OT but important to a lot of people on the board
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You don’t want to see the truth of the situation that five minutes on Google or reading numerous books on Rose like Solovokes Hustle or Keith O’brian’s last book go into detail over.
Based on your comments in this thread you seem to be incapable of separating the man from the ball player and are more than willing to handwave a lifetime of horrible behavior because you liked him as a player
You’re the one willing to excuse a man for having sex with a 14 year old as a married 30 year old. And when confronted with it, said “who cares. It was 50 years ago”.
I am happy for his family. They sought reinstatement by filing the papers in January, met with Manfred then too and asked for a decision prior to tonight when he is honored with Pete Rose night at GABP. With that said, if they were seeking his reinstatement, I am sure HOF is next on their minds.
I'm still not sure he will make it in. Just because he's being reinstated, doesn't mean he won't get in and I'm not sure the baseball writers will do it...especially right away.
As for the PED guys, they are all able to be in the HOF. McGwire had his last shot at being voted in by the writers in 2016 when he got 12.3% of the vote. Bonds reached 66% in 2022, but is no longer on the ballot. Bonds and McGwire will not have to depend on the MLB Era Committee to get in.
As for the PED guys, they are all able to be in the HOF. McGwire had his last shot at being voted in by the writers in 2016 when he got 12.3% of the vote. Bonds reached 66% in 2022, but is no longer on the ballot. Bonds and McGwire will not have to depend on the MLB Era Committee to get in.
Rose going into the HOF won't be entirely at the discretion of the sportswriters. The Classic Baseball Era Committee will be deciding the cases of these players. The committee also consists not just veteran media members, but players, executives and managers that are from that era. Those names on the most recent committee included ones such as Hall of Famers Paul Molitor, Eddie Murray, Tony Perez, Lee Smith, Ozzie Smith, and Joe Torre. Executives Sandy Alderson, Terry McGuirk, Dayton Moore, Arte Moreno and Brian Sabean. They will convene in 2027 when they meet again to first vote on Rose and the others that came off the ban list yesterday. This is the fairest way to do it adding your peers, respected names who were directly involved in the game as a player, manager and in the FO, veteran media members when so many sportswriters have egos and hold grudges.
www.espn.com
Molitor, Murray among voters for HOF classic era
Paul Molitor, Eddie Murray, Tony Pérez, Lee Smith and Ozzie Smith are among 16 voters who will decide who gets into the Hall of Fame from the classic era ballot.
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Bench is absolutely right, I always watched the Braves on TBS but after the strike of 94 baseball had fallen on hard times. I’ve never seen more excitement around the game than when Sosa and McGwire battled it out those couple years In a row chasing the record.
Like many others here, I grew up during the era of the Big Red Machine and all that it entailed. Listened to hundreds if not a couple thousand Reds games on AM radio in the 70’s and 80’s. Despite Rose knowing the rule against betting on baseball, he gave the finger to the league and the fanbase by repeatedly wagering on games. Seemed to me his only real regret was getting caught. But for Donald Trump, Rose is still banned.
I’d tell them to F off if I was his family. It is absolutely reprehensible that they didn’t make him eligible before he passed. For the last 30+ years he has jumped thru every hoop & has said & done the right things, for the most part. But, nothing was ever enough & MLB kept dangling that carrot, regardless. To the point that Pete became a punchline, of sorts.I think it's real shitty it took him dying before them doing something about this. I'm no reds fan but that man deserved to be in the Hall Of Fame a long long time ago for his accomplishments on the field! Now I saw something if they die or something to that effect that if they are banned the ban will be lifted. I also remember Trump meeting with the commissioner in April so maybe this had a little to do with him lifting the ban.
MLB lifts Pete Rose, ‘Shoeless’ Joe Jackson bans in shocking reversal that opens Hall of Fame paths
Pete Rose is finally out of MLB’s doghouse, and he has some company.nypost.com
The hypocrites at MLB never had a problem displaying Pete’s record breaking bats, balls, jerseys, hats, etc. They probably got a sick thrill by displaying them & giving Pete more false hope. NOBODY loves/loved baseball more than Pete Rose. And, NOBODY played harder. In ANY sport.
He only bet on his team to win. That shouldn’t go unpunished. But, that really doesn’t hurt the game’s integrity like if he had bet on them to lose. Ban him from managing. Suspend him for 5 years. Fine him $100K. All those would be more appropriate for his crime.
Banning him completely for 30+ years, other than the cpl of occasions that MLB could benefit from his appearance, & letting him die before exonerating him, was just cruel & despicable. A posthumous gesture is a slap in the face, considering what that man endured.
There are rapists, murderers, drug dealers, etc in the HOF. It’s not like the HOF has standards to uphold. But, it was personal against Pete, IMO. This bs has made me wish I wasn’t a baseball fan. I loathe MLB for this. I still watch the Reds, for now. But, that’s it. They won’t get a penny of mine for the foreseeable future, if ever again.
I wouldn’t be so bitter about it if they didn’t F with him so often for the last 3 decades. But, they kept leading him to believe that if he was a good boy & did what they said, he would be rewarded. Like I said, he jumped thru every hoop. Only to have his hopes crushed time after time.
SOMEBODY needs punched in the fu*king nose for it, honestly. I’d be ashamed right now if I was associated with MLB. But, I’m sure they’re all super proud of themselves & patting each other on the back for being so virtuous. The whole thing makes me sick. Sorry for ranting. Pete was my first favorite player & this situation has been a powder keg for me since he passed, lol.
Yes they have! Cardinals have been hot too! (they were my dad's favorite team so I always like when they do well).
Unfortunately, the Mucking Fets are one of the best teams in baseball......bastards.
Man I hate they waited until he was dead to do this. Knew it was going to happen that way. The Goat in my book
Good ol Reds drop this game to the White Sox with the worst record in the AL on the night they honor Pete Rose.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. They should have given him his day in the sun while he could have enjoyed or at least seen it. He deserved it with his career achievements. Like you said, they had no problem displaying his stuff all those years.
The way every sport promotes gambling now, it’s a joke to use that against a player. Maybe if he bet on his own team to lose, shaved points, or threw games on purpose I could see it. Unless they can prove that what do I care if he bet on other teams.
Congress is made up of a bunch of insider traders and I’ve never seen one of them get audited or charged with a crime.
He was an azzhole, I hope they keep him out forever. All of us feeling so very sorry for him, dude was worth so many millions he didn't know how to spend it. He''d bet on your cancer if given a chance.
Larkin's stories about Rose last night were great. Loved how he talked about his first day in the big leagues dealing with weather delays at the airport, arrived late to the game and Pete let him know about it. Said Rose let him borrow his cleats and bat for the game since he had no idea where the bags with his gear were yet.
I made that argument (about Bonds and Clemens) on the MLB page on Facebook, and got a “like” to my reasoning from Ryne Sandberg (yes Ryno). I thought that was pretty cool.
But we should all agree Joe Jackson was the biggest injustice, he didn’t even do anything wrong, he just knew of teammates that were. Using that same logic nobody in the 90’s-00’s should be in, not even Gwynn because he had to know Camanitti was juicing, Jeter had to know, so did Maddux.
Character and Integrity: Candidates must have made significant contributions to baseball and exhibited sportsmanship, character, and integrity. This includes avoiding serious controversies, such as involvement in gambling or performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs), which can impact voter perception.
lol good luck. Imagine being good enough at the game to be a hall of famer but failing so hard at being a decent human being you’re excluded.
Which he should be, dude bet on baseball while managing. Knew it was the one rule you can’t break but did it anyway.
But hey you guys liked him so why should the rules apply to him?
lol good luck. Imagine being good enough at the game to be a hall of famer but failing so hard at being a decent human being you’re excluded.
Which he should be, dude bet on baseball while managing. Knew it was the one rule you can’t break but did it anyway.
But hey you guys liked him so why should the rules apply to him?
The thing I never understood was did Pete ever bet against the Reds when he managed.
If so, he should not get in, he would have incentives to alter the games. Did he be that his team would win? If so, I don’t really care. If he bet on games he wasn’t directly involved in, I don’t care. Betting against your team would be a deal breaker for me.
Other betting seems more minor to me than steroid use which is cheating and has an impact on winning and stats.
If so, he should not get in, he would have incentives to alter the games. Did he be that his team would win? If so, I don’t really care. If he bet on games he wasn’t directly involved in, I don’t care. Betting against your team would be a deal breaker for me.
Other betting seems more minor to me than steroid use which is cheating and has an impact on winning and stats.
This is kind of a crazy opinion. Because someone plays hard for the fans they can't be a bad human being?
IMO Pete Rose should be voted into the Hall of Fame by unanimous vote. It is a shame he is dead and could not experience it while on this earth.
He bet on the Reds, but never against them is what he says. The report that came out said he bet on them 52 times, including games in which he was a player and played in the game.
I see some people saying he never bet when he was a player, but he did at the end of his career.
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