Plane Crash In France

[funKYcat75]

"He also reportedly had a "serious relationship crisis" with his girlfriend before the crash."

#BBC

 

[wkycatfan]

Lawsuit.

 

[Deeeefense]

Originally posted by dgtatu01:

Originally posted by UK ALUM10:

1 in 3.7 million
Chance that you will be killed by a shark.
1 in 11 million
Chance that you will be killed in an airplane crash.
1 in 5,000
Odds that you will be killed in a car crash. "You're much more likely to die getting to the airport than you are flying in the plane,

Your inferring that each time you drive a car your more likely to die than each time you fly a plane. That may be true, but these stats above are chances in a lifetime. The chances of death per trip is much higher for a plane and much lower for an automobile.

 

[Deeeefense]

I can't believe any major airline would allow a 27 year old pilot with 600 hours to be alone in the left seat of an A-320. That's gross negligence IMO. The CEO of Lufthansa sounded very arrogant defending their company policy. The pool of wannabe airline pilots is full of 1000 hour plus guys with great safety records and no personal issues. I have a feeling when they dig deeper they'll find that this kid was pulled up by someone at Lufthansa with some horsepower.

This is a real ugly mark on what has always been a very reputable airline.

 

[Conn501]

Originally posted by Deeeefense:
I can't believe any major airline would allow a 27 year old pilot with 600 hours to be alone in the left seat of an A-320. That's gross negligence IMO. The CEO of Lufthansa sounded very arrogant defending their company policy. The pool of wannabe airline pilots is full of 1000 hour plus guys with great safety records and no personal issues. I have a feeling when they dig deeper they'll find that this kid was pulled up by someone at Lufthansa with some horsepower.

This is a real ugly mark on what has always been a very reputable airline.

This past makes me laugh. It wasnt a decade ago you had a very high chance of getting on a plane with a sub 1000 hour FO. This guy was sitting in the right seat, not the left. Also, the pool of 1000 hour plus guys with the required ratings is very very small. There is an international pilot shortage, and its on the brink of being massive. The barriers to entry make it very difficult to get in to the profession. Very few have the money required.

 

[Conn501]

Also, if a 600 hour 27 year old in a 320 scares you, dont ever fly on the majority of foreign carriers. Its common to put a 300 hour kid with a wet commercial cert in the right seat of an A340, 777, etc. Asian airlines in particular.

 

[Deeeefense]

Originally posted by Conn501:

Originally posted by Deeeefense:
I can't believe any major airline would allow a 27 year old pilot with 600 hours to be alone in the left seat of an A-320. That's gross negligence IMO. The CEO of Lufthansa sounded very arrogant defending their company policy. The pool of wannabe airline pilots is full of 1000 hour plus guys with great safety records and no personal issues. I have a feeling when they dig deeper they'll find that this kid was pulled up by someone at Lufthansa with some horsepower.

This is a real ugly mark on what has always been a very reputable airline.

This past makes me laugh. It wasnt a decade ago you had a very high chance of getting on a plane with a sub 1000 hour FO. This guy was sitting in the right seat, not the left. Also, the pool of 1000 hour plus guys with the required ratings is very very small. There is an international pilot shortage, and its on the brink of being massive. The barriers to entry make it very difficult to get in to the profession. Very few have the money required.

Just to clarify, what I meant was when the PIC got up to go to the head he slipped into the left seat by himself.

Not saying your wrong about the asian pilots but I find it incrediable that someone with 300 hours would be flying with any major carrier, good grief I accumulated more hours then that flying C-172s & Cherokees around for a few years.

What about all those region pilots working for minimum wage trying to build their hours up? You can accumulate 1000 hours+ in a very short period of time flying 100 hours plus a month.

Maybe the European and Asian markets are different.


This post was edited on 3/27 4:17 PM by Deeeefense

 

[Conn501]

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by Conn501:

Originally posted by Deeeefense:
I can't believe any major airline would allow a 27 year old pilot with 600 hours to be alone in the left seat of an A-320. That's gross negligence IMO. The CEO of Lufthansa sounded very arrogant defending their company policy. The pool of wannabe airline pilots is full of 1000 hour plus guys with great safety records and no personal issues. I have a feeling when they dig deeper they'll find that this kid was pulled up by someone at Lufthansa with some horsepower.

This is a real ugly mark on what has always been a very reputable airline.

This past makes me laugh. It wasnt a decade ago you had a very high chance of getting on a plane with a sub 1000 hour FO. This guy was sitting in the right seat, not the left. Also, the pool of 1000 hour plus guys with the required ratings is very very small. There is an international pilot shortage, and its on the brink of being massive. The barriers to entry make it very difficult to get in to the profession. Very few have the money required.

Just to clarify, what I meant was when the PIC got up to go to the head he slipped into the left seat by himself.

Not saying your wrong about the asian pilots but I find it incrediable that someone with 300 hours would be flying with any major carrier, good grief I accumulated more hours then that flying C-172s & Cherokees around for a few years.

What about all those region pilots working for minimum wage trying to build their hours up? You can accumulate 1000 hours+ in a very short period of time flying 100 hours plus a month.

Maybe the European and Asian markets are different.


This post was edited on 3/27 4:17 PM by Deeeefense

I hadnt read that he sat in the left seat. In reality it makes no difference whatsoever. You can manipulate the controls from either seat all the same. Half of all flights are being flown by the FO at any given time. You are right there are thousands of regional pilots anxious to move up that are overly qualified.....in the USA. Other contries do things very differently. Im not overly familiar with germany, but from what I gather this airline is an LCC and would be considered a stepping stone to Lufthansa. So it may be the equivalent of a US regional airline. Doesnt matter if its an A320 or a regional jet. Foreign markets are completely different than the US market. I trained many students who got their commercial in a light twin in the US, then went home to China or Japan to train on a 777 etc. That was quite a few years ago, and its only gotten worse. US flight schools are only in business to train foreign pilots so they can go back home and fly. Training domestic pilots has slowed to less than a crawl.

 

[IdaCat]

Originally posted by Dennis Reynolds:
Surely they can allow the door to be unlocked remotely from the ground control or the airline if there is a proper procedure. Or give the captains their own code that can't be over-ridden.

Tragedy.

If a nut can't sabotage the communications system that opens the door by ground control and if the pilot is brave enough to die instead of using the code or remote system to open the door for a terrorist, this might work.

I like the idea of having an attendant sit inside by the door when a pilot leaves. However, I don't know the cockpit re-entry procedure for a pilot who leaves the cockpit. It seems they could be threatened to allow a terrorist in.

 

[Willy4UK]

Originally posted by IdaCat:

If a nut can't sabotage the communications system that opens the door by ground control and if the pilot is brave enough to die instead of using the code or remote system to open the door for a terrorist, this might work.

I like the idea of having an attendant sit inside by the door when a pilot leaves. However, I don't know the cockpit re-entry procedure for a pilot who leaves the cockpit. It seems they could be threatened to allow a terrorist in.

Ida, what if the attendant is in on it too?

 

[IdaCat]

Yeah Willy, it seems it isn't a simple problem to solve. I'm just a message board dumbass who doesn't know all the facts and is trying to increase post count on this one. I hope the airlines are more knowledgeable, but I'm not sure they are. There's probably not a 100% effective solution. Buy a ticket and take your chances I guess.



This post was edited on 3/27 7:17 PM by IdaCat

 

[Willy4UK]

Originally posted by IdaCat:
Yeah Willy, it seems it isn't a simple problem to solve. I'm just a message board dumbass who doesn't know all the facts and is trying to increase post count on this one. I hope the airlines are more knowledgeable, but I'm not sure they are. There's probably not a 100% effective solution. Buy a ticket and take your chances I guess.




This post was edited on 3/27 7:17 PM by IdaCat

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Originally posted by Conn501:

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by Conn501:

Originally posted by Deeeefense:
I can't believe any major airline would allow a 27 year old pilot with 600 hours to be alone in the left seat of an A-320. That's gross negligence IMO. The CEO of Lufthansa sounded very arrogant defending their company policy. The pool of wannabe airline pilots is full of 1000 hour plus guys with great safety records and no personal issues. I have a feeling when they dig deeper they'll find that this kid was pulled up by someone at Lufthansa with some horsepower.

This is a real ugly mark on what has always been a very reputable airline.

This past makes me laugh. It wasnt a decade ago you had a very high chance of getting on a plane with a sub 1000 hour FO. This guy was sitting in the right seat, not the left. Also, the pool of 1000 hour plus guys with the required ratings is very very small. There is an international pilot shortage, and its on the brink of being massive. The barriers to entry make it very difficult to get in to the profession. Very few have the money required.

I hadnt read that he sat in the left seat. In reality it makes no difference whatsoever. You can manipulate the controls from either seat all the same. Half of all flights are being flown by the FO at any given time. You are right there are thousands of regional pilots anxious to move up that are overly qualified.....in the USA. Other contries do things very differently. Im not overly familiar with germany, but from what I gather this airline is an LCC and would be considered a stepping stone to Lufthansa. So it may be the equivalent of a US regional airline. Doesnt matter if its an A320 or a regional jet. Foreign markets are completely different than the US market. I trained many students who got their commercial in a light twin in the US, then went home to China or Japan to train on a 777 etc. That was quite a few years ago, and its only gotten worse. US flight schools are only in business to train foreign pilots so they can go back home and fly. Training domestic pilots has slowed to less than a crawl.

Yes, this wasn't Lufthansa proper, it was Germanwings, their Ryanair copy. So much more similar to a Comair Pilot vs Delta Pilot. Younger pilots, etc.

So now it turns out this shitstain was depressed? Boo touching hoo, go jump off a bridge, you worthless POS. Taking 150 people with you because you're lonely is maybe worse than a terrorist. At least those asshats have a (misguided) cause. You're just a POS.

One freaking blowjob from a FA might have stopped this.

 

[Big Blue 1977]

That's true of most tragedies.

 

[WayneDougan]

Apparently that bj needed to come from a male flight attendant. They say his nickname was "Tomato Andy", because while a "tomato calls itself a vegetable, it's really a fruit". I have to say, that's a very creative slur. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how the media takes off with the narrative that he was bullied which led to this.