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OT: Lamar Fumbled.....again

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Just wanted to come here and say that. Great qb, but his fumble against the Bills, cost the Ravens the game basically.
 
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I think Lamar played pretty solid. Had a bad interception early and the fumble but the weather conditions were awful and he wasn't the only one to fumble. Drove them to the tying TD late and threw a very catchable ball to Andrews to send the game into OT. Not his fault the guy dropped it.

I've been very vocal about LJ's shortcomings in big games, but yesterday was not one of those games, imo.
 
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Not going to put the L on Lamar, he played his ass off, clearly out played Allen. He had his team in it with a chance to win. He over came both of his turnovers and played solid. Andrews makes that wide open catch, we could be talking about a completely different situation. The turnovers did NOT cost them the game, they still had a shot to win in the end.
 
I don't know how you say he outplayed Allen? The running game brought the Ravens back. lamar is great, but he has yet to even make it to an AFC championship game with all these chances.
 
I don't know how you say he outplayed Allen? The running game brought the Ravens back. lamar is great, but he has yet to even make it to an AFC championship game with all these chances.

He literally did last season (to afc title game).
 
If you look at this fumble and the one vs UK they look almost exactly the same. Trying to regain/hold his footing and dropped the ball in both cases

The idiot announcers were saying it was "stripped" out when he just flat out dropped it like it was hot.
 
Just wanted to come here and say that. Great qb, but his fumble against the Bills, cost the Ravens the game basically.
It hurt but not all on him. Andrews has two fumbles in his career and yesterdays was very costly. The dropped 2 pt conversion was worse. If you never watched an NFL game before yesterday you'd think Andrews is one of the worst players in the league. Nothing could be further from the truth.
 
I don't know how you say he outplayed Allen? The running game brought the Ravens back. lamar is great, but he has yet to even make it to an AFC championship game with all these chances.
Running the ball ? Jackson threw a 24 yard TD with 1:50 to go. Henry only rushed for 84 yards the whole game. Well below what he has been doing.

Jackson 18/25 254 yards / 2 TD's / 1 INT / 39 yards rushing
Allen 16/22 127 yards / 0 TDs / 0 INTs / 10 rushes for 20 yards 2 TDs (1 yard run / 3 yard run)

Like I said, he out played him. The final drive was ALL Lamar Jackson.

But just for you, last drive down 8 started with 3:23 to go / 8 plays - 88 yards - TD

Jackson pass incomplete
Jackson run for 8 yards
Jackson pass for 3 yards
Jackson pass for 3 yards
Jackson pass for 27 yards
Jackson pass for 4 yards
Jackson pass for 19 yards
Jackson pass for 24 yards, TD

The only run was by Lamar Jackson on the 2nd play. Then 6 straight passes capped off with the 24 yard TD. Exactly how did the running game bring them back ?
 
I’m not a big Jackson fan but he didn’t cost them the game. But Andrews did. Andrews is a good player, but he had two bad plays!
 
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I’m not a big Jackson fan but he didn’t cost them the game. But Andrews did. Andrews is a good player, but he had two bad plays!
Agree. His dropped 2 point conversion attempt and the fumble as the Ravens was driving, was very costly. At least Lamar's mistakes happened early and did not have as huge of an impact on the games ending.
 
There would still be 1:30 and 2 time outs left if conversion succeeds. My money would be on Allen at least getting the Bills into FG range.
 
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I personally like Jackson and LOVE watching him play. He's electrifying with the football in his hands. That said, it wasn't all on him, but it was another multi-turnover game for him in another loss on the big stage. The scoop and return of his fumble resulted in what was likely a 10-14 point swing in a 2 point loss.
 
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It doesn't matter how "early" or "late" a bad play happens in a game. It all contributes to the 60min. Its a cumulative product. Take away the 2 Lamar turnovers and maybe Andrews' drop isn't the deciding factor. If Andrews catches the 2 pt conversion, they could still lose in regulation or overtime.

That's why you play a whole game and never hang your head. Play each play to >100%. Yes, the big game victory has eluded Jackson. It's a pattern at this point, but that alone doesn't determine the outcome of the game.
 
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It doesn't matter how "early" or "late" a bad play happens in a game. It all contributes to the 60min. Its a cumulative product. Take away the 2 Lamar turnovers and maybe Andrews' drop isn't the deciding factor. If Andrews catches the 2 pt conversion, they could still lose in regulation or overtime.

That's why you play a whole game and never hang your head. Play each play to >100%. Yes, the big game victory has eluded Jackson. It's a pattern at this point, but that alone doesn't determine the outcome of the game.
Absolutely. Without Jackson's fumble and return, Andrews drop never happens because there's no 2 point PAT try.
 
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