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Over paid players in NBA

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I really didn't put to much work in researching this.

But this one had me shocked .


Austin Rivers PG 25 6-4 200 Duke $11,825,000 .

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As much as I dislike Austin Rivers he is at least a decent contributor. One of the more indefensible contracts I've seen recently was Solomon Hill. $50 million over 4 years. Career averages of 6pts 3reb 1ast
 
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Chandler Parsons 4 year, $94 million deal that they signed him to knowing he had bad knees, only for him to miss the season with bad knees, is near the top.

What the Knicks pay Noah is atrocious although I don't know the exact details.

My lakers just had to pay a first round pick to get the Nets to eat Mozgov's 18 million a year that they only signed to make them look like they were trying.
 
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gossie21 said:
As much as I dislike Austin Rivers he is at least a decent contributor. One of the more indefensible contracts I've seen recently was Solomon Hill. $50 million over 4 years. Career averages of 6pts 3reb 1ast
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Jodie Meeks is making 7 Million for 2 years, Patterson 16 million for 3 years and T Jones out of the league when all have been bigger contributors than Solomon Hill.
 
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GonzoCat90 said:
Chandler Parsons 4 year, $94 million deal that they signed him to knowing he had bad knees, only for him to miss the season with bad knees, is near the top.

What the Knicks pay Noah is atrocious although I don't know the exact details.

My lakers just had to pay a first round pick to get the Nets to eat Mozgov's 18 million a year that they only signed to make them look like they were trying.
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Noah makes nearly $18M.
 
gossie21 said:
Noah makes nearly $18M.
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Used to be great. Still a good rebounder, defender and passer but his body has been done for a while now. Can't imagine he played more than 20 minutes a game and maybe played half the games.

Not exactly bang for the buck
 
The problem is all of the stats only reference offensive numbers.
Most overpaid player on each team (minus a few).

Miles Plumlee
2017-18 salary: $12,500,000
2016-17 stats: 2.5 points, 2.1 rebounds

Al Horford
2017-18 salary: $27,734,405
2016-17 stats: 14.0 points, 6.8 rebounds, 5.0 assists

Timofey Mozgov
2017-18 salary: $15,280,000
2016-17 stats: 7.4 points, 4.9 rebounds

J.R. Smith
2017-18 salary: $13,760,000
2016-17 stats: 8.6 points, 2.8 rebounds

Wesley Matthews
2017-18 salary: $17,884,175
2016-17 stats: 13.5 points, 3.5 rebounds

Andre Iguodala
2017-18 salary: $14,814,815
2016-17 stats: 7.6 points, 4.0 rebounds, 3.4 assist

Ryan Anderson
2017-18 salary: $19,578,454
2016-17 stats: 13.6 points, 4.6 rebounds

Victor Oladipo
2017-18 salary: $21,000,000
2016-17 stats: 15.9 points, 4.3 rebounds

Austin Rivers
2017-18 salary: $11,825,000
2016-17 stats: 12.0 points, 2.8 assists

Luol Deng
2017-18 salary: $17,190,000
2016-17 stats: 7.6 points, 5.3 rebound

Chandler Parsons
2017-18 salary: $23,112,004
2016-17 stats: 6.2 points, 2.5 rebounds

Mirza Teletovic
2017-18 salary: $10,500,000
2016-17 stats: 6.4 points, 2.3 rebounds

Cole Aldrich
2017-18 salary: $7,300,000
2016-17 stats: 1.7 points, 2.5 rebounds I think I can average this for half as much.

Omer Asik
2017-18 salary: $10,595,505
2016-17 stats: 2.7 points, 5.3 rebounds

Joakim Noah
2017-18 salary: $17,765,000
2016-17 stats: 5.0 points, 8.8 rebounds

Enes Kanter
2017-18 salary: $17,884,175
2016-17 stats: 14.3 points, 6.7 rebounds

Bismack Biyombo
2017-18 salary: $17,000,000
2016-17 stats: 6.0 points, 7.0 rebounds

J.J. Redick
2017-18 salary: $23,000,000
2016-17 stats: 15.0 points, 2.2 rebounds

Brandon Knight
2017-18 salary: $13,618,750
2016-17 stats: 11.0 points, 2.4 assists

Evan Turner
2017-18 salary: $17,131,148
2016-17 stats: 9.0 points, 3.8 rebounds

Ian Mahinmi
2017-18 salary: $16,661,641
2016-17 stats: 5.6 points, 4.8 rebounds
 
I agree they make too much. But somebody is gonna make it if they don't. Be cool if portions could go to different types of charity's or something in the communities. A lot could be done. Blast me, idgaf.
 
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Double Oaked Juice said:
The ticket salesmen, the dance girls, the PR guy, the Advanced Metrics boy, etc.
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I would imagine all of those people are fairly compensated for what they do, but even assuming they're not, think about what you're suggesting.

Go with the premise that anyone over 10 million a year is overpaid. Set the max contract at 10 million. That's at least 20 million gone from every team's max contract guy.

Then you have a handful of guys making in that 17-20 million range (conservatively), and if 10 million for LeBron is too much then we definitely can't pay every player on the roster the same amount, so leave anyone under 10 million alone, none of this extra money goes to them.

Let's conservatively say this creates an extra $50 million per year just to have an even, flat number. How many people does the team employ? Not the arena staff or anyone like that who is employed independently, just the team staff.

But if players are overpaid, surely the millions to be a coach and GM and those positions are overpaid too. So not counting them, let's really exaggerate and say a team employs 100 people.

You'd rather give them all a $500,000 a year bonus than pay the 12 guys who are already generating revenue and providing jobs for those people? LeBron James makes too much but the ticket guy should make over 500k? Why?
 
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GonzoCat90 said:
Why is $9 million fine?

What should they be paid and where should the billions in revenue that they generate go instead?
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I know exactly what you are saying. I get your point very well and it's understandable, under current economics of the game, that these players and coaches get the money they do. However, even you have to admit that professional sports, and even college sports, have gotten out of hand in this country and around the world, for that matter. Yes, these guys possess a talent but it's just playing a game and the finances of the game have gone bizarre. I doubt there is any way of turning back anything so I believe the salaries will just continue to spiral in the future. And, for me, there is no class wealth resentment at all, just trying to be a bit more realistic of how money in this country can get out of control. I mean, whoever thought someone would get paid incredible amounts millions of dollars for dribbling and shooting a basketball. These guys are paid unreal amounts of money compared to people doing cancer cure research or those who keep us safe by putting their lives on the line daily. Just seems weird what our values are. AND, I am a conservative who believes in capitalism so don't go there with me either. Not trying to stifle the free market, just trying to put things in perspective.
 
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ORCAT said:
I know exactly what you are saying. I get your point very well and it's understandable, under current economics of the game, that these players and coaches get the money they do. However, even you have to admit that professional sports, and even college sports, have gotten out of hand in this country and around the world, for that matter. Yes, these guys possess a talent but it's just playing a game and the finances of the game have gone bizarre. I doubt there is any way of turning back anything so I believe the salaries will just continue to spiral in the future. And, for me, there is no class wealth resentment at all, just trying to be a bit more realistic of how money in this country can get out of control. I mean, whoever thought someone would get paid incredible amounts millions of dollars for dribbling and shooting a basketball. These guys are paid unreal amounts of money compared to people doing cancer cure research or those who keep us safe by putting their lives on the line daily. Just seems weird what our values are. AND, I am a conservative who believes in capitalism so don't go there with me either. Not trying to stifle the free market, just trying to put things in perspective.
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I understand the feelings, I'm just saying there's no alternative. The money is there. People watch on tv and buy tickets and merchandise and all that. We can't just put it in a paper shredder, so I'd rather it go to the people who are the cause of all the popularity and money. If anything, I think they should get a bigger cut.

It's about rarity of talent. I'm a teacher. Most folks would argue my job is "more important" than some guy dribbling a basketball and it's absurd that he makes a zillion times more than I do. But his abilities are so much more rare than mine.

And there's a market audience for his talents. If people really cared that much, go personally hand a hundred bucks to your kid's teacher instead of paying for the deluxe sports package each month or buying the new pair of LeBrons or a 500th UK hoodie.

But we don't. And that's fine. Folks should spend their money as they please. They just gotta realize they're contributing to the problem.
 
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GonzoCat90 said:
I understand the feelings, I'm just saying there's no alternative. The money is there. People watch on tv and buy tickets and merchandise and all that. We can't just put it in a paper shredder, so I'd rather it go to the people who are the cause of all the popularity and money. If anything, I think they should get a bigger cut.

It's about rarity of talent. I'm a teacher. Most folks would argue my job is "more important" than some guy dribbling a basketball and it's absurd that he makes a zillion times more than I do. But his abilities are so much more rare than mine.

And there's a market audience for his talents. If people really cared that much, go personally hand a hundred bucks to your kid's teacher instead of paying for the deluxe sports package each month or buying the new pair of LeBrons or a 500th UK hoodie.

But we don't. And that's fine. Folks should spend their money as they please. They just gotta realize they're contributing to the problem.
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I agree with you and have been a teacher, coach and AD so I understand and enjoyed your analogy. I think we both agree on the basics and the fact that it's not going away or that there is an alternative. My main point was that it just doesn't seem right in the big scheme of things despite their "rare talent" (it's still just a game). We fans are as much to blame for the ridiculous salaries for players and unbelievable incomes for GM's and owners, etc. We are crazy about our sports in this country and most of the people on this board, including myself, are prime examples of those crazies. Good talking with ya.
 
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I don't think they are overpaid. They make whatever someone is willing to pay them. No one goes to the games or watches the games on tv to watch the popcorn man scoop popcorn. They pay the money to see the athletes entertain them. And as others have said, the amount they generate in revenue is enormous. If it doesn't go to the players who everyone goes to see, who should it go to?
 
MWes11 said:
I don't think they are overpaid. They make whatever someone is willing to pay them. No one goes to the games or watches the games on tv to watch the popcorn man scoop popcorn. They pay the money to see the athletes entertain them. And as others have said, the amount they generate in revenue is enormous. If it doesn't go to the players who everyone goes to see, who should it go to?
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Poor communities (West end of Louisville needs help. Small example.), used to generate a few additional jobs somewhere, or to charity's.
 
Just a bit of an ancillary thought:

Guys like LeBron James make other people much richer too. He isn't a money vacuum.

Even beyond charity that these guys give, their impact on restaurants, stores, etc in the downtown area of their cities is huge because of the crowds they draw.

The writers and reporters and newspapers and websites all make more money because of their high profile and people's interest in them. Is Brian Windhorst ESPN every day if LeBron James doesn't exist?

That's the small stuff. Then you have the money that huge companies like Nike make from these guys, and the extra jobs and stock and all that stuff that comes with it. These mega rich athletes are a lot more than just athletes. That might be the source of their fame and money but the ripple effect they provide creates a lot of money for a lot of other people.
 
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Mike-D said:
Poor communities (West end of Louisville needs help. Small example.), used to generate a few additional jobs somewhere, or to charity's.
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But it does go there. There are over a thousand kids in Ohio who are going to get to go to college because of LeBron James' money.

And I just posted a reply about the jobs these guys create for others.

What more do you suggest we do? Beyond the insane taxes these guys pay and the charity they give, how much of the money do you want them to give up?

It doesn't affect my life if they make 35 million or 10 million. It's all an astronomical amount.

Besides, if we're worried about the West End, why is no one ever mad at the politicians or CEOs of companies like UPS or Papa Johns? I'm sure they probably already donate to charity, but so do these athletes.

Why don't we want Dan Gilbert, who has more money than LeBron (and through some awful means) to fix the community instead?
 
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GonzoCat90 said:
I would imagine all of those people are fairly compensated for what they do, but even assuming they're not, think about what you're suggesting.

Go with the premise that anyone over 10 million a year is overpaid. Set the max contract at 10 million. That's at least 20 million gone from every team's max contract guy.

Then you have a handful of guys making in that 17-20 million range (conservatively), and if 10 million for LeBron is too much then we definitely can't pay every player on the roster the same amount, so leave anyone under 10 million alone, none of this extra money goes to them.

Let's conservatively say this creates an extra $50 million per year just to have an even, flat number. How many people does the team employ? Not the arena staff or anyone like that who is employed independently, just the team staff.

But if players are overpaid, surely the millions to be a coach and GM and those positions are overpaid too. So not counting them, let's really exaggerate and say a team employs 100 people.

You'd rather give them all a $500,000 a year bonus than pay the 12 guys who are already generating revenue and providing jobs for those people? LeBron James makes too much but the ticket guy should make over 500k? Why?
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oh, i totally agree that most of the people employed in the front office are probably paid a fair sum for their roles.

and for the sales folks, getting the opportunity to attend the games and rub elbows with arguably the richest people in the city is a major fringe benefit. same idea goes for the dance girls. the good looking ones increase their chances of dating a player.
 
GonzoCat90 said:
But it does go there. There are over a thousand kids in Ohio who are going to get to go to college because of LeBron James' money.

And I just posted a reply about the jobs these guys create for others.

What more do you suggest we do? Beyond the insane taxes these guys pay and the charity they give, how much of the money do you want them to give up?

It doesn't affect my life if they make 35 million or 10 million. It's all an astronomical amount.

Besides, if we're worried about the West End, why is no one ever mad at the politicians or CEOs of companies like UPS or Papa Johns? I'm sure they probably already donate to charity, but so do these athletes.

Why don't we want Dan Gilbert, who has more money than LeBron (and through some awful means) to fix the community instead?
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I'm sure a lot of NBA guys donate. I'm sure they pay plenty of taxes. That doesn't mean they can't do more. I mean you yourself said they make astronomical salaries. And I'm not mad at anyone, just simply giving my opinion on it all. UPS should do something too. As should Papa John.

I think it's easier to single out an NBA player because we know exactly what they're making. It's shoved down our throats by the media. Super max deals, etc. The average Joe like you and I see that John Wall just signed a contract that's making him around 42 million dollars a year. I instantly start thinking to myself what good could come from using a little of that money for communities. Whether it's feeding homeless, or putting some shelter over the Eric Bledsoes of the world coming up through high school living in a car. Again, you will come back with why isn't so and so helping. I can't answer that. I follow the NBA, not Papa John.
 
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Mike-D said:
I'm sure a lot of NBA guys donate. I'm sure they pay plenty of taxes. That doesn't mean they can't do more. I mean you yourself said they make astronomical salaries. And I'm not mad at anyone, just simply giving my opinion on it all. UPS should do something too. As should Papa John.

I think it's easier to single out an NBA player because we know exactly what they're making. It's shoved down our throats by the media. Super max deals, etc. The average Joe like you and I see that John Wall just signed a contract that's making him around 42 million dollars a year. I instantly start thinking to myself what good could come from using a little of that money for communities. Whether it's feeding homeless, or putting some shelter over the Eric Bledsoes of the world coming up through high school living in a car. Again, you will come back with why isn't so and so helping. I can't answer that. I follow the NBA, not Papa John.
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I'm sure everyone with a little bit, or a lot of money, could do more. I could do more for charity. I'm sure you could do more for charity. Just not the world we live in. I donate to charities and give back (humble brag), but I know in my heart that I could do more, and I am sure you can, too, as well as the rest of this board. What percentage of their salaries do you want them to donate that would make you happy? I think i remember John Wall and Boogie both donating something like 1 million dollars of their last contract to charities.
 
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I'm sure a lot of NBA guys donate. I'm sure they pay plenty of taxes. That doesn't mean they can't do more. I mean you yourself said they make astronomical salaries. And I'm not mad at anyone, just simply giving my opinion on it all. UPS should do something too. As should Papa John.

I think it's easier to single out an NBA player because we know exactly what they're making. It's shoved down our throats by the media. Super max deals, etc. The average Joe like you and I see that John Wall just signed a contract that's making him around 42 million dollars a year. I instantly start thinking to myself what good could come from using a little of that money for communities. Whether it's feeding homeless, or putting some shelter over the Eric Bledsoes of the world coming up through high school living in a car. Again, you will come back with why isn't so and so helping. I can't answer that. I follow the NBA, not Papa John.
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I hear you, and those questions were more rhetorical than directed towards you. I don't expect you to solve poverty on Catpaw lol.

I'm just speaking to society as a whole. Teachers never make enough money until a community proposes a nickel tax for education. Athletes make too much until the cable package changes and I don't get ESPN360 Deportes W Online for the one thirty second segment they show on the Cats.

If only everyone else didn't have so much. Then we could have more. And if we had more we'd deserve it and use it to fix the world's problems.

We're all just mad we could never dunk with two hands and the mortgage is due.
 
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