OT: Investigation - Georgia football program has rallied around alleged abusers
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Same story, different school, athletes have always been held to a different and lower standard
Not going to claim UGA has 85 choir boys, but the AJC is on the verge of going under, they sre trying to get hits. UGA is one of the more popular subjects in Georgia and an easy target. If we were 5-7 they would find another target.
The article is about a "fixer" who shows up at possible crime scenes not that UGA is the only school with a "fixer" (I'm sure Kentucky has had at least a few over the years). Growing list of incidents putting Kirby on par with Urban Meyer's Florida teams 13-15 years ago. The article is mostly about two named incidents:
It appears they’re referring to:
Tray Bishop - charged with nonconsensual video recording of a sexual encounter (dismissed from team)
RaRa Thomas - charged with domestic violence battery (charges dismissed, remains on team)
Josh Lee - was in the UGA administration and investigated for harassment of a subordinate. (Fired)
D’Antne Demery - arrested for domestic violence as a signee (LOI revoked, dismissed from program)
Jeremiah Holloman - arrested for battery (dismissed from team)
- 8 players went to Adam Anderson's bond hearing after he was kicked off the team.
- Jamaal Jarrett was investigated for a sexual assault while an uncommitted recruit and was not arrested, not charged, etc. and went on to sign with Georgia. This is Jarrett’s second appearance in the news, with him having said an anti-Asian slur
It appears they’re referring to:
Tray Bishop - charged with nonconsensual video recording of a sexual encounter (dismissed from team)
RaRa Thomas - charged with domestic violence battery (charges dismissed, remains on team)
Josh Lee - was in the UGA administration and investigated for harassment of a subordinate. (Fired)
D’Antne Demery - arrested for domestic violence as a signee (LOI revoked, dismissed from program)
Jeremiah Holloman - arrested for battery (dismissed from team)
There seem to have been a lot of off field incidents with the Dawgs this off-season. A lack of discipline off the field inevitably catches up with you on it.
It appears there is a pattern forming of players breaking the law and Kirby doing little to punish them. Many of these incidents warranted game suspensions or being kicked off the team and that rarely happened. Seems like he is permitting a culture of lawlessness. That is something that finally caught up to Urban at Florida.
From one article:
“Two miles south of the University of Georgia, where McIntosh played on the national-champion football team, his high-performance Dodge Charger struck an Uber driver’s Kia compact SUV with such force that it ripped wheels off both vehicles. The police arrested McIntosh on charges that included reckless driving — his third traffic offense in less than six months. A judge later fined him $685.
Any penalty imposed by McIntosh’s coaches apparently was far less severe.
McIntosh, a running back, played in all 15 of Georgia’s games last season, amassing more than 1,300 yards of offense, including 126 in a national semifinal game against Ohio State. His value to the team outweighed the gravity of his offenses.”
From one article:
“Two miles south of the University of Georgia, where McIntosh played on the national-champion football team, his high-performance Dodge Charger struck an Uber driver’s Kia compact SUV with such force that it ripped wheels off both vehicles. The police arrested McIntosh on charges that included reckless driving — his third traffic offense in less than six months. A judge later fined him $685.
Any penalty imposed by McIntosh’s coaches apparently was far less severe.
McIntosh, a running back, played in all 15 of Georgia’s games last season, amassing more than 1,300 yards of offense, including 126 in a national semifinal game against Ohio State. His value to the team outweighed the gravity of his offenses.”
Wish the Birmingham News would dig up stuff on Bama
You'd think but I'm not so sure. Our kids get in trouble for the dumbest, most avoidable, most overblown stuff ever. From duis to fights at frat parties that get blown out of proportion to rape allegations everyone knew was bs. Not to mention losing crod for a minor technicality literally no one else would've cared about.
If we have a fixer, fire them and let's get a better one.
Unfortunately, too many of the top athletes have never been told "no" and have a lot of people aiding and abetting them as soon as they show a lot of promise in a sport. It isn't surprising that a program that lands the top players has issues like this and could use the services of "fixers". A lot of them grow up without dads in their lives and in tough environments that contribute to the toughness needed to excel in football.
They have their 2 national titles and it isn't sustainable so sure they won't win it this coming season.
Sure they will win another this decade though, off field issues or not.
In the fatal accident, no one is still on the team, Stetson was no longer on the team when he was arrested. McIntosh was said to be traveling about 60 in a 40, and had 2 mismeaner charges, wreckless driving and no seatbelt, no alcohol, involved. What should have been done for those charges?
Grump I like you but find this distasteful. The only reason there isn’t still a player on the team or someone working for the team is that they died.
….. or the Knoxville News-Sentinel to do the same to the Vols.
But not to worry, the LHL is always ready to pounce on UK for the slightest transgression.
Back in the 90s I worked with a guy whose brother in-law was a detective or Sargent with the Knoxville PD. He once said if he told me a fraction about what went on and got covered up when it came to UT athletes that I'd have a stroke. I had no reason to doubt him.
Shocking it took you all of two hours to show up after this was posted to spread the word there is nothing to see here. Sure it's just for clicks from the paper. give me a f*cking break
Why would he not be on the team? He was 21, legally able to drink in Ga. He wasn't driving, so he broke no law. Of course he would still be on the team if he chose to be. Like I said, it's a witch hunt by a newspaper trying to survive by any means possible. The article doesn't explain that Thomas has custody of his younger brother, who he wouldn't let leave with his girlfriend early in the morning and she decided to press charges, which were dropped. Just he was arrested. If we were 5-7 none of this would be reported, but every fanbases is hitting this and the AJC is loving it.
In Grumpy's defense the AJC treats UGA even worse than the LHL treats our Cats which is pretty bad. Lewis Grizzard is not walking back through that door.
Just like I said, it's a which hunt by a newspaper trying to survive in a time when they are a dying business. Of the arrest, charges were dropped on all but one who was immediately removed from the team, a future 1st round draft pick. Another had a seatbelt violation and charged with wreckless driving, 20 over in a 40, what should have been his punishment? The others were no longer on the team or were never part of the team. The player who died broke no law, wasn't driving and was 21. So what exactly is Kirby or anyone else suppose to do, he stopped recruiting the unsigned players, McIntosh was speeding and not wearing his seatbelt, no alcohol, had valid driver's license, if you think that deserves a multiple game suspension then he is running a loose ship. But every fanbases we play is loving it.
Names and examples, please, of "UK fixers over the years". If you aren't sure, go ahead and speculate as long as you include specific reasons for taking what you say seriously. If you stop and think about it, that's a heck of a thing to say about our school without something substantial to back it up. Do you have something substantial?
OTOH, in the absence of reasonable evidence to the contrary, I have no problem at all with the suggestion that GA is one of only a handful of schools engaging in this particular kind of extreme activity. In fact, it seems to me that most schools would not. Only those schools most vulnerable to being discovered, and those with very hard core boosters with this kind of paranoid mindset, would go to these links. Here I am suggesting Auburn, TN, GA, Miami, SoCal, UL, that sort of school. Most people understand what I am talking about.
And while many narratives get started these days because some website develops clever ways to generate clicks, I'm certainly not buying Grumpy's rationalization about the AJC. All newspapers are dying. Not just the AJC. Among those, the AJC has no more need to generate clicks than any other. Compared to a corpse like the Inquirer or the HL, the AJC still does relatively well with recruitment of advertising. Generating clicks is done to impress would-be advertisers with the size of the audience, not for reasons Grumpy is implying here. He is rationalizing. Sorry, man.
It’s speculation for football. I’ve seen it personally for the basketball program. I safely assume preferential treatment for athletes is nationwide.
Aren’t you busy having conversations with yourself among various sock puppet accounts in the recruiting thread?
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Yep, blame the media for covering bad news, I am sure it is all made up. Quick question, did the AJC cover the two national titles, or were those buried on the back pages somewhere only true fans would know where to read about it?
Wrong about the AJC, it is a struggling enterprise like all paper newspapers are today. Kirby kicked an all SEC performer off the team when he was arrested for sequel assault, mid season, not indicted, charged. Stopped recruiting the recruit who was charged. Why is this reporter who wants the truth to be exposed that every member of the team helps with special Olympics? Because that won't get the clicks he wants.
In these types of programs you usually only have to look at the character of the AD. Tom Jurich is the poster boy for how to corrupt a program. Coaches will push the envelope for what the AD Will allow. Jurich forced Kragthorpe to take guys that were kicked off other teams that THE COACH DIDNT WANT. We all gripe about Barnhart being a religious goody two shoes. We want HIM to change and play by the rules other ADs play by. Wouldn’t it be better if we wanted other ADs to play by HIS rules?? All of America it seems have given up on being the one who does things right. Barnhart keeps his coaches playing by the rules. If not they are gone. Now. Doing stupid stuff like being the last program to allow alcohol sales is stupid. Being the last to set up a collective stupid as well. Not covering up Domestic and unlawful behavior. I’m behind that.
How could I have been wrong when that is exactly what I said? All newspapers are struggling.
The difference is that the AJC is not struggling for advertising like most newspapers are. One of my nieces works in their marketing department. She knows she will eventually need to make a move to another employer, but things are not as bad there right now as your skewed explanation suggests. Actually, their online business is not doing badly, but not because of click bait.
Keep telling yourself this. Most people understand your explanation does not pass the sniff test.
The recruiting thread is one of the best threads around if you follow recruiting lol. And he asked for facts which you provided none, no reason to be butt hurt
I will say..compared with UT’s “scofflaw” history—UGA is Clean FWIW
Is this another Rembrandt/SpectImager/Messenger sock puppet account?!?
I don’t care to verify claims because I don’t care if anon posters find me credible - some of which are all the same, bored septuagenarian.
Innocent until proven guilty. It's the US standard.
I've seen enough young men (and older) accused and later proven innocent well after their lives and/or careers have been seriously altered or ruined to know not to trust anything off of mere accusations. They shouldn't be tried in the court of mere public opinion and press. They all too often are by people that just want to rage or vitue-signal.
If they are guilty, they should be punished. Prove it first. Those around them SHOULD be loyal until and even through the accusation phases. I would expect nothing less.
Listen Sonnyboy, I'm an octogenarian and not some pantywaist septuagenarian. And my name ain't Anon.Is this another Rembrandt/SpectImager/Messenger sock puppet account?!?
I don’t care to verify claims because I don’t care if anon posters find me credible - some of which are all the same, bored septuagenarian.
You are really full of it. This is an unprovoked ambush. I contribute a whole lot more substance to this football board than you do. For you to start this innuendo and unfairly imply that I am not a credible poster shows your complete lack of character and credibility. KMA.Is this another Rembrandt/SpectImager/Messenger sock puppet account?!?
I don’t care to verify claims because I don’t care if anon posters find me credible - some of which are all the same, bored septuagenarian.
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I listen to Josh Pate a lot. He covered this topic the other day.
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Keep telling myself this? It's a fact. I understand you want UGA to Struggle, but Adam Anderson was removed from the r team, a very likely 1st round draftee. Jalen Carter had no issues at UGA, neither did Stetson Bennett. No one is claiming Stetson is a model college kid. But if I could have afforded it would h a very been a student for 20 years. Like it prnot, UGA is loaded for the next few years, doesn't mean they win the East, but you better be pretty good to challenge for it.
