PF for next year

[JonathanW]

We lose Carr. And probably lose Almonor, unless NCAA changes to a "5 in 5" eligibility rule. And our chances at any PF recruits don't look good. Thus we will probably need to add 2 PFs from the portal this summer. So here are the top potential transfer portal players, again assuming no change to 5 seasons in 5 years ruling (these stats are about a week old):

Bailey, 6'10-230 Davidson, 19.4, 6.7, 3.7a, 50% 3pt
Noel, 6'8-240 Wright St, 18.4, 7.5, 35% 3pt (37% career)
Banks, 6'8-210 Tulane, 17.9, 7.5, 36% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Rataj, 6'9-220, Oregon St, 17.3, 8.3, 2.5a, 37% 3pt, 2.8 stocks
Fleming, 6'9-240 St. Joe's, 16.1, 9.3, 41% 3pt, 3.1 stocks
Durkin (Soph), 6'7-220 Davidson, 15.9, 5.8, 2.2a, 45% 3pt, 1.4 stl
Williams, 6'6-225 Texas Tech, 15.6, 5.6, 4.7a, 36% 3pt (39% career), 1.7 stocks
Sydnor (Fr), 6'8-210 Manhattan, 15.0, 6.6, 39% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Pierre, 6'9-210 Belmont, 13.8, 6.8, 3.9a, 38% 3pt
Watts (Soph), 6'6-233 Wash St, 13.8, 7.9, 4.0a, 35% 3pt (40% last yr)
Evans, 6'8-215 Bryant, 13.5, 7.3, 2.6a, 37% 3pt
Erikstrup, 6'11-226 Wash St, 12.7, 4.6, 40% 3pt
Lawal, 6'8-215 Va Tech, 12.4, 6.5, 47% 3pt
Saunders, 6'8-225 UVA, 12.1, 5.4, 38% 3pt

(stocks = Stl + Blk)

If I had my choice, I would probably pick Fleming (if he has decent quickness to defend) and then one of the Sophs or Fr (so maybe Durkin) that could be around for more than 1 year.

 

[Wildcats1st]

Let’s see who makes an impact in the ncaa T

 

[mcwildcats04]

We lose Carr. And probably lose Almonor, unless NCAA changes to a "5 in 5" eligibility rule. And our chances at any PF recruits don't look good. Thus we will probably need to add 2 PFs from the portal this summer. So here are the top potential transfer portal players, again assuming no change to 5 seasons in 5 years ruling (these stats are about a week old):

Bailey, 6'10-230 Davidson, 19.4, 6.7, 3.7a, 50% 3pt
Noel, 6'8-240 Wright St, 18.4, 7.5, 35% 3pt (37% career)
Banks, 6'8-210 Tulane, 17.9, 7.5, 36% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Rataj, 6'9-220, Oregon St, 17.3, 8.3, 2.5a, 37% 3pt, 2.8 stocks
Fleming, 6'9-240 St. Joe's, 16.1, 9.3, 41% 3pt, 3.1 stocks
Durkin (Soph), 6'7-220 Davidson, 15.9, 5.8, 2.2a, 45% 3pt, 1.4 stl
Williams, 6'6-225 Texas Tech, 15.6, 5.6, 4.7a, 36% 3pt (39% career), 1.7 stocks
Sydnor (Fr), 6'8-210 Manhattan, 15.0, 6.6, 39% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Pierre, 6'9-210 Belmont, 13.8, 6.8, 3.9a, 38% 3pt
Watts (Soph), 6'6-233 Wash St, 13.8, 7.9, 4.0a, 35% 3pt (40% last yr)
Evans, 6'8-215 Bryant, 13.5, 7.3, 2.6a, 37% 3pt
Erikstrup, 6'11-226 Wash St, 12.7, 4.6, 40% 3pt
Lawal, 6'8-215 Va Tech, 12.4, 6.5, 47% 3pt
Saunders, 6'8-225 UVA, 12.1, 5.4, 38% 3pt

(stocks = Stl + Blk)

If I had my choice, I would probably pick Fleming (if he has decent quickness to defend) and then one of the Sophs or Fr (so maybe Durkin) that could be around for more than 1 year.

What's the story on Bailey? That 50% 3pt and 6'10 size looks pretty good at first glance.

 

[jeffky]

We lose Carr. And probably lose Almonor, unless NCAA changes to a "5 in 5" eligibility rule. And our chances at any PF recruits don't look good. Thus we will probably need to add 2 PFs from the portal this summer. So here are the top potential transfer portal players, again assuming no change to 5 seasons in 5 years ruling (these stats are about a week old):

Bailey, 6'10-230 Davidson, 19.4, 6.7, 3.7a, 50% 3pt
Noel, 6'8-240 Wright St, 18.4, 7.5, 35% 3pt (37% career)
Banks, 6'8-210 Tulane, 17.9, 7.5, 36% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Rataj, 6'9-220, Oregon St, 17.3, 8.3, 2.5a, 37% 3pt, 2.8 stocks
Fleming, 6'9-240 St. Joe's, 16.1, 9.3, 41% 3pt, 3.1 stocks
Durkin (Soph), 6'7-220 Davidson, 15.9, 5.8, 2.2a, 45% 3pt, 1.4 stl
Williams, 6'6-225 Texas Tech, 15.6, 5.6, 4.7a, 36% 3pt (39% career), 1.7 stocks
Sydnor (Fr), 6'8-210 Manhattan, 15.0, 6.6, 39% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Pierre, 6'9-210 Belmont, 13.8, 6.8, 3.9a, 38% 3pt
Watts (Soph), 6'6-233 Wash St, 13.8, 7.9, 4.0a, 35% 3pt (40% last yr)
Evans, 6'8-215 Bryant, 13.5, 7.3, 2.6a, 37% 3pt
Erikstrup, 6'11-226 Wash St, 12.7, 4.6, 40% 3pt
Lawal, 6'8-215 Va Tech, 12.4, 6.5, 47% 3pt
Saunders, 6'8-225 UVA, 12.1, 5.4, 38% 3pt

(stocks = Stl + Blk)

If I had my choice, I would probably pick Fleming (if he has decent quickness to defend) and then one of the Sophs or Fr (so maybe Durkin) that could be around for more than 1 year.

Stillwell Milwaukee

 

[Creed Bratton]

Can any of them guard a fence post?

 

[Bluesnky]

Yaxel Lendeborg was conference defensive player of the year in the AAC last season, shoots about 33% from the 3 with an overall very high effective field goal percentage. Also currently leads his conference in rebounds per game, which he also did last season. He also has 4.3 assists per game. 6’9”, 230 lbs.

 

[JonathanW]

What's the story on Bailey? That 50% 3pt and 6'10 size looks pretty good at first glance.

When I created that he only had attempted 16 (8-16), looks like he is now 13-24. But his prior 2 years he shot a combined 29%. So I think he would be a wait and see if he can keep that % up.

 

[JonathanW]

Stillwell Milwaukee

When I created this was limiting to guys making 35%+ of 3's. He was below that, but it looks like since then has gone 4-6, raising his % to 36%. So definitely another to keep our eye on.

 

[westerncat]

We lose Carr. And probably lose Almonor, unless NCAA changes to a "5 in 5" eligibility rule. And our chances at any PF recruits don't look good. Thus we will probably need to add 2 PFs from the portal this summer. So here are the top potential transfer portal players, again assuming no change to 5 seasons in 5 years ruling (these stats are about a week old):

Bailey, 6'10-230 Davidson, 19.4, 6.7, 3.7a, 50% 3pt
Noel, 6'8-240 Wright St, 18.4, 7.5, 35% 3pt (37% career)
Banks, 6'8-210 Tulane, 17.9, 7.5, 36% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Rataj, 6'9-220, Oregon St, 17.3, 8.3, 2.5a, 37% 3pt, 2.8 stocks
Fleming, 6'9-240 St. Joe's, 16.1, 9.3, 41% 3pt, 3.1 stocks
Durkin (Soph), 6'7-220 Davidson, 15.9, 5.8, 2.2a, 45% 3pt, 1.4 stl
Williams, 6'6-225 Texas Tech, 15.6, 5.6, 4.7a, 36% 3pt (39% career), 1.7 stocks
Sydnor (Fr), 6'8-210 Manhattan, 15.0, 6.6, 39% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Pierre, 6'9-210 Belmont, 13.8, 6.8, 3.9a, 38% 3pt
Watts (Soph), 6'6-233 Wash St, 13.8, 7.9, 4.0a, 35% 3pt (40% last yr)
Evans, 6'8-215 Bryant, 13.5, 7.3, 2.6a, 37% 3pt
Erikstrup, 6'11-226 Wash St, 12.7, 4.6, 40% 3pt
Lawal, 6'8-215 Va Tech, 12.4, 6.5, 47% 3pt
Saunders, 6'8-225 UVA, 12.1, 5.4, 38% 3pt

(stocks = Stl + Blk)

If I had my choice, I would probably pick Fleming (if he has decent quickness to defend) and then one of the Sophs or Fr (so maybe Durkin) that could be around for more than 1 year.

When are they able to put their name in the portal ? And have any of these player said they are going to transfer ?

 

[chasingwildcat]

not all of them will transfer

We can talk more about this after tournament I think

Also could explore some overseas addition

Big T works well for Illinois, could find a guy like that for our roster

 

[Smashcat]

We lose Carr. And probably lose Almonor, unless NCAA changes to a "5 in 5" eligibility rule. And our chances at any PF recruits don't look good. Thus we will probably need to add 2 PFs from the portal this summer. So here are the top potential transfer portal players, again assuming no change to 5 seasons in 5 years ruling (these stats are about a week old):

Bailey, 6'10-230 Davidson, 19.4, 6.7, 3.7a, 50% 3pt
Noel, 6'8-240 Wright St, 18.4, 7.5, 35% 3pt (37% career)
Banks, 6'8-210 Tulane, 17.9, 7.5, 36% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Rataj, 6'9-220, Oregon St, 17.3, 8.3, 2.5a, 37% 3pt, 2.8 stocks
Fleming, 6'9-240 St. Joe's, 16.1, 9.3, 41% 3pt, 3.1 stocks
Durkin (Soph), 6'7-220 Davidson, 15.9, 5.8, 2.2a, 45% 3pt, 1.4 stl
Williams, 6'6-225 Texas Tech, 15.6, 5.6, 4.7a, 36% 3pt (39% career), 1.7 stocks
Sydnor (Fr), 6'8-210 Manhattan, 15.0, 6.6, 39% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Pierre, 6'9-210 Belmont, 13.8, 6.8, 3.9a, 38% 3pt
Watts (Soph), 6'6-233 Wash St, 13.8, 7.9, 4.0a, 35% 3pt (40% last yr)
Evans, 6'8-215 Bryant, 13.5, 7.3, 2.6a, 37% 3pt
Erikstrup, 6'11-226 Wash St, 12.7, 4.6, 40% 3pt
Lawal, 6'8-215 Va Tech, 12.4, 6.5, 47% 3pt
Saunders, 6'8-225 UVA, 12.1, 5.4, 38% 3pt

(stocks = Stl + Blk)

If I had my choice, I would probably pick Fleming (if he has decent quickness to defend) and then one of the Sophs or Fr (so maybe Durkin) that could be around for more than 1 year.

He's good. If he doesn't go pro, Fleming will probably get plenty of offers to transfer, but sounds like he's staying there.

 

[Dontworryboutit23]

We lose Carr. And probably lose Almonor, unless NCAA changes to a "5 in 5" eligibility rule. And our chances at any PF recruits don't look good. Thus we will probably need to add 2 PFs from the portal this summer. So here are the top potential transfer portal players, again assuming no change to 5 seasons in 5 years ruling (these stats are about a week old):

Bailey, 6'10-230 Davidson, 19.4, 6.7, 3.7a, 50% 3pt
Noel, 6'8-240 Wright St, 18.4, 7.5, 35% 3pt (37% career)
Banks, 6'8-210 Tulane, 17.9, 7.5, 36% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Rataj, 6'9-220, Oregon St, 17.3, 8.3, 2.5a, 37% 3pt, 2.8 stocks
Fleming, 6'9-240 St. Joe's, 16.1, 9.3, 41% 3pt, 3.1 stocks
Durkin (Soph), 6'7-220 Davidson, 15.9, 5.8, 2.2a, 45% 3pt, 1.4 stl
Williams, 6'6-225 Texas Tech, 15.6, 5.6, 4.7a, 36% 3pt (39% career), 1.7 stocks
Sydnor (Fr), 6'8-210 Manhattan, 15.0, 6.6, 39% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Pierre, 6'9-210 Belmont, 13.8, 6.8, 3.9a, 38% 3pt
Watts (Soph), 6'6-233 Wash St, 13.8, 7.9, 4.0a, 35% 3pt (40% last yr)
Evans, 6'8-215 Bryant, 13.5, 7.3, 2.6a, 37% 3pt
Erikstrup, 6'11-226 Wash St, 12.7, 4.6, 40% 3pt
Lawal, 6'8-215 Va Tech, 12.4, 6.5, 47% 3pt
Saunders, 6'8-225 UVA, 12.1, 5.4, 38% 3pt

(stocks = Stl + Blk)

If I had my choice, I would probably pick Fleming (if he has decent quickness to defend) and then one of the Sophs or Fr (so maybe Durkin) that could be around for more than 1 year.

Fleming is my choice as well

 

[Cowtown Cat]

We lose Carr. And probably lose Almonor, unless NCAA changes to a "5 in 5" eligibility rule. And our chances at any PF recruits don't look good. Thus we will probably need to add 2 PFs from the portal this summer. So here are the top potential transfer portal players, again assuming no change to 5 seasons in 5 years ruling (these stats are about a week old):

Bailey, 6'10-230 Davidson, 19.4, 6.7, 3.7a, 50% 3pt
Noel, 6'8-240 Wright St, 18.4, 7.5, 35% 3pt (37% career)
Banks, 6'8-210 Tulane, 17.9, 7.5, 36% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Rataj, 6'9-220, Oregon St, 17.3, 8.3, 2.5a, 37% 3pt, 2.8 stocks
Fleming, 6'9-240 St. Joe's, 16.1, 9.3, 41% 3pt, 3.1 stocks
Durkin (Soph), 6'7-220 Davidson, 15.9, 5.8, 2.2a, 45% 3pt, 1.4 stl
Williams, 6'6-225 Texas Tech, 15.6, 5.6, 4.7a, 36% 3pt (39% career), 1.7 stocks
Sydnor (Fr), 6'8-210 Manhattan, 15.0, 6.6, 39% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Pierre, 6'9-210 Belmont, 13.8, 6.8, 3.9a, 38% 3pt
Watts (Soph), 6'6-233 Wash St, 13.8, 7.9, 4.0a, 35% 3pt (40% last yr)
Evans, 6'8-215 Bryant, 13.5, 7.3, 2.6a, 37% 3pt
Erikstrup, 6'11-226 Wash St, 12.7, 4.6, 40% 3pt
Lawal, 6'8-215 Va Tech, 12.4, 6.5, 47% 3pt
Saunders, 6'8-225 UVA, 12.1, 5.4, 38% 3pt

(stocks = Stl + Blk)

If I had my choice, I would probably pick Fleming (if he has decent quickness to defend) and then one of the Sophs or Fr (so maybe Durkin) that could be around for more than 1 year.

I want Fleming as well! Not sure about the others. Not familiar. Fleming would be ideal IMO.

 

[mcwildcats04]

When I created that he only had attempted 16 (8-16), looks like he is now 13-24. But his prior 2 years he shot a combined 29%. So I think he would be a wait and see if he can keep that % up.

Seems like he has really improved his shot given those numbers this year. 24 is a decent sample size for this year. Worth keeping an eye on.

 

[cmallory4121]

We lose Carr. And probably lose Almonor, unless NCAA changes to a "5 in 5" eligibility rule. And our chances at any PF recruits don't look good. Thus we will probably need to add 2 PFs from the portal this summer. So here are the top potential transfer portal players, again assuming no change to 5 seasons in 5 years ruling (these stats are about a week old):

Bailey, 6'10-230 Davidson, 19.4, 6.7, 3.7a, 50% 3pt
Noel, 6'8-240 Wright St, 18.4, 7.5, 35% 3pt (37% career)
Banks, 6'8-210 Tulane, 17.9, 7.5, 36% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Rataj, 6'9-220, Oregon St, 17.3, 8.3, 2.5a, 37% 3pt, 2.8 stocks
Fleming, 6'9-240 St. Joe's, 16.1, 9.3, 41% 3pt, 3.1 stocks
Durkin (Soph), 6'7-220 Davidson, 15.9, 5.8, 2.2a, 45% 3pt, 1.4 stl
Williams, 6'6-225 Texas Tech, 15.6, 5.6, 4.7a, 36% 3pt (39% career), 1.7 stocks
Sydnor (Fr), 6'8-210 Manhattan, 15.0, 6.6, 39% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Pierre, 6'9-210 Belmont, 13.8, 6.8, 3.9a, 38% 3pt
Watts (Soph), 6'6-233 Wash St, 13.8, 7.9, 4.0a, 35% 3pt (40% last yr)
Evans, 6'8-215 Bryant, 13.5, 7.3, 2.6a, 37% 3pt
Erikstrup, 6'11-226 Wash St, 12.7, 4.6, 40% 3pt
Lawal, 6'8-215 Va Tech, 12.4, 6.5, 47% 3pt
Saunders, 6'8-225 UVA, 12.1, 5.4, 38% 3pt

(stocks = Stl + Blk)

If I had my choice, I would probably pick Fleming (if he has decent quickness to defend) and then one of the Sophs or Fr (so maybe Durkin) that could be around for more than 1 year.

The list will be a lot longer by may

 

[will1976]

We lose Carr. And probably lose Almonor, unless NCAA changes to a "5 in 5" eligibility rule. And our chances at any PF recruits don't look good. Thus we will probably need to add 2 PFs from the portal this summer. So here are the top potential transfer portal players, again assuming no change to 5 seasons in 5 years ruling (these stats are about a week old):

Bailey, 6'10-230 Davidson, 19.4, 6.7, 3.7a, 50% 3pt
Noel, 6'8-240 Wright St, 18.4, 7.5, 35% 3pt (37% career)
Banks, 6'8-210 Tulane, 17.9, 7.5, 36% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Rataj, 6'9-220, Oregon St, 17.3, 8.3, 2.5a, 37% 3pt, 2.8 stocks
Fleming, 6'9-240 St. Joe's, 16.1, 9.3, 41% 3pt, 3.1 stocks
Durkin (Soph), 6'7-220 Davidson, 15.9, 5.8, 2.2a, 45% 3pt, 1.4 stl
Williams, 6'6-225 Texas Tech, 15.6, 5.6, 4.7a, 36% 3pt (39% career), 1.7 stocks
Sydnor (Fr), 6'8-210 Manhattan, 15.0, 6.6, 39% 3pt, 2.1 stocks
Pierre, 6'9-210 Belmont, 13.8, 6.8, 3.9a, 38% 3pt
Watts (Soph), 6'6-233 Wash St, 13.8, 7.9, 4.0a, 35% 3pt (40% last yr)
Evans, 6'8-215 Bryant, 13.5, 7.3, 2.6a, 37% 3pt
Erikstrup, 6'11-226 Wash St, 12.7, 4.6, 40% 3pt
Lawal, 6'8-215 Va Tech, 12.4, 6.5, 47% 3pt
Saunders, 6'8-225 UVA, 12.1, 5.4, 38% 3pt

(stocks = Stl + Blk)

If I had my choice, I would probably pick Fleming (if he has decent quickness to defend) and then one of the Sophs or Fr (so maybe Durkin) that could be around for more than 1 year.

Thanks for keeping us updated! Look forward to seeing you add to this list as it grows in the off-season.

 

[JonathanW]

The list will be a lot longer by may

I limited it to guys not yet a SR, who are scoring 12+/gm, and making 35%+ of 3's, attempting 1+/gm, and then still excluded some that were 6'5-6'6, or looked slow, or were only pulling down like 4 reb/gm.

 

[BlueSince92]

Good list but again considering how much (little) a percentage of Carr’s game his perimeter shooting has actually played here, and how successful he was for us when healthy, we absolutely need to throw this open and search for low-post punishers and glass cleaners, especially if they can play solid defense, without regard to whether they can hit the side of a barn from beyond seven feet.

 

[UKSanders]

Good list but again considering how much (little) a percentage of Carr’s game his perimeter shooting has actually played here, and how successful he was for us when healthy, we absolutely need to throw this open and search for low-post punishers and glass cleaners, especially if they can play solid defense, without regard to whether they can hit the side of a barn from beyond seven feet.

That may be what you end up getting, but I'd at least start the search with someone who meets your criteria PLUS is at least a moderate threat from the perimeter.

If you can't find one or two of those guys, then find at least one who meets your criteria.

 

[Ripcord65]

At PF, I'd also be interested in a prospect's rebounding stats.

 

[VikingCat21]

What about Jayden Quaintance? Could we potentially afford to pull him away from ASU? Would he fit Pope's system?

 

[BlueSince92]

That may be what you end up getting, but I'd at least start the search with someone who meets your criteria PLUS is at least a moderate threat from the perimeter.

If you can't find one or two of those guys, then find at least one who meets your criteria.

No reason to start with what you use less. If you can land a guy hitting 70% from the post, you don’t drop that for a guy hitting way under that but also hitting 50% from 3 which you’re gonna have him take maybe once per game. You look at everybody but you pick based on what you’re actually going to use.

 

[VikingCat21]

Is there also a chance we flip Wilson if UNC fires Davis?

 

[JonathanW]

At PF, I'd also be interested in a prospect's rebounding stats.

That is the 2nd number listed (1st number is points)

 

[JonathanW]

Good list but again considering how much (little) a percentage of Carr’s game his perimeter shooting has actually played here, and how successful he was for us when healthy, we absolutely need to throw this open and search for low-post punishers and glass cleaners, especially if they can play solid defense, without regard to whether they can hit the side of a barn from beyond seven feet.

Pope's offense is 4 out. If he can't shoot, or at least be a threat to, that makes it 4 on 5. Certainly we could drop the criteria from 35%+ to 30%+, but we are UK so why not shoot for the best. But yeah rebounding should be a factor too, and definitely defense. That is why I included rebounding stats for all, and "stock" stats for those with decent #'s.

 

[BlueSince92]

Pope's offense is 4 out. If he can't shoot, or at least be a threat to, that makes it 4 on 5. Certainly we could drop the criteria from 35%+ to 30%+, but we are UK so why not shoot for the best. But yeah rebounding should be a factor too, and definitely defense. That is why I included rebounding stats for all, and "stock" stats for those with decent #'s.

You can say that but it just hasn’t been, bro. Andrew Carr has shot 28% from three this year on 1.7 attempts. That has pulled zero people out to defend the line. It’s negligible and while it certainly doesn’t hurt us, it has given us no appreciable advantage whatsoever over an Andrew Carr who never put up a single shot from beyond the arc. So you certainly keep in mind what Pope would be able to do with someone like a Lebron. No one’s going to be turning away Lebron James because he shoots too well from outside. But while you’re doing that you also take a good long look at the entire available field, which is hundreds more players than the 14 you selected. That way you have hundreds more opportunities to set yourself up with the kind of ball handlers, distributors, rim protectors, etc.—people with the skills that we’ve actually demonstrated we convert to Ws in this system. It’s a much more winning approach and thankfully that’s the approach Pope is actually going to use.

 

[chasingwildcat]

What about Jayden Quaintance? Could we potentially afford to pull him away from ASU? Would he fit Pope's system?

If he actually decides to transfer
It will be a bidding war (no less than 2m)

I think he definitely fits pope system

 

[UKSanders]

No reason to start with what you use less. If you can land a guy hitting 70% from the post, you don’t drop that for a guy hitting way under that but also hitting 50% from 3 which you’re gonna have him take maybe once per game. You look at everybody but you pick based on what you’re actually going to use.

Normally I'd agree. The only question I would ask is:

Would having a PF that is zero threat from the perimeter limit the entire offense b/c a big could sag into the lane and prevent back cuts, etc.? So, in Pope's offense, would the net effect may hurt the rest of the offense enough that it wouldn't be worth it?

 

[BlueSince92]

Normally I'd agree. The only question I would ask is:

Would having a PF that is zero threat from the perimeter limit the entire offense b/c a big could sag into the lane and prevent back cuts, etc.? So, in Pope's offense, would the net effect may hurt the rest of the offense enough that it wouldn't be worth it?

I appreciate that analysis in terms of dynamic thinking. But if that translated to the real world wouldn’t people have already tried it against us? Andrew Carr is literally giving us less than two points a game from perimeter shots, which he’s hitting at a percentage that probably makes opposing coaches wish he’d try more of them, especially given they’ve generally come when he’s wide open.

I fully expect Mark Pope to find that wicked group of Hawkeye fours before too long and open this thing up, really show CBB what he can do. I just don’t think this upcoming season, with its recruiting class which is very light on talented fours generally and when our best shot at one just made the bonehead choice of throwing his lot in with Hubert Davis, is the time to decide to die on that hill. Carr has proven Pope’s offense works very very well with a paint-focused guy, so let’s have a gander at the best paint-focused guys available for next year before we make any decisions. Is all I’m saying.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

Get the NCAA to grant the 5th year to everyone, get Almonor back and JT Toppin is a guy I'd like . if Pope can help with his 3pt shooting even slightly the kid can be like T. Jones was for us.

 

[Dontworryboutit23]

What if adou wanted to come back?

 

[UKSanders]

I appreciate that analysis in terms of dynamic thinking. But if that translated to the real world wouldn’t people have already tried it against us? Andrew Carr is literally giving us less than two points a game from perimeter shots, which he’s hitting at a percentage that probably makes opposing coaches wish he’d try more of them, especially given they’ve generally come when he’s wide open.

I fully expect Mark Pope to find that wicked group of Hawkeye fours before too long and open this thing up, really show CBB what he can do. I just don’t think this upcoming season, with its recruiting class which is very light on talented fours generally and when our best shot at one just made the bonehead choice of throwing his lot in with Hubert Davis, is the time to decide to die on that hill. Carr has proven Pope’s offense works very very well with a paint-focused guy, so let’s have a gander at the best paint-focused guys available for next year before we make any decisions. Is all I’m saying.

I think we agree more than we don't. I agree I wouldn't "die on the hill" of getting a stretch 4 or bust...

I was just stating if we are starting a "wish" list, I'd start with the best possible and work down from there. In doing so, it just made me wonder...what would a guy like Oscar do to this offense? That got me thinking and lead me to the points I've mentioned.

Regardless of how the roster ends up, this just makes for fun discussion/speculation.

 

[JonathanW]

You can say that but it just hasn’t been, bro. Andrew Carr has shot 28% from three this year on 1.7 attempts. That has pulled zero people out to defend the line. It’s negligible and while it certainly doesn’t hurt us, it has given us no appreciable advantage whatsoever over an Andrew Carr who never put up a single shot from beyond the arc. So you certainly keep in mind what Pope would be able to do with someone like a Lebron. No one’s going to be turning away Lebron James because he shoots too well from outside. But while you’re doing that you also take a good long look at the entire available field, which is hundreds more players than the 14 you selected. That way you have hundreds more opportunities to set yourself up with the kind of ball handlers, distributors, rim protectors, etc.—people with the skills that we’ve actually demonstrated we convert to Ws in this system. It’s a much more winning approach and thankfully that’s the approach Pope is actually going to use.

Watch the games. Regardless of his %, he and everyone else except Williams and sometimes Garrison, is guarded closely outside the 3pt line. Now I'm sure Pope would make adjustments for a player even half as good as Lebron. But no NBA level player will be playing college ball next year. Certainly you look at, start with the entire field. But you need some criteria to narrow it down (only 13-14 allowed on a team). We are UK, we should not be "settling" for just anyone.

As for a guide, I think we can look at what Pope did last summer:
- focus #1, a PG who can shut you down defensively, and run the team effectively
- focus #2, a C who can defend (protect the rim), and is a good passer
- focus #3, a PF who can do BOTH, shoot the 3 at a good %, and also score on the inside, while not a liability on defense
- focus #4, a wing (or 2) who hits a high % of 3's
- focus #5, a wing who can shut you down defensively
Now if we can find guys who fill more than 1 of those roles, GREAT, but unlikely.

 

[JonathanW]

What if adou wanted to come back?

I liked Adou a lot. He doesn't fit Pope's system all that well, but I would gladly take him back. Because he gives you everything except 3pt shooting (defense, rebounding, driving, gets to the line).

 

[JonathanW]

I appreciate that analysis in terms of dynamic thinking. But if that translated to the real world wouldn’t people have already tried it against us? Andrew Carr is literally giving us less than two points a game from perimeter shots, which he’s hitting at a percentage that probably makes opposing coaches wish he’d try more of them, especially given they’ve generally come when he’s wide open.

I fully expect Mark Pope to find that wicked group of Hawkeye fours before too long and open this thing up, really show CBB what he can do. I just don’t think this upcoming season, with its recruiting class which is very light on talented fours generally and when our best shot at one just made the bonehead choice of throwing his lot in with Hubert Davis, is the time to decide to die on that hill. Carr has proven Pope’s offense works very very well with a paint-focused guy, so let’s have a gander at the best paint-focused guys available for next year before we make any decisions. Is all I’m saying.

Wasn't this board bitching & moaning because Oscar, our C/5, didn't shoot 3's. Now you're wanting both the 4 & 5 not shooting them?

 

[chasingwildcat]

I liked Adou a lot. He doesn't fit Pope's system all that well, but I would gladly take him back. Because he gives you everything except 3pt shooting (defense, rebounding, driving, gets to the line).

adou will be pro

He is late first rounder or early second rounder now.

Def a pro

 

[jeffky]

When I created this was limiting to guys making 35%+ of 3's. He was below that, but it looks like since then has gone 4-6, raising his % to 36%. So definitely another to keep our eye on.

Big time motor chiseled like a rock and quick as a cat 6ft 8 banger that pounds the boards

 

[Mash 2.4]

Really haven’t worried about recruiting much since Pope was hired. He’ll find guys he likes and coach to their strengths.

 

[G-PIP]

If he actually decides to transfer
It will be a bidding war (no less than 2m)

I think he definitely fits pope system

Except Quaintance still can't shoot (FTs included). But he moves well for his size and rebounds pretty well. I don't think he's particularly known as a passer. He reminds me of Garrison in what he brings. I believe he would be considered more valuable as a C target. Because if he's worth no less than $2M as a PF option, then a player like Fleming that others have talked about here should go for $5M or more. Basically, I think there will be at least a dozen PF options in the portal you would want before ever getting to Quaintance. The caveat for me is Quaintance's age. He could certainly improve a lot in the next couple of years.

 

[BlueSince92]

Wasn't this board bitching & moaning because Oscar, our C/5, didn't shoot 3's. Now you're wanting both the 4 & 5 not shooting them?

Don’t confuse me with the board. Shaedon Sharpe, Rex Chapman, and Keion Brooks excepted, I’ve almost never said anything negative about any player past or present because why imo.

I don’t want anyone not shooting if they can shoot.

Let me put it another way.

If defenses really are coming out to the perimeter to guard Andrew Carr who’s only shooting 1.7 threes a game and only hitting 28% of them even though he’s almost always unguarded when he takes them, they’ll come out for anyone. It may well be a thing where they’re just deciding it’s too hard to teach everyone to stay home on just Carr so they may as well come out on everyone.

Whatever the reason, there were 1,800 kids in the portal last year. If we look at one or two hundred guys who can do as well or better in the post as Carr has, choose all the other statistical wrinkles and intangibles we prefer from that pool, and then select the best shooters among whoever fits best among those dudes, then our odds of finding a great fit and dominating are just much higher than if we start that whole process with only 14 guys.

35% outside shooters are beautiful, don’t get me wrong. But we have a 28% shooter who’s done an amazing job as our PF. And inasmuch as we’ve felt like we could have used more from him in specific games this season, it wasn’t that we felt like we could have used more perimeter firepower from him in those games. It was that we felt like we could have used more boards, and more physical play, and better defense from him. So let’s keep all that in mind when have to replace him. Is what I’m saying.

Maybe we really do want to avoid guys who absolutely shoot like old ladies from beyond eight feet. But if they came out for a 28% shooter they’ll come out for a 25% shooter. Whole lot more of those. The all-around best fit from 100 is probably going to work a lot better than the all-around best fit from 14.