They are now saying that the German Co-Pilot intentionly crashed the plane. Apparently, the pilot went to use the rest room and the co-pilot locked him out of the cockpit and crashed in into the mountain. Damn, there are some crazy people in this world.
Plane Crash In France
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Will there be a Muslim extremist connection?
Now you can't go on any flight without worrying about that? Wow what is going on in this world.
Now you can't go on any flight without worrying about that? Wow what is going on in this world.
Would there be anything worse than sitting there in the front of the plane watching the plane go down while the pilot is trying to break down the door?
The news said that there was silence on the recorder just prior to the crash in the cockpit.
My first thought also was there are some people out there who simply are sick.
So why is a plane safer than a car? Based on percentages only............
My first thought also was there are some people out there who simply are sick.
So why is a plane safer than a car? Based on percentages only............
Many airlines require a flight attendant to stay in the cockpit jumpseat if one of the pilots exits. If the remaining pilot tries anything, the flight attendant would be close enough to the door to open it before the pilot got out of their seat and turned behind them. A number of airline flight forums are predicting this will become mandatory on all airlines very soon.
Horrible, horrible story. Hope that dude burns in the deepest pits of hell for all eternity for murdering 150+ people. coulda ended his awful existence by himself in a million ways. I'm sure in the coming days investigators will find something in the guys internet/social media activity which provides some reason or motivation for the act.
Reports are on the tapes they can hear him calmly breathing up until the end. Oh, along with the other pilot trying to smash open the door and the screams of the passengers.
Every airline in the world I'm sure will now require 2 people in a cockpit at all times. Of course this wouldnt have stopped the disappeared Malaysian jet from last year, pretty sure the pilot cut the copilots throat before heading to the south Indian ocean.
With those 2 intentional crashes I've pretty much decided me & my family will not be getting on an airplane all together ever again. I've got to do it a couple times a year for business, and I'll still do that. but me & wife & kids to head to Disney or the beach? Nope, I'll haul us down in the minivan for that. And spare me your stats on deaths-on-the-road-vs-deaths-flying stats.
Reports are on the tapes they can hear him calmly breathing up until the end. Oh, along with the other pilot trying to smash open the door and the screams of the passengers.
Every airline in the world I'm sure will now require 2 people in a cockpit at all times. Of course this wouldnt have stopped the disappeared Malaysian jet from last year, pretty sure the pilot cut the copilots throat before heading to the south Indian ocean.
With those 2 intentional crashes I've pretty much decided me & my family will not be getting on an airplane all together ever again. I've got to do it a couple times a year for business, and I'll still do that. but me & wife & kids to head to Disney or the beach? Nope, I'll haul us down in the minivan for that. And spare me your stats on deaths-on-the-road-vs-deaths-flying stats.
Just thinking more on this...First we are happy the doors keep the terrorist out, now the terrorist might already be in the cockpit. My goodness this is another game changer.
What difference does it make if there is someone in there? If it is a pilot or co-pilot who wants to crash the plane has he not already thought about slicing the pilots or stewardess's neck?
Now what? Keypads with codes on the outside of the door for the crew? Even that is not full-proof because now the bad guy just grabs a stewardess and threatens her life if she doesn't punch in the code.
Some remote security controlled by the airline? Drone airlines?
Like I said, this is a game changer.
What difference does it make if there is someone in there? If it is a pilot or co-pilot who wants to crash the plane has he not already thought about slicing the pilots or stewardess's neck?
Now what? Keypads with codes on the outside of the door for the crew? Even that is not full-proof because now the bad guy just grabs a stewardess and threatens her life if she doesn't punch in the code.
Some remote security controlled by the airline? Drone airlines?
Like I said, this is a game changer.
1 in 3.7 million
Chance that you will be killed by a shark.
1 in 11 million
Chance that you will be killed in an airplane crash.
1 in 5,000
Odds that you will be killed in a car crash. "You're much more likely to die getting to the airport than you are flying in the plane,
Chance that you will be killed by a shark.
1 in 11 million
Chance that you will be killed in an airplane crash.
1 in 5,000
Odds that you will be killed in a car crash. "You're much more likely to die getting to the airport than you are flying in the plane,
I'm sorry, but there would be no watching. Once I saw a pilot banging on that door I'm just a little too curious to sit there wondering WTF is going on. I'd be next to him kicking hitting or whatever, grab the safety axe or something.Originally posted by WayneDougan:
Would there be anything worse than sitting there in the front of the plane watching the plane go down while the pilot is trying to break down the door?
Safety axe on an airplane?Originally posted by krazykats:
I'm sorry, but there would be no watching. Once I saw a pilot banging on that door I'm just a little too curious to sit there wondering WTF is going on. I'd be next to him kicking hitting or whatever, grab the safety axe or something.Originally posted by WayneDougan:
Would there be anything worse than sitting there in the front of the plane watching the plane go down while the pilot is trying to break down the door?
I think they keep the axes locked up with the guns, knives and bombs though.Originally posted by CatsFan4Evr.:
Safety axe on an airplane?Originally posted by krazykats:
I'm sorry, but there would be no watching. Once I saw a pilot banging on that door I'm just a little too curious to sit there wondering WTF is going on. I'd be next to him kicking hitting or whatever, grab the safety axe or something.Originally posted by WayneDougan:
Would there be anything worse than sitting there in the front of the plane watching the plane go down while the pilot is trying to break down the door?
I fly every week and have an overactive imagination, meaning I've thought about what I'd do to get in the cockpit if necessary. I've looked around in almost every aircraft I've been in; I cannot think of anything that you could use to open a cockpit door, especially if you realized you only have about a minute of time to spare.
I guess I would try to use the cart as a battering ram. And when the cart fell apart I'd try to use the pieces of it to pry open the door. Chances of that working? About .01%.
I guess I would try to use the cart as a battering ram. And when the cart fell apart I'd try to use the pieces of it to pry open the door. Chances of that working? About .01%.
Per published airplane safety/crash statistics, a person would have a 1 in 81 trillion chance of being on two commercial aircraft crashes on US domestic airlines either within and/or landing/taking off from a US airport. (There have been 12 US commercial airline crashes since 9/11, the most recent being the recent Delta runway overshoot at LaGuardia.)
To put that into perspective----81 trillion dollars stacked flat on top of each other would be roughly 6 million miles high, or, 24 TIMES the distance to the moon.
I've been on two of those 12 crashes, and a friend of mine died on another of the 12 crashes. In my opinion, there's no 'effin way their statistics are realistic, and I've done quite a bit of studying the past few years to tell me otherwise. Yes, it's safer than driving, but it isn't as safe as they make it out to be. (And I won't even mention the number of near misses that get little attention.)
I'm lOving the visual of krazykats banging on the cockpit door with all of the things that might be used for the purpose of breaking it down. Laptop case, beverage cart, barf bags, less than 3.5 oz of liquid. Any of those should do the trick ...
Horrible news. I can't imagine the saddness and anger that familes of the victims must have.
I know the stats show that flying is still safer than driving, but I'm not going to disrespect anyone for making the decision that they feel is best for them.
I know the stats show that flying is still safer than driving, but I'm not going to disrespect anyone for making the decision that they feel is best for them.
My son is in Germany and the Czech Republic this week. He is flying back Saturday. Will be interested in hearing the differences in airport security over the week.
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Yep, grasping for straws I know, but desperate times call for desperate measures. ANYTHING would be better than sitting there like a clueless coward.......and who knows I guess in the moment maybe I shrivel up but I feel like if that plane blew up Id be actively trying to save at least myself.
Surely they can allow the door to be unlocked remotely from the ground control or the airline if there is a proper procedure. Or give the captains their own code that can't be over-ridden.
Tragedy.
Tragedy.
That first one you were on doesn't count as a crash. As I recall, the moon roof opened up and you landed without incident. Quit your whining.
As for the stats, I quickly did some math. Let's see if it holds up.
Since 9/11 there have been 12 incidents. Let's say that's 100 per plane, so 1200 people affected.
There were ~600 million US domestic passengers in 2013. So assume that number is flat from 2001 to now. 14 years * 600M = 8.4Billion passengers. 1200 affected by plane crashes. That's 1,2000 / 8,400,000,000 or 1 in 7,000,000. That means the odds of being in a plane crash on a single specific ticket you purchased over 14 years was 1 in 7,000,000. The odds on being in two on specific tickets are 1 in 49,000,000,000,000 (meaning you bought only two tickets during that time).
However, knowing a little bit about you, you probably flew 2,000 times over those 14 years. So take 2,000 / 49,000,000,000,000. That equals 1 out of 24,500,000,000. That's not past the moon odds, but congrats on being in the 1 in 24 Billion!
In the United States and most other countries, 2 crewmembers are required to be in the cockpit at all times. This guy was not a trained terrorist and would have never been able to easily subdue another person up there. Based on his cowardly actions, id guess he wouldnt even be able to confront someone face to face. Having 2 crewmembers would have prevented this tragedy and I hope germany follows the rest of the world on that. There is no contigency when it comes to breaching the cockpit and there shouldnt be. This guy snapped and he happened to work at one of the very few airlines where he could pull this off. Very very sad for all the people and their families.
FYI---for anyone with a fear of flying, don't click on the attached link.
You picked up on a piece of the math I missed--which was the number of people on each flight, nice job. However, I probably flew more like a 1,000 flights during those years so double the number, but still huge difference between 81 trillion and 50 billion.
With regards to the 12 incidents and what's counted as an accident and what isn't, that's the big factor. Most sites I've seen in the past consider my hole in the plane as a "crash", but not all. However, there are a LOT of other incidents that--to me--are worse than the hole in the plane which weren't counted. And that's my beef with the claims of commercial airline safety. The attached website lists the daily incidents, accidents, crashes etc. Something happens virtually every day and the US is not immune.
It is amazing how few actual crashes---and even way fewer deaths--occur on an annual basis. But I don't think it's as safe as they make it out to be.
Airline Crashes
The problem with that is, I'm not flying the plane, but I am driving the car & I've never had a wreck in a car. I've also never fell 35,000 feet out of my Xterra.
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Your inferring that each time you drive a car your more likely to die than each time you fly a plane. That may be true, but these stats above are chances in a lifetime. The chances of death per trip is much higher for a plane and much lower for an automobile.
"Bild He also reportedly had a "serious relationship crisis" with his girlfriend before the crash.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/captain-of-germanwings-plane-tried-to-break-into-cockpit-with-axe-2015-3#ixzz3Vat7quJU"
WTF? And they let him fly?
They can service the planes to perfection and build in multiple layers of safety nets for equipment failures, but the person flying the plane has to be more carefully vetted. FWIW, the Captain of the flight I was on who flew the nose of the airplane into the ground was known within the pilot community for being difficult. Southwest has a "no-fly" preference list for First Officers to name 3 Captains they don't want to fly with---this pilot had the highest "no-fly" numbers of any in their entire organization. The NTSB accident report indicated that she was overbearing and took command of the airplane at a point significantly after that which is recognized as safe. (The co-pilot claimed she actually put her hand on top of his on the controls at around 300 feet.)
Pilots Didn't Want to Fly With Captain
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/captain-of-germanwings-plane-tried-to-break-into-cockpit-with-axe-2015-3#ixzz3Vat7quJU"
WTF? And they let him fly?
They can service the planes to perfection and build in multiple layers of safety nets for equipment failures, but the person flying the plane has to be more carefully vetted. FWIW, the Captain of the flight I was on who flew the nose of the airplane into the ground was known within the pilot community for being difficult. Southwest has a "no-fly" preference list for First Officers to name 3 Captains they don't want to fly with---this pilot had the highest "no-fly" numbers of any in their entire organization. The NTSB accident report indicated that she was overbearing and took command of the airplane at a point significantly after that which is recognized as safe. (The co-pilot claimed she actually put her hand on top of his on the controls at around 300 feet.)
Pilots Didn't Want to Fly With Captain
