Much like the Buybull, this is another example how you struggle to comprehend the words you read...
"perfect order of life".
Would you like another attempt to explain the meaning behind the words..."PERFECT order of life"?
POLL: Is there a God ??
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"perfect order of life".
Would you like another attempt to explain the meaning behind the words..."PERFECT order of life"?
LOL - you inadvertently helped a design argument and now you are blaming me. 😂
Wrong, I intentionally asked you the meaning behind the words "perfect order of life". And you responded with expected poor attempt of deflection once again......
This is why we can't have a proper discussion......
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No. You did not ask me anything. But, you did say “Life as I observe seems random and chaotic.” The universe is chaotic, random, and tends toward decay, rather than order. We agree.
So, explaining an exception to that agreed environment, life, is important. It’s a real problem with abiogenesis. So, I am glad you recognized it.
False.
I thought you put me on ignore, guess that was another lie......
I think this may be an inside “cheat” for you, so I am not sure if I am supposed to reveal it, but, at the risk of getting in trouble, if you put someone on “ignore,” you can see their posts when if you press the “Show ignore content” push at the bottom of the thread. 😱
Another example of just how disingenuous you really are.
I don't know possibly an intelligent response, Congratulations, you've exposed me as a fool.
Absolutely without a doubt, God exists. Otherwise, I would not be here typing this. I could testify for hours on things that have no explanation but it being God.
The human body is the most advanced machine the earth will ever see but yet they will tell you it had no designer.
The human body is the most advanced machine the earth will ever see but yet they will tell you it had no designer.
It had no designer. We're no more special than any other animal in a sense. Some animals are far stronger, some can see in different forms of light, some can hear and smell far better than us, some live far longer than humans, there are those that can fly and those that can live at the bottom of the ocean.
You have one life and that's it. When you die, nothing happens afterwards. You don't remember from before you were born, it'll be like that.
So if I stick a piece of my skin in a female, release a special liquid, it goes into her body, fertilizing an egg, and a human body forms inside that female, 9 months later a fully developed human comes out of an opening between her legs. All made possible by a few rocks colliding together????
WildcatfaninOhio
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We've got time. Let's hear your hours of things that can only be attributed an invisible, supernatural entity. You can even break it up and give us, like, five minutes worth every day for at least the next twenty four days.
Looking forward to reviewing the list.
I’m just not sure why you care so much what others believe.
Have you ever gotten into a long form debate like this with Mormons?
I mean, now that’s a religion you can make fun of for the most part.
But seriously, why do you care what others believe and why do you seem so hostile and angry that others believe when you don’t?
Feel like you could use some Jesus in your life to make you lees angry, more happy and not so involved in things that affect you zero.
Why would I take my time to explain something to someone that isn’t going to take anything I say seriously? You have made up your mind and I have made up mine. You think the human body and planet earth is a giant coincidence and I think it has a designer. Science tells us nothing perfect comes from an accident.
The logic atheist use is basically saying Ferrari’s are created magically from car wrecks.
Let me give you a touch of advice. If you or anyone uses terms like Buybull, Tarholes, Loserville, Puke, etc, most adults, not on Rafters, will think, but not say, that you have the brain and mentality of a teenager or child.
You’re easily entertained by things a dullard or dolt would laugh at and you probably don’t contribute much in actual conversations in the real world.
But if you get a giggle out of it every time and think everyone is like DAAAAAAAMN HE BURNED HIM!!!!!, well, you just keep on being 14, bubba.
WildcatfaninOhio
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I care because believing in magic is not good for one's mental health. Seek real answers instead of accepting ancient myths as answers. I care because people that believe in magic hold public office and try to force their beliefs on me. I care because people that believe in magic kill others that believe in a different type of magic. I care because I wish people would come to grips with living in the 21st century, and turn away from things that supposedly happened in the 1st.
I haven't seen any mormons post in this thread yet. We're 65 pages in, and only xians so far. As soon as a mormon checks in, I'll ask them tough questions too.
I'm about as happy a person as you'd ever meet. I'm not angry at all. I think you may perceive me as being angry and hostile because I'm confronting your deeply held beliefs. If you were to question or challenge your own beliefs it could fundamentally change who you are, and who you've been your whole life. And that's frightening, as well as threatening. You can question me and challenge me and I don't feel threatened at all.
Edit - I find it fascinating that you could point out the Mormonism is a religion one can make fun of. Yet, you don’t like it when others make fun of your religion.
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WildcatfaninOhio
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Atheists accept the fact that Ferraris are manufactured by humans in Maranello, Italy. Nothing magical or mystical about cars.
In this thread or another that contained the same sort of attacks, I asked the atheists something akin to how they would explain events that are currently unexplainable or do they believe such things exist. This is not a question about a belief in any kind of god, but rather a sincere question about the inexplainable.
For example, a man has a clear vision of something and months later that very thing happens. Or, the stories of doctors not being able to explain how someone, as example, had cancer and then no longer does. And, there are others that some would call miracles or supernatural.
Do the “anti-theists” here, to appease the semantically sensitive @Catemus, believe such things when told and, if so, how do they choose to explain such things?
In anticipation of a possibly sincere response, it is not enough to say that you don’t know, but you believe that each event is ultimately explainable by science without acknowledging that your response is one of faith.
If I take a deck of cards, and pull out 10 cards one by one, the probability of that exact sequence occurring was 1 in a gazillion -- yet it just happened. Was it a miracle -- the works of a designer or designers?
You are triggered..... (possibly) by someone with the mentality of a teenager or child....
What does that say about you?
For the record, I get a giggle out of grown men believing in BUYBULL fairytales, and praying for an invisible sky daddy dictator to save them from a hell that daddy dictator created. Child like behavior seems the level to which you operate. So who's really acting the child here?
How can you expect "real world" conversation, when your position is not bound by "reality?
This is not a good challenge because your random deck of cards pulled in sequence doesn't confer any functionality.
In other words, there's no critical sequence necessary for it to be what it is such that it loses any and all significance if broken. You are just saying improbable things are destined to happen, which says nothing about the miracle of life and is not something biologists can properly answer. They simply make an assumption; they assume aprioristically that it must have happened on accident.
All atheist "arguments" are indeed of this quality, i.e, they ultimately and in all actuality say nothing and are meaningless objections.
If life via evolution or any other mechanism was improbable, then the deck of cards applies similarly. We are looking in hindsight and saying "Wow -- so improbable". From that point, there is no logic to then conclude a designer, a set of designers, a purple dragon, or something beyond our comprehension exists or doesn't exist to justify said improbable event.
It doesn't apply and is most assuredly a poorly reasoned objection.
If you are going to pick 10 cards, you have to get 10 cards. Whatever squence is just distinquishable from other sequences by kind, not functionality.
That is not what you are saying when you assert matter randomly organized itself to produce life. You are making an after the fact necessary and prior assumption that it must produce life. If any sequence just produced different life, then it would make "sense." Sort of.
Let me make this more concrete for you. If you take evolution as a basis for life, then life was simply an improbable event. Functionality has nothing to do with it -- in the sense that at a high level we are simply comparing 2 improbable events in hindsight.
Christians want to control what a woman does with her body, control who people can marry, in Tennessee, some lawmakers want to introduce a bill to bring back intelligent design into the classroom, etc. They're out in full force trying to make others bend the knee to the will of their twisted world view. It's gross
The sequence for the most simple life form is more complex than propelling a deck of cards and having them land in order. Chance is crazy!!!
I believe in some kind of higher power, but just because there could be a higher power does not mean it is the God of the Bible. I do want to believe in an afterlife.
You mean the human body that is....
Dependent on food, water, and oxygen. Dependent on others for survival at young/old age.
Subject to disease, climate, and countless other ways to die.
Not to mention, easily impressionable minds, incapable of critical thinking. (Example).... the ignorance to suggest "earth will never see a more advanced machine". How can you possibly know this as fact?
Sounds as if this designer you suggest, has many flaws.
WildcatfaninOhio
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If I had to pick a religion to follow, it would be Dudeism. Because, The Dude abides.
Take it easy, Dudes!
If I had to pick a religion to follow, it would be Dudeism. Because, The Dude abides.
Take it easy, Dudes!
I jumped ahead eight pages from Jan 3 to today. Just skimming through, the same posters are repeating the same talking points. I’m a professed Catholic with faith in God, Son, and Holy Spirit. I am not deterred or dissuaded by what the non-believers / skeptics / atheists have to say on the subject. OTOH, I have no realistic expectation of changing anyone’s beliefs on this thread topic.
Someone once won a lottery twice -- the probability of this occurring was apparently 1 in 20 trillion. While this is still considerably better odds than life occurring -- the point remains --looking at improbable events in hindsight and concluding a designer is a leap.
Let's say I'm starting with a blank slate and I have 2 hypothesis in front of me - 1) life/consciousness evolved or 2) a designer was responsible. If I believe the first scenario was very improbable -- so what -- it doesn't prove or disprove either hypothesis, and certainly isn't evidence for #2 hypothesis.
Let's say I'm starting with a blank slate and I have 2 hypothesis in front of me - 1) life/consciousness evolved or 2) a designer was responsible. If I believe the first scenario was very improbable -- so what -- it doesn't prove or disprove either hypothesis, and certainly isn't evidence for #2 hypothesis.
That is an unwarranted over-simplification, as I explained to you.
But this does not conclude a designer, just a data point; one of many where the preponderance of evidence suggests intelligence, a Creator. Furthermore, your (poorly reasoned) argument says nothing against one.
I am glad to see that you are at least admitting here that your "1 in a gazillion" deck of cards improbability is nothing compared to the improbability of life.
Which is something we can't really say anything about. We know it happened once; that's it, an argument which is then further riddled and overburdened with assumptions that say nothing against God.
Only because your interpretation of life is not as an "event" -- your argument is a function of your mind and interpretation, and hence is the one that is poorly reasoned.
You can better prove a hypothesis by trying to disproving it -- there is plenty of doubt presented in this thread as to existence of a creator, much less the Biblical creator.
No, your argument, such that it can even be called one, relies on the event being of equal probability as others.
It is not.
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