OT- Matt Stafford

[UKWildcats1987]

I do not see an issue here. He is not some trained medical professional and could have made things worse. The Staffords are paying for her medical bills (100% not necessary) so move along.

I would be drunk too, not because I won the Super Bowl, but because I am out of that cess pool known as Detroit after so many years and got to go to LA to compete for a Super Bowl and win it. Stafford has a few more good years and he is on his way to the HOF...based on career stats he would probably get in if he retired today.

 

[Rock_Cat78]

Grumpy has been a good poster here for a long time, but man, what a terrible, horrendous take here. I don't think anyone believes Stafford should have jumped down and tried to attend to this woman, but maybe show a little human decency like you care and are concerned about another human being for a few seconds. That shouldn't even be debatable.

 

[zcats]

We don’t have enough information to really understand this event. I have not seen images of the fall itself so the height is unclear. I only saw one reporter who wrote that it was about 6 feet. We don’t know how she reacted to the fall (she is not paralyzed) or who helped her. People are judging him by his reaction to the fall which appeared to be insensitive but we don’t know what he saw. He looked stupid and cold when he commented and turned away. We don’t know if he could have helped her or how. There were other people there who probably helped her but we don’t know for sure.

All we know is that if you are in the public eye everyone is always watching and looking for an opportunity to get their photo or story on the news. They want to sensationalize and demonize. This is not a story if he just walks over and looks looks worried. This 3 second clip is not evidence to label him a jerk for the rest of his life but it has.

 

[BlueRunner11]

Grumpy has been a good poster here for a long time, but man, what a terrible, horrendous take here. I don't think anyone believes Stafford should have jumped down and tried to attend to this woman, but maybe show a little human decency like you care and are concerned about another human being for a few seconds. That shouldn't even be debatable.

Yeah he didn’t give two shits and it was obvious. No one was expecting him to “treat” anyone.

The reactions of him and his wife couldn’t have been more opposite.

 

[CatCall]

Good grief... If he had simply walked over to the edge and showed any concern and called for some help this would not be talked about.

He showed ZERO empathy. OK... he was drunk. No issue there for me but true character exists even in a drunken state. If it were me, even drunk as s#it, I believe with all my heart I'd have at least tried to get someone over to check on her.

To me that's the real issue. I don't believe any of us thought he should render medical assistance.

 

[Cleisthenes]

i think he's generally he's been a really good guy. Being a Lions fan here in Iowa all my life, I obviously rooted for him for years. But this is now one incident that will stay with many. No excuse for it though his "followers" want to excuse it away. As a husband and as a father of younger girls, his action with the woman's fall was about as bad a move as you could make. He deserved to get blistered badly nationally for it, deserves to have people question his deep character, and while it's now generous for him to pay for her medical expenses regarding this, one now questions if that was his decision or his wife's or his p.r. team. That's how quickly the tide turned on him. Life of perception/reality.

People are somehow conditioned to think that after something happens that the person should have realized every single thing they know after the fact while it was still happening. Kills me.

Take all these concert accidents. You're up on stage. You can't hear a thing because I've been up on one. You can't hardly see because you're bathed in light while the audience is behind all that glare. And yet for any disturbance in the audience (which the performer will probably have no idea of the severity of) they're going to stop the whole thing if somebody gets a soda spilled on them? Maybe a guy pushes somebody? Then you find out later that no, a guy got stabbed to death and you didn't stop the concert? Or maybe you stopped the concert but it was just somebody overreacting to losing a contact lense? Boy, great show, I love the way they stopped it 20 times over a bunch of trivial crap.

No way Stafford can know the severity of the woman's fall. Supposed she just gets up embarrassed with a scratch on her knee? Stafford faces staggering liability if he directly involves himself. What have the players been trained to do as I would bet a large sum the players are told not to move into the crowd no matter what.

People bat 100% after the fact. I know it helps click counts and ad revenue to constantly be hyping the slightest mistake up, but this crap has to stop. The man made a honest mistake and there is no question on earth he will regret it. His family and of course the victim's family will as well. How about we go back to being normal fallible human beings instead of breaking out the internet torches every time a person makes a mistake?

 

[rucker4]

No way Stafford can know the severity of the woman's fall. Supposed she just gets up embarrassed with a scratch on her knee? Stafford faces staggering liability if he directly involves himself. What have the players been trained to do as I would bet a large sum the players are told not to move into the crowd no matter what.

Was the right thing to do what his wife did, walk forward to look and see if the woman needed assistance, or just turn your back, walk away with a 'WGAF" attitude? Simple question. Too much of his attitude in the world today-- maybe some are just getting sick of seeing it. So what kills me is people who condone and excuse away a very simple act of care that could have been exhibited.

 

[rucker4]

Grumpy has been a good poster here for a long time, but man, what a terrible, horrendous take here. I don't think anyone believes Stafford should have jumped down and tried to attend to this woman, but maybe show a little human decency like you care and are concerned about another human being for a few seconds. That shouldn't even be debatable.

Agree with you on the horrific take by him and others. But when people idolize these high profile athletes or celebrities, you always are willing to excuse away their failures. We all fail at things, but it's up to each of us to make the choices necessary when the failures happen.

 

[SosaUK87]

So, umm, anybody see the racist and homophobic tweets this gal supposedly tweetered?

 

[Cleisthenes]

Was the right thing to do what his wife did, walk forward to look and see if the woman needed assistance, or just turn your back, walk away with a 'WGAF" attitude? Simple question. Too much of his attitude in the world today-- maybe some are just getting sick of seeing it. So what kills me is people who condone and excuse away a very simple act of care that could have been exhibited.

Of course it was the right thing to do if he realizes a woman just got paralyzed for live but how in the hell would he know that? To him it was just some idiot trying to get too close and he wasn't going to ruin his buzz on a scratched knee? He was drinking. I'm actually surprised he didn't bust out laughing as when somebody falls on their arse that's what you usually do. You just never in your wildest dreams expect that kind of injury.

Of course after the fact the whole world is full of neurosurgeons giving the clinical diagnosis from 15 feet away and their back turned. The man made a mistake. Leave him alone and leave his family alone and let them grieve over that mistake. But no, we need to lynch him first.

 

[rucker4]

Of course it was the right thing to do if he realizes a woman just got paralyzed for live but how in the hell would he know that? To him it was just some idiot trying to get too close and he wasn't going to ruin his buzz on a scratched knee? He was drinking. I'm actually surprised he didn't bust out laughing as when somebody falls on their arse that's what you usually do. You just never in your wildest dreams expect that kind of injury.

Of course after the fact the whole world is full of neurosurgeons giving the clinical diagnosis from 15 feet away and their back turned. The man made a mistake. Leave him alone and leave his family alone and let them grieve over that mistake. But no, we need to lynch him first.

Some idiot? She was employed by the team. the camera was handed to the woman to take a picture of them. Here's hoping you have more empathy one day-- especially if that person who fell is you or a family member. People are quite amazing.

 

[Cleisthenes]

Some idiot? She was employed by the team. the camera was handed to the woman to take a picture of them. Here's hoping you have more empathy one day-- especially if that person who fell is you or a family member. People are quite amazing.

I can't wait until every concert, every parade, hell every commute you have to work... they all have to stop and check if somebody scratches their knee. Can't have somebody sneeze with no kleenex and you just keep performing.

Fun world we're building. Don't insult anyone or hurt anyone's feeling. Stop everything and check just to make sure.

How on earth does Stafford expect a woman falling like that would have been paralyzed? A man can't even celebrate a Super Bowl win without expecting to have special powers to heal the injured and divine the sick?

 

[Littlefeller]

Two completely diff reactions-one from MS and one from the blonde with the cap on(maybe his wife but doesn't matter really). Chose your poison-which one if not both is a great-classy-caring-LEADERS choice!

 

[TCurtis75]

I can't wait until every concert, every parade, hell every commute you have to work... they all have to stop and check if somebody scratches their knee. Can't have somebody sneeze with no kleenex and you just keep performing.

Fun world we're building. Don't insult anyone or hurt anyone's feeling. Stop everything and check just to make sure.

How on earth does Stafford expect a woman falling like that would have been paralyzed? A man can't even celebrate a Super Bowl win without expecting to have special powers to heal the injured and divine the sick?

No one expected him to heal her. What is so hard to understand about that? No one even said he had to jump down off the stage to attend to her. A simple "Can we get some help over here" is all it would have taken. I don't care how drunk you are, someone can ask for help for someone else. You can guarantee if it had been his wife, he wouldn't have been too drunk to ask for help. That is the problem with this situation and how MS handled it.

 

[bsteele350]

No one expected him to heal her. What is so hard to understand about that? No one even said he had to jump down off the stage to attend to her. A simple "Can we get some help over here" is all it would have taken. I don't care how drunk you are, someone can ask for help for someone else. You can guarantee if it had been his wife, he wouldn't have been too drunk to ask for help. That is the problem with this situation and how MS handled it.

Absolutely correct! Honestly, even if it was just a scraped knee - his reaction would still have been douche’ish.

 

[rucker4]

No one expected him to heal her. What is so hard to understand about that? No one even said he had to jump down off the stage to attend to her. A simple "Can we get some help over here" is all it would have taken. I don't care how drunk you are, someone can ask for help for someone else. You can guarantee if it had been his wife, he wouldn't have been too drunk to ask for help. That is the problem with this situation and how MS handled it.

Well stated.

For those defending Stafford here, had they been the one who fell instead of the woman, or their wife, he would have also walked away from them.

 

[gojvc]

Well stated.

For those defending Stafford here, had they been the one who fell instead of the woman, or their wife, he would have also walked away from them.

It was pretty obviously a dick move by Stafford. On the other hand, he’s trying - albeit in an imperfect way - to make amends. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. We’re way too quick to judge and way too slow to forgive these days. JMO.

 

[zcats]

Of course it was the right thing to do if he realizes a woman just got paralyzed for live but how in the hell would he know that? To him it was just some idiot trying to get too close and he wasn't going to ruin his buzz on a scratched knee? He was drinking. I'm actually surprised he didn't bust out laughing as when somebody falls on their arse that's what you usually do. You just never in your wildest dreams expect that kind of injury.

Of course after the fact the whole world is full of neurosurgeons giving the clinical diagnosis from 15 feet away and their back turned. The man made a mistake. Leave him alone and leave his family alone and let them grieve over that mistake. But no, we need to lynch him first.

She wasn't paralyzed. She said she had a spine fracture which is probably a hairline vertebral fracture or a broken coccyx. She will be back in 6 weeks is what I read.

 

[JC CATS]

Drunk or not, just no excuse to lip "oh shit" right after the lady fell then turn your back and walk away. Pathetic.

But I do think Stafford is a good enough guy that he will make a significant contribution to this lady's GoFundMe that's been set up. Just horrible p.r. either way-- but more so if he doesn't try making up for it in some qway.

I heard he and the Rams covered all medical expenses and broken equipment tifwiw

 

[rucker4]

I heard he and the Rams covered all medical expenses and broken equipment tifwiw

yep, nice gesture for sure, but also clearly damage control over the fallout in the media about him the other day.

 

[Cleisthenes]

Need to train all the players in basic first aid, CPR, and field surgery so that during celebrations and parades they can scan the crowd for injured spectators. Hopefully after every play next season they'll have officials call time out then go to the sidelines and review all the footage to make sure nobody in the stands got hurt. Every game will take 22 hours to complete but if it saves one life it will be worth it. If they flip their uniforms inside out they turn into surgical scrubs so they can wheel the injured directly onto the field and use the stadium lights to perform their miraculous life saving procedures. Nothing like a good open heart surgery right after a 4th and 1. After he retires Stafford can have his own TV show: Matthew Stafford, MD. Player by day. Surgeon by circumstance. Somewhere out there if somebody falls down, Matt will find them. He's a one man Rapid Response Team.

 

[rucker4]

Need to train all the players in basic first aid, CPR, and field surgery so that during celebrations and parades they can scan the crowd for injured spectators. Hopefully after every play next season they'll have officials call time out then go to the sidelines and review all the footage to make sure nobody in the stands got hurt. Every game will take 22 hours to complete but if it saves one life it will be worth it. If they flip their uniforms inside out they turn into surgical scrubs so they can wheel the injured directly onto the field and use the stadium lights to perform their miraculous life saving procedures. Nothing like a good open heart surgery right after a 4th and 1. After he retires Stafford can have his own TV show: Matthew Stafford, MD. Player by day. Surgeon by circumstance. Somewhere out there if somebody falls down, Matt will find them. He's a oneman Rapid Response Team.

All he had to do was show one ounce of concern for the woman. Like his wife did. He instead turned his back and walked away. Trying to throw other junk out there as excuses as you have is trying to cover for a lack of humane decency. Sadly you can't comprehend such a simple thing.

 

[TCurtis75]

Need to train all the players in basic first aid, CPR, and field surgery so that during celebrations and parades they can scan the crowd for injured spectators. Hopefully after every play next season they'll have officials call time out then go to the sidelines and review all the footage to make sure nobody in the stands got hurt. Every game will take 22 hours to complete but if it saves one life it will be worth it. If they flip their uniforms inside out they turn into surgical scrubs so they can wheel the injured directly onto the field and use the stadium lights to perform their miraculous life saving procedures. Nothing like a good open heart surgery right after a 4th and 1. After he retires Stafford can have his own TV show: Matthew Stafford, MD. Player by day. Surgeon by circumstance. Somewhere out there if somebody falls down, Matt will find them. He's a one man Rapid Response Team.

Let’s put this into terms even you can understand. When a teammate gets hurt during a game, the players don’t treat the teammate. They do however call for help and wave to get a trainer out to them. That’s exactly what MS should’ve done here. It was a Rams celebration so you can bet the team trainers and doctors were there. The more you talk the bigger the idiot and asshole you become. Do everyone a favor and just stfu. No wonder you have the reputation as one of the worst posters on this board.

 

[fabcat]

I didn’t see the video but seems he didn’t have anything to do with her fall. Just my opinion but I don’t think he warrants getting raked over the coals in the media. They also did not have to help the lady out with her medical bills either but they did. I guess you can argue the motive, but no one can say for sure they would not have done it anyway.

I just laugh at people that think while intoxicated you would act the same as when you’re sober. But that’s what people do. They love to tell everyone how they would react to something after the fact.

 

[Rock_Cat78]

I didn’t see the video but seems he didn’t have anything to do with her fall. Just my opinion but I don’t think he warrants getting raked over the coals in the media. They also did not have to help the lady out with her medical bills either but they did. I guess you can argue the motive, but no one can say for sure they would not have done it anyway.

I just laugh at people that think while intoxicated you would act the same as when you’re sober. But that’s what people do. They love to tell everyone how they would react to something after the fact.

You might wanna watch the video then and see how abruptly and callously he just walked away with no concern for the lady whatsoever.

 

[Cleisthenes]

Let’s put this into terms even you can understand. When a teammate gets hurt during a game, the players don’t treat the teammate. They do however call for help and wave to get a trainer out to them. That’s exactly what MS should’ve done here. It was a Rams celebration so you can bet the team trainers and doctors were there. The more you talk the bigger the idiot and asshole you become. Do everyone a favor and just stfu. No wonder you have the reputation as one of the worst posters on this board.

The fact that Stafford didn't cut one his own kidneys out and donate it right there on the spot shows what a callous SOB he is. Just rip the ink tube out of a pen and punch a hole in her throat to make sure she could breath, at least. Stafford could have jumped into a helicopter and kicked the pilot out the other door then life-flighted her directly to the ER roof but instead he greedily continued to enjoy something as insignificant as winning the Super Bowl in his first year with the Rams after suffering a brutal and long career being called a flop for about a dozen years in Detroit and then trying to celebrate it without being drawn in to a medical emergency where every event has dozens of people hired to tend to the crowd for such things.

But no, being drunk and then attending to an injured person was the right play there. Take one for the team. Recognize instantly the extent of her injuries, tape off the area, establish a clean sterile area around the victim, then try and heal her paralysis before the cops can arrive and give you a blood test so the headlines can be "Drunken Stafford sexually assaults innocent women he threw off the stage... news at 11."

 

[Cawood86]

I'm a Lions fan and have followed him his entire NFL career. Too many people gave him too much of a pass in Detroit for never winning a playoff game there. He has his ring now but it helped to be surrounded by many great stars around him. I just never felt Stafford made his teammates around him in Detroit better-- which is the #1 key of greatness.

Anyways, this look here is really bad.

Agree....he never lifted Detroit up...not all his fault.....bad coaches....bad front office, etc, but he didn't really change that Org.

Brees did, Brady did, Wilson did, etc. Rams basically had an All-Star team. All he had to do was not mess it up.

Plus, and I think this gets downplayed and over-looked. Rams were playing in their home stadium. They had every advantage in that regard.

 

[bsteele350]

The fact that Stafford didn't cut one his own kidneys out and donate it right there on the spot shows what a callous SOB he is. Just rip the ink tube out of a pen and punch a hole in her throat to make sure she could breath, at least. Stafford could have jumped into a helicopter and kicked the pilot out the other door then life-flighted her directly to the ER roof but instead he greedily continued to enjoy something as insignificant as winning the Super Bowl in his first year with the Rams after suffering a brutal and long career being called a flop for about a dozen years in Detroit and then trying to celebrate it without being drawn in to a medical emergency where every event has dozens of people hired to tend to the crowd for such things.

But no, being drunk and then attending to an injured person was the right play there. Take one for the team. Recognize instantly the extent of her injuries, tape off the area, establish a clean sterile area around the victim, then try and heal her paralysis before the cops can arrive and give you a blood test so the headlines can be "Drunken Stafford sexually assaults innocent women he threw off the stage... news at 11.

Are you the president of this loser’s fan club? All this prick had to do was simply acknowledge the woman but he couldn’t even be bothered to look - let me repeat, LOOK at this woman. Had he done that, no one would even be talking about this horse ish.

Guy is a DB, plain and simple.

 

[Soupbean]

Are you the president of this loser’s fan club? All this prick had to do was simply acknowledge the woman but he couldn’t even be bothered to look - let me repeat, LOOK at this woman. Had he done that, no one would even be talking about this horse ish.

Guy is a DB, plain and simple.

How some are still having trouble with the concept of this is mind boggling to me. Not that hard to understand the difference between rendering help and showing concern, common and easy for most of us to get.

That said, a bad decision or action does not make someone a DB. Make them human and falable. how you respond to it can show a little more about who you are under the mistakes and he did ok on that. Still leaves a mark and open the door for his character to be questions of why his instinct wasn’t to react better in the moment.

I sure got a bunch of stupid stuff Big and small I wish I could have a do over on

 

[bsteele350]

How some are still having trouble with the concept of this is mind boggling to me. Not that hard to understand the difference between rendering help and showing concern, common and easy for most of us to get.

That said, a bad decision or action does not make someone a DB. Make them human and falable. how you respond to it can show a little more about who you are under the mistakes and he did ok on that. Still leaves a mark and open the door for his character to be questions of why his instinct wasn’t to react better in the moment.

I sure got a bunch of stupid stuff Big and small I wish I could have a do over on

Respect your opinion, but this wasn’t a hard decision to make. It’s not like he’s fresh out of college. Dude is 34 years old. For me, he’s going to remain a DB.

 

[NoDef]

Nah.. I'd walked away too.. Everyone wants sue you now.. So let someone else deal with it..

Nobody asked him to give her CPR. At least show some concern instead of saying Oh shi@# and smirk and walk away. The least he could of done is turn around to see if she was okay.

 

[The-Hack]

The fact that Stafford didn't cut one his own kidneys out

When she fell, had Stafford expressed one-percent of the emotion you have shown defending him, you wouldn’t need to defend him.

 

[Supafuzz75]

Nobody asked him to give her CPR. At least show some concern instead of saying Oh shi@# and smirk and walk away. The least he could of done is turn around to see if she was okay.

I'd done exact same thing.. Oh well..