***** Official Kentucky - Alabama Game Thread *****

[Midway Cat]

We did have another option, Chandler at least has the size and athleticism to stay in front of somebody, Perry doesn’t.

Chandler did play. 3 TOs and 3 PFs in 17+ minutes. He also got bloodied after getting hit in the face during yesterday's game.

Someone had to fill out the rest of the minutes in the back court, so Perry had to play.

I understand being frustrated by the outcome, but it's incredibly disingenuous to ignore the reality that we were without our three best guards, and Oweh had to go to the locker room early in the game after being bloodied by an elbow.

We just didn''t have a lot of options in this game. Hopefully Butler will be able to come back and give us 20+ minutes in the NCAAs. We desperately need him.

 

[Digger-Cat]

Chandler did play. 3 TOs and 3 PFs in 17+ minutes. He also got bloodied after getting hit in the face during yesterday's game.

Someone had to fill out the rest of the minutes in the back court, so Perry had to play.

I understand being frustrated by the outcome, but it's incredibly disingenuous to ignore the reality that we were without our three best guards, and Oweh had to go to the locker room early in the game after being bloodied by an elbow.

We just didn''t have a lot of options in this game. Hopefully Butler will be able to come back and give us 20+ minutes in the NCAAs. We desperately need him.

Bottom line, Perry plsyed 30 minutes, that's 20 minutes too many against this Alabama team.

By saying Chandler got hit in the face yesterday, so he was… whatever today, is a reach, he's better at all aspects of the game than Perry.

You have zero shot if your pg is Perry for 30 minutes.

 

[Midway Cat]

We had zero shot if we played Chandler 30 and Perry 20. That's fairly obvious, so it doesn't make much sense to keep harping on it.

The reality tonight was that we didn't have other options. If you want to ignore that and complain about Chandler's playing time, feel free. It's just unconvincing and seems extremely short-sighted.

 

[LmdCat]

You are making shit up. I didn't start out routing Perry, I just took exception to the hyperbolic nature of your moaning and bitching about him.
You are as dramatic as one of my teen daughters.
You seem triggered now. Yelling doesn't make you more right.

You can't see or you are simply lying to yourself. Perry's inability to guard anyone greatly negatively offset anything that he does on offense. You should see Perry for what he is instead of what you desire him to be. He was easily the worst player on the court last night and it wasn't even close. If Pope wasn't hiding him by getting the ball to Williams as soon as Perry crossed half court, he would have been completely annihilated. There is nothing about his game that looks remotely close to a capable point guard. Williams is far better with the ball than Perry.

 

[Cleatortoises]

Nobody is yelling, where did you get that? THIS IS YELLING, I never did that.

But I'm making shit up?

And Ihm not 'routing" Perry, what I said is the truth. Figure it out. Pope played Perry 30 minutes. That's 20 minutes too long. Perry can't guard anybody on Alabama, but Pope kept him out there.

Your issue is, you obviously don't know the game, but you want to attack people that do know the game and are telling it like it is.

Don't try to spin it, you think Perry did great because he scored 11 pounts, that's what you said. that told me everything I needed to know. Yeah, he scored 11, but he gave up about 50. Do you understand what that means?

If the truth hurts, get off the internet, or cover your virgin eyes.

Didn't you guarantee -25 for Perry?
I don't know the game? That really hurts.
Still undefeated aren't you?
All keyboard coaches are.
No one said great.
You don't understand the language.

 

[Cleatortoises]

You can't see or you are simply lying to yourself. Perry's inability to guard anyone greatly negatively offset anything that he does on offense. You should see Perry for what he is instead of what you desire him to be. He was easily the worst player on the court last night and it wasn't even close. If Pope wasn't hiding him by getting the ball to Williams as soon as Perry crossed half court, he would have been completely annihilated. There is nothing about his game that looks remotely close to a capable point guard. Williams is far better with the ball than Perry.

I didn't start this.
I actually think he should have gone with chandler.
But if you believe in÷/- he wasn't the worst last night.

 

[LmdCat]

Just FYI:

Perry's +/- tonight was -16

(Oweh was -23, Brea was -20, Garrison was -17)

Perry had 2 total turnovers for the game.

He was overmatched, but he's a freshman, and we didn't have any other options.

Hopefully people can sleep this one off and come back to reality before next week. Plenty left to play for.

Anyone who is trying to be close to honest about any of this realizes that Pope's entire offense was built around keeping the ball out of Perry's hands as much as possible. If Bama had viewed Perry as a threat and spent any of their defensive resources on him, it would have been an even more embarrassing night for Kentucky. Your display of numbers clearly doesn't reveal who was the worst player on the court last night. When your center handles the ball more than your point guard, that says all you need to know about your point guard. HE SUCKS!!

 

[LmdCat]

I didn't start this.
I actually think he should have gone with chandler.
But if you believe in÷/- he wasn't the worst last night.

I fully understand your point. But this is a case where numbers lie. The guys with worst numbers were trying to make something happen and Perry was simply trying to survive. Every time he was blown by on defense for a layup, it resulted in one of our guys forcing something in an attempt to offset the many layups allowed by our embarrassing guard play. Our guards weren't even capable of hitting enough 3 pointers to open up the inside to make it just a little easier for Williams and Carr to operate under the basket.

 

[Digger-Cat]

Didn't you guarantee -25 for Perry?
I don't know the game? That really hurts.
Still undefeated aren't you?
All keyboard coaches are.
No one said great.
You don't understand the language.

That +/- doesn’t encompass just how devastating it is to your team to have a lead pg out there that can't put up any kind of resistance. Alabama got everything they wanted and got wherever they wanted on the floor, especially when Perry was in.
30 minutes for Perry is way too much against a team.like Alabama.
Then, there were times he had Perry, Noah, Garrison and Almonor in there. You just can't do that. You want to know why we lost by 29, those lineups are a big reason.

 

[Digger-Cat]

We had zero shot if we played Chandler 30 and Perry 20. That's fairly obvious, so it doesn't make much sense to keep harping on it.

The reality tonight was that we didn't have other options. If you want to ignore that and complain about Chandler's playing time, feel free. It's just unconvincing and seems extremely short-sighted.

So you would rather have Perry guarding Sears and Philon over Chandler?
Not me, no way. Chandler is 10 times the athlete Perry is.
If Perry was hitting shots, it would he different, but he missed way too many open 3's to justify his 30 minutes.

 

[Digger-Cat]

Just FYI:

Perry's +/- tonight was -16

(Oweh was -23, Brea was -20, Garrison was -17)

Perry had 2 total turnovers for the game.

He was overmatched, but he's a freshman, and we didn't have any other options.

Hopefully people can sleep this one off and come back to reality before next week. Plenty left to play for.

Something I just noticed, you didn't list Chandler's +/-, what was it?

 

[Midway Cat]

Chandler was -13 in 17+ minutes.

Again, he had 3 fouls and 3 TOs in that time.

I do think it's interesting that you act like these statistics are so important to you, yet you can't be bothered to look them up yourself. Meanwhile, you had no problem saying you were "willing to bet Perry was -25[.]"

Also:

If Perry was hitting shots, it would he different, but he missed way too many open 3's to justify his 30 minutes.

Perry was 1/3 on three pointers for the game.

Regardless, beating a dead horse seems to be your thing, so have at it.

 

[Cleatortoises]

Thelat +/- doesn’t encompass just how devastating it is to your team to have a lead pg out there that can't put up any kind of resistance. Alabama got everything they wanted and got wherever they wanted on the floor, especially when Perry was in.
30 minutes for Perry is way too much against a team.like Alabama.
Then, there were times he had Perry, Noah, Garrison and Almonor in there. You just can't do that. You want to know why we lost by 29, those lineups are a big reason.

On this we can agree.
That lineup is not optimal.

 

[Digger-Cat]

Chandler was -13 in 17+ minutes.

Again, he had 3 fouls and 3 TOs in that time.

I do think it's interesting that you act like these statistics are so important to you, yet you can't be bothered to look them up yourself. Meanwhile, you had no problem saying "be willing to bet Perry was -25[.]"

Also:



Perry was 1/3 on three pointers for the game.

Regardless, beating a dead horse seems to be your thing, so have at it.

To be honest, I have no idea where to find those stats, I looked, trust me, I looked.

Yeah, Perry was 1-3 from 3, but he was 2-8 overall. That's not good.

He looked out of place the entire game and get this, he WAS out of place. There is no world where he can even begin to check Sears or Philon and here's another thing, Alabama didn't run a whole lot of iso, if they wanted to, they could have isolated Perry and scored at will.

 

[LmdCat]

To be honest, I have no idea where to find those stats, I looked, trust me, I looked.

Yeah, Perry was 1-3 from 3, but he was 2-8 overall. That's not good.

He looked out of place the entire game and get this, he WAS out of place. There is no world where he can even begin to check Sears or Philon and here's another thing, Alabama didn't run a whole lot of iso, if they wanted to, they could have isolated Perry and scored at will.

You are wasting your time attempting to explain something that should be as obvious as water being wet.

 

[Digger-Cat]

You are wasting your time attempting to explain something that should be as obvious as water being wet.

You're right. It boggles my mind how anyone thinks Perry is the better option against a team like Alabama.
Perry played 30 minutes, we lost by 29. WTF am I missing?

 

[LmdCat]

You're right. It boggles my mind how anyone thinks Perry is the better option against a team like Alabama.
Perry played 30 minutes, we lost by 29. WTF am I missing?

You are not missing anything. I have no issues with the kid, but he just isn't ready nor will he ever be for this level of play. If he wasn't a Kentucky kid, there wouldn't be a single poster attempting to defend any player who plays so poorly. It isn't like Alabama and Oklahoma don't have freshmen on their teams. Matter of fact they do and their play looks nothing like Perry's.

 

[Digger-Cat]

You are not missing anything. I have no issues with the kid, but he just isn't ready nor will he ever be for this level of play. If he wasn't a Kentucky kid, there wouldn't be a single poster attempting to defend any player who plays so poorly. It isn't like Alabama and Oklahoma don't have freshmen on their teams. Matter of fact they do and their play looks nothing like Perry's.

You bring up a good point. I was wondering how anyone could defend playing Perry for 30 minutes over a guy that is better in every way and you probably nailed it, it's because he's a Kentucky kid. I wasn't even thinking about that.

I think Perry could be good in a couple years, but he's not close to ready now.

 

[LmdCat]

You bring up a good point. I was wondering how anyone could defend playing Perry for 30 minutes over a guy that is better in every way and you probably nailed it, it's because he's a Kentucky kid. I wasn't even thinking about that.

I think Perry could be good in a couple years, but he's not close to ready now.

At best, Perry may be someone who can play spot minutes depending on matchups. He comes in for his shooting only. If he isn't making basket, he should go to the bench because he has nothing else to offer. When looking across the SEC you can clearly see how important guard play is and you can't waste scholarships on someone who is playing out of his league.

 

[Digger-Cat]

At best, Perry may be someone who can play spot minutes depending on matchups. He comes in for his shooting only. If he isn't making basket, he should go to the bench because he has nothing else to offer. When looking across the SEC you can clearly see how important guard play is and you can't waste scholarships on someone who is playing out of his league.

That's exactly what I said last night about Perry and Noah in the game thread.

I am thoroughly impressed with both kids, I think they are better than they should be at this point in their careers, but right now, you can't play those guys more than spot minutes in any SEC game.

I'm really confused at why Pope started Perry and even more shocked that he played him 30 minutes. If you told me before the game that Perry was going to play 30 minutes at the 1, I would have predicted we would lose by a very large margin.

I wish I knew what Pope was thinking there, Chandler had been playing so well.

 

[LmdCat]

Florida is getting the wind not out of their sails.