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Parlays anyone? Better think twice

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I almost never bet a parlay, and after reading an article in WSJ today about the rise of parlays on gambling sites, I will definitely avoid them. The takeaway is what a losing prop they are for bettors. Average profit on "normal" bets is somewhere between 6-7% or so (higher than I would have thought), but gambling sites make about 20% on parlays, making them a classic sucker bet. By way of comparison, think the take at a race track is 12-13%, which is pretty much impossible to overcome in the long run. Naturally, the gambling sites heavily promote parlays, because they are making a killing on them.

Parlay vous?
 
What I wish people would do is record the stats and confront some of the celebrity endorsers with the terrible track record of their parlay picks (which I doubt they even actually make - probably just interns). If you're going to con people you deserve the scrutiny.
 
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I almost never bet a parlay, and after reading an article in WSJ today about the rise of parlays on gambling sites, I will definitely avoid them. The takeaway is what a losing prop they are for bettors. Average profit on "normal" bets is somewhere between 6-7% or so (higher than I would have thought), but gambling sites make about 20% on parlays, making them a classic sucker bet. By way of comparison, think the take at a race track is 12-13%, which is pretty much impossible to overcome in the long run. Naturally, the gambling sites heavily promote parlays, because they are making a killing on them.

Parlay vous?
I often play 8-12 team parlays of home favorites of two TDs or more. It usually pays out +125-+200 and usually pays out. I cannot figure out basketball betting.
 
I use money line parlays about 80% of the time. You can parlay two 6 point favorites and get about 10:11 odds your favor, whereas if you take either side on a spread bet your at 11:10. The parlay is much easier to hit and it pays more.
 
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I use money line parlays about 80% of the time. You can parlay two 6 point favorites and get about 10:11 odds your favor, whereas if you take either side on a spread bet your at 11:10. The parlay is much easier to hit and it pays more.
This is the first argument I have ever read that makes good sense compared to straight up bet.
 
I play the hell out of prop bets on Prize Picks. I usually play 4/5 a night in the NBA and a few every Sunday in the NFL. Very seldon do college. But UK / Arkansas I had a 4 leg prop bet : $20 to win $200.

Amari Williams over 19.5 points and rebounds (had 33) Thanks Amari for your best effort of the year.

Otega Oweh under 17 points (scored 10) - he had been struggling lately and figured Thiero would be on him)

Jaxson Robinson over 17.5 points and rebounds (23) He has been scoring a bunch lately and he is always good for 3/4 rebounds.

Adou Thiero over 22.5 points and rebounds (scored 29) he averages 16.4 points and 6.3 rebounds and I figured he would get above his averages, UK struggles with rebounding and physical guards / SF. He ended up with 21 points and 8 rebounds.
 
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I don’t have the necessary bank roll for single bets to make me any money unless I’m thinking long term and I don’t. If I had say $2K to bet on a game I would do that. But I’m trying to win $5K off $10
 
I don’t have the necessary bank roll for single bets to make me any money unless I’m thinking long term and I don’t. If I had say $2K to bet on a game I would do that. But I’m trying to win $5K off $10
Good luck. LOL, not a chance in hell. $10 is one 0-2 day, or 1 0-1 day. I have 2 separate accounts. One I bet pretty serious money on games (I posted 50 or so plays in the Gambling threads this year), and another account I do for fun on Prize Picks. I deposited $200 about 3 months ago when I signed up. After a rough 2/3 days, it sits at $692. I usually play 3/4 leg bets on there, payouts range from 5-1 to 10-1.

Every now and then I will play a 4 leg "Goblin" pick (discounted player props, but pay less. A 4 leg pays 2-1 and I will throw $50 on them. Just last night I had Derrick White over 10.5 points / Alperen Sengun over7.5 rebounds / Pascal Siakam over 14.5 points / Norman Powell over 1.5 3's hit. $20 paid $110. I will also play "Demon" picks, opposite of Goblin picks, Demon marks up a players stats, hard to hit, but pays very well. I do not play them for near as much as Goblin picks (hard to hit thus risky wager. Last one I hit was on the 31st. It was a 2 leg, Durant over 3.5 3's (made 5) / Brandon Podzienski over 2.5 3"s (made 4). 15-1, $10 paid $150. I needed luck though, Podzienski only had one 3 pointer, and hit 3 in the last 7 minutes of the game. I have lost 2 Demon bets this week.

Prize Picks is a site if you really want to enjoy watching games, risk very little money. I do not try and break the bank on there, it is more entertainment. Just last night I was up until 1 AM waiting for the Pacer / Clippers game to end. The Pacer and Clippers, lol.
 
As an proprietor of a place that dabbled in accepting friendly wagers, we loved us some parlay players.
We announced and celebrated the winners loudly and smiled knowingly.
 
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Most large parlays are garbage. Even more in basketball than football. Idk how many times I've seen absolute BS kill a parlay.
I'll play 4-6 legs at most most of the time.
 
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3 team parlays are reasonable hits
4 and above very hard
College BB offers value every day if you do a little research
Pound the boost days when available!
 
For those interested in the math behind a 2 game parlay here it is. If you just want to know the odds go to the end:

To determine the breakeven win percentage needed to make the parlay bet more profitable than betting each game separately, let's break it down step by step.

Step 1: Expected Profit from Straight Bets

Each individual bet is at -110 odds, meaning you risk $110 to win $100 (or $1110 to win $1000 in your scenario).

  • Win probability needed to break even on a single bet:
    110(110+100)=110210≈52.38%\frac{110}{(110+100)} = \frac{110}{210} \approx 52.38\%(110+100)110=210110≈52.38%
  • Let P be the probability of a single bet winning.
  • Expected return for betting each game separately:
    EVstraight=2P−1EV_{\text{straight}} = 2P - 1EVstraight=2P−1
    Since you place two separate bets, the expected return per dollar is:
    EVtotal straight=2(2P−1)EV_{\text{total straight}} = 2(2P - 1)EVtotal straight=2(2P−1)

Step 2: Expected Profit from the Parlay Bet

A parlay bet pays 2.6:1, meaning if you risk $1110, you win $2886 if both bets hit.

  • The probability of both games winning is P2P^2P2.
  • Expected return per dollar for the parlay:
    EVparlay=3.6P2−1EV_{\text{parlay}} = 3.6P^2 - 1EVparlay=3.6P2−1

Step 3: Find the Breakeven Probability

To find when the parlay is more profitable than betting separately, we set:

EVparlay≥EVtotal straightEV_{\text{parlay}} \geq EV_{\text{total straight}}EVparlay≥EVtotal straight3.6P2−1≥2(2P−1)3.6P^2 - 1 \geq 2(2P - 1)3.6P2−1≥2(2P−1)3.6P2−1≥4P−23.6P^2 - 1 \geq 4P - 23.6P2−1≥4P−23.6P2−4P+1≥03.6P^2 - 4P + 1 \geq 03.6P2−4P+1≥0

Step 4: Solve the Quadratic Equation

3.6P2−4P+1=03.6P^2 - 4P + 1 = 03.6P2−4P+1=0
Using the quadratic formula:

P=−(−4)±(−4)2−4(3.6)(1)2(3.6)P = \frac{-(-4) \pm \sqrt{(-4)^2 - 4(3.6)(1)}}{2(3.6)}P=2(3.6)−(−4)±(−4)2−4(3.6)(1)P=4±16−14.47.2P = \frac{4 \pm \sqrt{16 - 14.4}}{7.2}P=7.24±16−14.4P=4±1.67.2P = \frac{4 \pm \sqrt{1.6}}{7.2}P=7.24±1.6
Approximating:

P=4±1.267.2P = \frac{4 \pm 1.26}{7.2}P=7.24±1.26P=5.267.2≈0.73orP=2.747.2≈0.38P = \frac{5.26}{7.2} \approx 0.73 \quad \text{or} \quad P = \frac{2.74}{7.2} \approx 0.38P=7.25.26≈0.73orP=7.22.74≈0.38
Since we are looking for a profitable strategy, we take the higher value:

P≈73%P \approx 73\%P≈73%

Final Answer

To make the parlay a better bet than betting each game separately, you need to be correct at least 73% of the time on your individual picks.

Credit: ChatGPT
 
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It depends if you are a serious gambler or recreational. Serious gamblers rarely play parlays. Even those guys overall winning percentage isn’t great but they hit the + odds more frequently. They also get the best line value. People that are betting $100-$500 a day are betting straight and do a lot of research.

Recreational gamblers like me $5-$25 can hit 5-10 times a year that covers the annual spend. I love parlays but understand the odds are against me. For me it makes the games more interesting.
 
For those interested in the math behind a 2 game parlay here it is. If you just want to know the odds go to the end:

To determine the breakeven win percentage needed to make the parlay bet more profitable than betting each game separately, let's break it down step by step.

Step 1: Expected Profit from Straight Bets

Each individual bet is at -110 odds, meaning you risk $110 to win $100 (or $1110 to win $1000 in your scenario).

  • Win probability needed to break even on a single bet:
    110(110+100)=110210≈52.38%\frac{110}{(110+100)} = \frac{110}{210} \approx 52.38\%(110+100)110=210110≈52.38%
  • Let P be the probability of a single bet winning.
  • Expected return for betting each game separately:
    EVstraight=2P−1EV_{\text{straight}} = 2P - 1EVstraight=2P−1
    Since you place two separate bets, the expected return per dollar is:
    EVtotal straight=2(2P−1)EV_{\text{total straight}} = 2(2P - 1)EVtotal straight=2(2P−1)

Step 2: Expected Profit from the Parlay Bet

A parlay bet pays 2.6:1, meaning if you risk $1110, you win $2886 if both bets hit.

  • The probability of both games winning is P2P^2P2.
  • Expected return per dollar for the parlay:
    EVparlay=3.6P2−1EV_{\text{parlay}} = 3.6P^2 - 1EVparlay=3.6P2−1

Step 3: Find the Breakeven Probability

To find when the parlay is more profitable than betting separately, we set:

EVparlay≥EVtotal straightEV_{\text{parlay}} \geq EV_{\text{total straight}}EVparlay≥EVtotal straight3.6P2−1≥2(2P−1)3.6P^2 - 1 \geq 2(2P - 1)3.6P2−1≥2(2P−1)3.6P2−1≥4P−23.6P^2 - 1 \geq 4P - 23.6P2−1≥4P−23.6P2−4P+1≥03.6P^2 - 4P + 1 \geq 03.6P2−4P+1≥0

Step 4: Solve the Quadratic Equation

3.6P2−4P+1=03.6P^2 - 4P + 1 = 03.6P2−4P+1=0
Using the quadratic formula:

P=−(−4)±(−4)2−4(3.6)(1)2(3.6)P = \frac{-(-4) \pm \sqrt{(-4)^2 - 4(3.6)(1)}}{2(3.6)}P=2(3.6)−(−4)±(−4)2−4(3.6)(1)P=4±16−14.47.2P = \frac{4 \pm \sqrt{16 - 14.4}}{7.2}P=7.24±16−14.4P=4±1.67.2P = \frac{4 \pm \sqrt{1.6}}{7.2}P=7.24±1.6
Approximating:

P=4±1.267.2P = \frac{4 \pm 1.26}{7.2}P=7.24±1.26P=5.267.2≈0.73orP=2.747.2≈0.38P = \frac{5.26}{7.2} \approx 0.73 \quad \text{or} \quad P = \frac{2.74}{7.2} \approx 0.38P=7.25.26≈0.73orP=7.22.74≈0.38
Since we are looking for a profitable strategy, we take the higher value:

P≈73%P \approx 73\%P≈73%

Final Answer

To make the parlay a better bet than betting each game separately, you need to be correct at least 73% of the time on your individual picks.

Credit: ChatGPT
I think you have everything correct except the conclusion. If you picked 73% of individual games you would win the parlay bet about half the time, which would yield huge returns. I think the actual conclusion is that to break even you need to win about 27% of your two team parlay bets (1-73%). Calculate winning 27% of your parlays and you will see that the return is positive. That makes sense as it approximates the 53% individual game percentage needed. Parlays are not "bad bets" as they pay true odds, 10/11 times 2. The margins are actually the same as single game bets. It has been many years since my UK graduate level probability courses, and about the same number of years since my bookmaking days, so it would take me awhile to show you the math.
 
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