Oregon and Kentucky

[3632]

As an old retired financial advisor, "it not always how much you make but how you spend it." Football at Oregon gets a higher percent of revenue than football does at KY. Basketball at KY gets a larger percent than basketball at Oregon. Most schools think basketball is a lesser important sport than KY. The football coaching staff at UK is way way overpaid.

Yes. We fund basketball and some other sports at a higher clip than our department revenue rankings. Football gets adequate money but it doesn’t get ‘take the next step’ money. We also do not do innovation well.

 

[3632]

Exactly. Yuuuge. It's what Gatorade did for UF for decades. Best thing we could hope for is to recruit and land a huge sports product/marketing Co here in KY.



It's both cool and sad at the same time.



We have the money to compete in the old pac10. We don't have the money or commitment from the fans, boosters, and admin to win the SEC. We don't have football minded fans. We have some. Most don't or can't look at UK Football objectively because of their basketball mindset.

We also don't allocate enough money to football recruiting and we can't just hop on a private jet to recruit the best QB, OL, WR, or other position player in the country.

It’s the AD making choices. He took over and we were way behind in facilities etc in everything. Basketball didn’t have a practice facility while others did, football had nothing, etc. it wasn’t just Olympic sports behind. he chose to start facility building for secondary sports first before the cash cow and basketball which does generate profit at UK. We now have adequate football $ but it’s not the ‘let’s kick this thing in the rear’ level.

 

[hmt5000]

So, endowment funds aren't included in revenue? Because UK has much more revenue.

No but it does show how wealthy your alumni base is. Sports schools are obviously going to give more to sports than academics.

 

[hmt5000]

Texas endowment is misleading, it's for the UT system. I am sure UT Austin provides the vast majority but it isn't just one schools. Stanford is also in the ballpark and could be more than just UT Austin.

Harvard must have some of the Oak Island treasure as they are the largest by a good bit.

Yes but just pointing out alumni base wealth. UT has many millionaire donors. They can come up with money at the drop of a hat. Bama can get money but they rely on everyone giving something. Mich OSU Texas and places like that probably have more millionaire donors than any other school. Stanford has wealthy donors but aren't necessarily sports fans. I don't think most students at stanford even pay tuition... I think their endowment pays for it.

 

[HeismaNole]

Look at Oregon’s facilities. Look at their gear.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

We also don't allocate enough money to football recruiting and we can't just hop on a private jet to recruit the best QB, OL, WR, or other position player in the country.

This is multiplied because there is a limited number of local SEC caliber players. Gwinnette County produces enough SEC level talent to win a NC

Yes but just pointing out alumni base wealth. UT has many millionaire donors. They can come up with money at the drop of a hat. Bama can get money but they rely on everyone giving something. Mich OSU Texas and places like that probably have more millionaire donors than any other school. Stanford has wealthy donors but aren't necessarily sports fans. I don't think most students at stanford even pay tuition... I think their endowment pays for it.

Sanford tuition is based on income, not sure of amounts but below an x amount everything is free, if family is wealthy they pay in full. And you are correct, they put their resources in other programs. All the big Texas schools have big money boosters, mostly from energy industry and can come up with big money quick. Oregon has Phil Knight, not sure where OSU money comes from, vols have some big boosters too. fsu has a lady who come up with some slimming spandex but she can't compete with the really big boosters. Rumor is Miami may have some foreign investors helping them.

 

[sieken]

Texas endowment is misleading, it's for the UT system. I am sure UT Austin provides the vast majority but it isn't just one schools. Stanford is also in the ballpark and could be more than just UT Austin.

Harvard must have some of the Oak Island treasure as they are the largest by a good bit.

The Ivy League schools and probably some others hire really smart economist/investors to run their endowments.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

#1 - Nike/Phil Knight money

#2 - Draw a 800 mile radius around each school. Which one has more schools to compete against in terms of recruiting, etc.

#3 - Competition - Historically, how competitive has the SEC been on a national level compared to the PAC12? Like Saban said recently in regards to the 12 team playoff, "If 9-3 Ole Miss played in any other conference outside the SEC/BIG10, they'd likely be undefeated and in the playoffs."

#4 - Allocation - I might be reaching here, but different schools allocate more funds to different areas. For example, I would be willing to bet that UK allocates much more money from donors/revenue to the basketball program than Oregon does. And you could even say this relative to other conference opponents.....for example, I'd bet that Oregon might have been one of the greatest spenders on football while they were in the PAC12. Whereas Kentucky likely ranks in the bottom 1/3rd of spenders on football in the SEC.

Ole Miss was beaten at home by UK. That team was likely to lay an egg in any conference. That said, there is no way in hell Notre Dame is in the playoff if it played in the SEC. It beat A&M in the first game. Laid its own egg at home against freaking NIU and then played a modest schedule that would have been nothing like what it would have played in the SEC. Heck, two of the “ranked” teams it played were service academies. People complained about IU getting into the playoffs. ND was no better than Ole Miss or Bama.

One difference between a 12 team playoff and a 4 team is that now we argue about which teams we know don’t deserve a shot at the NC but will get the shot, when before we may have (rarely) argued there was one left out that actually did deserve the shot.