13]

Just a troll. No rational fan wants us to get rid of Stoops as rabidly as this closeted bird (or other rival) turd. Put em on ignore and enjoy the board.

Honestly, in a way, it's a clever psyop – foment discontent amongst fans so the call to get rid of Stoops grows.

Whether a troll is just legitimately stupid (or both), best to put him on ignore to filter out the noise.

 

[grevey35]

Rich Brooks made 800k in 2006 to coach UK. Stoops is paid 10mil to coach in 2023. Time for better results than one win better than Rich Brooks considering we were 8-5 a couple different years under Brooks.

We've won 10 twice under Stoops. Do you even pay attention when things are going well? 10-3 is only one win better than 8-5? How can you make such a ridiculous mistake unless it was intentional?

 

[UKAlum88]

We've won 10 twice under Stoops. Do you even pay attention when things are going well? 10-3 is only one win better than 8-5? How can you make such a ridiculous mistake unless it was intentional?

My 8-5 comment was directed toward your 9 win comment. You know that but choose to twist things into something they’re not. 9 mil more a year for 2 more wins? Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

 

[JPFisher]

Whether a troll is just legitimately stupid (or both), best to put him on ignore to filter out the noise.

Most threads are full of content that I only see once I "show ignored content." It's glorious.

 

[UKAlum88]

We've won 10 twice under Stoops. Do you even pay attention when things are going well? 10-3 is only one win better than 8-5? How can you make such a ridiculous mistake unless it was intentional?

Also, you act like being 10-3 is something to celebrate. It’s not, if you are paying for top 10 material to be put on the field.

 

[The-Hack]

Honestly, in a way, it's a clever psyop – foment discontent amongst fans so the call to get rid of Stoops grows.

Yeah, if they are that weak-minded, as to actually believe such obvious posers would create dissent!!

This is a normal occurrence. Sure, there will be some posters bitchin’ if we win a
conference title, if we don’t make the point spread, but these tweety birds show up with obvious fake accounts every year to entertain us with their non-sense.

But I like ping-ponging their nonsense!!

(And you are quite adept at it too!!)

 

[The-Hack]

We've won 10 twice under Stoops.

Good catch!!

Lol.

Our most passionate fans are not very likely to forget our record, from 2021 (or 2018), . . . .

The flyby posers forget to check
their facts!!

 

[TCurtis75]

Also, you act like being 10-3 is something to celebrate. It’s not, if you are paying for top 10 material to be put on the field.

Of course it is something to be celebrated. UK has won 10 games only 4 times in its history. 2 of those have been under Stoops in the last 5 years. We are paying what is required for UK to have success the likes of which it has rarely seen in its history and never for this long of a sustained period of time. We are paying for the best material of all time to be put on the field with regards to UK football standards. I don't know why you fail to acknowledge and grasp that concept.

You want UK to be Alabama or Georgia. We aren't ever going to be those programs no matter how much you want it. You say we haven't reached the summit of Mt. Everest yet. We haven't reached the summit of what Mt. Everest is to Bama or Georgia. However, it is quite possible (probable even) that we have reached the summit of the UK Mt. Everest. It's ok to realize that we won't ever replace those programs or experience the success they have historically had much like they realize they aren't UK basketball. It's ok for fans of a UK program who has historically been awful except for a few years to accept that we have reached our pinnacle where we are consistently winning 9 to 10 games and are competitive with the powerhouses. We will compete for an occasional SEC East title and possibly the 12 team playoff. There will be seasons where we may win 11 games. There will be seasons where we may only win 7 or 8. Being 10 - 3 at UK is most definitely something to be celebrated.

 

[UKAlum88]

Of course it is something to be celebrated. UK has won 10 games only 4 times in its history. 2 of those have been under Stoops in the last 5 years. We are paying what is required for UK to have success the likes of which it has rarely seen in its history and never for this long of a sustained period of time. We are paying for the best material of all time to be put on the field with regards to UK football standards. I don't know why you fail to acknowledge and grasp that concept.

You want UK to be Alabama or Georgia. We aren't ever going to be those programs no matter how much you want it. You say we haven't reached the summit of Mt. Everest yet. We haven't reached the summit of what Mt. Everest is to Bama or Georgia. However, it is quite possible (probable even) that we have reached the summit of the UK Mt. Everest. It's ok to realize that we won't ever replace those programs or experience the success they have historically had much like they realize they aren't UK basketball. It's ok for fans of a UK program who has historically been awful except for a few years to accept that we have reached our pinnacle where we are consistently winning 9 to 10 games and are competitive with the powerhouses. We will compete for an occasional SEC East title and possibly the 12 team playoff. There will be seasons where we may win 11 games. There will be seasons where we may only win 7 or 8. Being 10 - 3 at UK is most definitely something to be celebrated.

What’s keeping UK from taking the next step??? Why can’t UK become a football powerhouse. The money is there. Why let a coach limit what we can do or how far we can go?? Why not shoot for 11-12 wins seasons???