***Talk about "after the fact" - I SERIOUSLY DOUBT that you can find an example of a KU fan / alum/ student, etc. spouting off that Lucas was better than Cauley-Stein - - - that's just ridiculous.
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***Talk about "after the fact" - I SERIOUSLY DOUBT that you can find an example of a KU fan / alum/ student, etc. spouting off that Lucas was better than Cauley-Stein - - - that's just ridiculous.
**LMAO!!!
There's a better chance of KU winning this year by 30 than UK!!!!
The game's not in UK's backyard - it's LITERALLY in KU's gym with a very experienced team (the type that usually advances for Self & doesn't stumble early).
Hey, I'll take a 30 pt. loss any day over a 55 pt. loss.
Right, because the Twins are certainly the rule and not the exception
Bill Self has an amazing ability to tank his recruits draft stocks
Coach Cal has an amazing ability to get guys drafted and improve their stocks throughout the year.
THREE #1 picks in the last 5 drafts. 2 of which were not projected to go that high when they came to Lexington (AD and KAT).
Come on now.
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**And how many has Cal elevated over the course of 3 years (i.e., the Morris twins, Withey, Thomas Robinson, Aldrich, et al.)?
if you are going to other teams message boards starting fights over who is a better developer of talent....its a pretty clear indication you arent winning the things you really care about.
Jesus effing christ. Are our Mods simple? You can't even mention "kentucky" on another forum without a permaban.. And yet we have more and more filth coming in everyday... Please do your jobs. For once.
I'm not even going to comment on the Kansas fan who thinks Kansas is about to hang 30 on US... Post of the month material.
I'm not even going to comment on the Kansas fan who thinks Kansas is about to hang 30 on US... Post of the month material.
Cliff was never cleared to play after his eligibility came into question. The normal procedure is for the university to deem the player "ineligible" but to ask for the NCAA to clear the player. Here is a quote from Self:
“I hate it for Cliff, but it is the reality of it,” Self said. “So he’s not traveling in the tournament as long as he’s not cleared to play. That’s the way it usually works with all guys that are ineligible.”
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/co...-of-kansas/article15306101.html#storylink=cpy
Yeah, I believe the NCAA let the program know they were investigating his eligibility and Self then held him out, so not to jeopardize any future games.
Before you know it Pepperidge Farm will declare Kansas the winner of the WCS recruitment and they'll retire his jersey in AFH .
***I didn't say we'd hang 30 on you all.
You all started that you'd do it again and all I said is that there's a better chance that KU does it to UK at home as opposed to UK doing such at Kansas. That's all I said.
Realistically, I think that's going to be a great & close game and would practically put the line at a "Pick 'em".
**Nah....last year it was the ACC.
Duke & ???????? They'd want to argue for Virginia, Louisville, UNC. Whatever.
I stated that we *could* do it again IF Diallo doesn't play a game. That's a weak and thin front court with out him. And Kentucky just added more bodies over the last few weeks. Conceivably, Kentucky can do the same thing it did last year, run teams into the ground. They have the legs to do that.
BTW, no Diallo means virtually the same team as last year, maybe even worse. Throw in Carlton Bragg, take out Oubre.. Vick might play 4 minutes..
I can't imagine the rest have great feelings about playing Kentucky again...
And stop back pedaling. That's not all you said.
BTW, no Diallo means virtually the same team as last year, maybe even worse. Throw in Carlton Bragg, take out Oubre.. Vick might play 4 minutes..
I can't imagine the rest have great feelings about playing Kentucky again...
And stop back pedaling. That's not all you said.
Are you kidding me KU fan? the ACC set a new league record for NCAA Tournament wins last year. (17-5) while most of the Big 12 teams went splat right out of the gate. Three ACC teams played in the Regional Final. (Those 17 wins btw are one shy of the all-time record which was 18 wins set by the Big East in 1985 when they placed three teams in the Final Four.)
**Yeah, 'cause more experience never led to better teams.
If a team comes back they never improve or anything.
I.e., the bulk of their Championship '08 team was made up of Jrs. - who'd lost in embarrassing fashion their Freshman years in the 1st Rd. to Bradley, then followed that up with an Elite 8 loss to UCLA in San Jose, CA as a 1 vs. 2 game (nothing to scoff at) and then won it all.
Hmmmm, most of this year's team will ALSO be made up of Jrs. (Selden, Mason, Greene, Lucas, etc.). Admittedly, this time they've disappointed in BOTH of the past two offseasons, but they did have some injury concerns excuses to end last season.
Yes, this year could go many different directions, BUT KU tends to have better seasons when they're stocked with a heavy dose of Jrs. & Srs. as they will have this season.
**Agreed. Bad choice on my part. And the Big XII DID have a disappointing NCAA Tournament, BUT you can't just use the - all they do is beat up on each other argument as they FAR AND AWAY had the best Winning% in their nonconference games and quite honestly ONLY KU basically AT Kentucky (yes, Indy slanted heavily geographically in UK's favor) was the lone embarrasing blemish on the BIG XII's nonconf.s late until the Tourney when ISU's lost to UAB was probably the most embarrassing.
Yeah it was clearly a 32 point geographical advantage. You're an idiot.
Plus, you didn't play jack shit in your OOC besides UK. You barely squeaked by 2 overrated teams in Sparty and Utah. If memory serves, KU damn near lost to Utah after being up more than 20 points, too.
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What???
Duke > KU
VA > Iowa State
Notre Dame > Oklahoma
Louisville > Baylor
North Carolina > West Virginia
Each ACC school had a better regular season record AND advanced further in the tourney, with the exception of UNC and WVU which were statistically about the same.
However, the eye test not even close as UNC played Wisconsin very tough and WVU laid down and were beat by > 30, kinda like KU did against UK and Temple.
Your conference is not nearly as good as the media touts it every single year.
Lexington to indy is a 3 hour trip. Lawrence to Indy is a 7 hour trip. Both trips are easily doable in a 1 day drive. KU fans had no excuse for not showing up better in Indy.
And for a team that has won that many big 12 titles in a row, traveling 7 hours shouldn't be an excuse.
And for a team that has won that many big 12 titles in a row, traveling 7 hours shouldn't be an excuse.
There are a couple of better words. See? That wasn't too hard now was it?
guys, I think KU wins by 5 at home but mostly because of their extra practice time over the summer.
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Out of curiosity, I researched & discovered the following facts about home-court advantages at Rupp Arena, Cameron Indoor and Allen FH:
We've averaged 1.66 home losses per season at Rupp over the past 30 seasons (i.e., exactly 50 home losses have occurred in Rupp since then -- the end of the 84-85 season; since the start of the 85-86 season**.)
Duke has averaged 1.30 home losses per season at Cameron Indoor, over the past 30 seasons (39 home losses have occurred [11 fewer than at UK]).
KU has averaged 0.933 home losses per season at Allen FH, over the past 30 seasons (28 home losses have occurred in 30 seasons [22 fewer than at UK, 17 fewer than at Duke]).
(**Note: The 1985-86 season [30 seasons-ago: a nice, round, number] was the first with the shot clock [45 secs.],'blocked shots' stats officially began, and some conferences began experimenting with the 3-pt line -- it would become universal the following season.)
(I wrote down every home loss for these three teams, but I'd rather not re-copy 'em here...and I'm not saying I didn't make any mistakes, but I double-checked everything with the various online resources I had.)
Also, Coach Cal (including last season's 38-1 record) has averaged 3.833 'true road game losses' (i.e., losses on an opposing team's home court) per season, over the past-six seasons (4.0/season, if you were to count the 2012-13 SEC Tourney loss in Nashville to Vandy [which was off campus, in Bridgestone Arena, however, it wasn't a 100% Vandy crowd, so I didn't count it. I also didn't count the Baylor loss, at Arlington, as a 'true road game' loss.)
Coach K has averaged 3.50 'true road game losses', per season, over the past-six seasons. Ps, I love how Duke's tourney games are always in their own backyard (they rarely travel), and how the ACC tourney is always only 50 miles from Durham (in Greensboro).
Self has averaged 3.333 'true road game losses', per season, over the past-six seasons. (minor note: The Big XII has a different set-up than both the SEC and ACC; there are fewer teams [only 10], and so, each season, every team always plays the other nine teams twice - once at home, and once 'away', which has both its perks and its draw-backs, I suppose.)
We've averaged 1.66 home losses per season at Rupp over the past 30 seasons (i.e., exactly 50 home losses have occurred in Rupp since then -- the end of the 84-85 season; since the start of the 85-86 season**.)
Duke has averaged 1.30 home losses per season at Cameron Indoor, over the past 30 seasons (39 home losses have occurred [11 fewer than at UK]).
KU has averaged 0.933 home losses per season at Allen FH, over the past 30 seasons (28 home losses have occurred in 30 seasons [22 fewer than at UK, 17 fewer than at Duke]).
(**Note: The 1985-86 season [30 seasons-ago: a nice, round, number] was the first with the shot clock [45 secs.],'blocked shots' stats officially began, and some conferences began experimenting with the 3-pt line -- it would become universal the following season.)
(I wrote down every home loss for these three teams, but I'd rather not re-copy 'em here...and I'm not saying I didn't make any mistakes, but I double-checked everything with the various online resources I had.)
Also, Coach Cal (including last season's 38-1 record) has averaged 3.833 'true road game losses' (i.e., losses on an opposing team's home court) per season, over the past-six seasons (4.0/season, if you were to count the 2012-13 SEC Tourney loss in Nashville to Vandy [which was off campus, in Bridgestone Arena, however, it wasn't a 100% Vandy crowd, so I didn't count it. I also didn't count the Baylor loss, at Arlington, as a 'true road game' loss.)
Coach K has averaged 3.50 'true road game losses', per season, over the past-six seasons. Ps, I love how Duke's tourney games are always in their own backyard (they rarely travel), and how the ACC tourney is always only 50 miles from Durham (in Greensboro).
Self has averaged 3.333 'true road game losses', per season, over the past-six seasons. (minor note: The Big XII has a different set-up than both the SEC and ACC; there are fewer teams [only 10], and so, each season, every team always plays the other nine teams twice - once at home, and once 'away', which has both its perks and its draw-backs, I suppose.)
You still trying to ride that UK fan bit huh?
Let's sit down son. Have a one on one talk. Why do you do it? Why do you try to keep trying to troll this board? Is Lawrence Kansas that shitty and boring? I don't blame you though. I would too. Hell, Netflix prolly doesn't even work there.
Tell ya now, you're gonna be better off trying to convince a 40 yr old man that Santa exists before anyone on this board believes you're a Cat fan. Best of luck. Cheers!
Percentages are so small those stats look meaningless other than it is really hard to beat these teams at home. Those also show that they can be beaten at home.
UK is everyone's Superbowl. Kansas got whipped by 32 last time. Diallo may not be walking through that door so you better hope those Big 12 refs show up big if he isn't eligible.
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not just january , the end of january and you are right, UK should be caught up by then... I was thinking the game was Jan. 3rd instead of 30th.
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No, LoL...I'm not a KU fan. Just bc I think they'll LIKELY beat us pretty handily in January doesn't mean I LIKE them.
But anyway, below:
follow-up stats, plus, video examples of various 'Blueblood' venues (imho, stats and video evidence carries a lot more weight than zero evidence/fans' sometimes fuzzy memories):
Stats:
Over past-30 seasons, # of homecourt losses (updated with UNC):
UNC: 65
UK: 50
Duke: 39
KU: 28
Over past-six seasons (during CoachCal's tenure), # of 'true road-game' losses at:
UNC: 28
UK: 23
Duke: 21
KU: 20
Now,
Video examples of 'homecourt advantages':
**At UNC: see 0:37 mark of the following Youtube video. Roy called this Marvin Williams bucket the loudest he's ever heard the Dean Dome:
**At UK: Davis' Henson block (0:25 seconds mark):
Wall's game-winner vs. Miami (OH)(0:24 seconds mark):
Wall's early-game dunk vs. UNC (0:18-seconds mark):
Roy Williams quote (Feb. 2015):
"I was a little disappointed more of our crowd didn't have more savvy, but I felt they were asleep most of the day anyway, so it's alright," Williams said. It's not intended to be criticism but it's criticism. We need some dadgum help. We go on the road and people are screaming like banshees or something. Today it's like, every time I yell at a player, they turned around and looked at me. I yelled at a player Wednesday night (at Duke), and he never knew I was freakin' yelling. He thought I was doing exercises. If you want to act like I'm chastising the fans, tell them to come in and invest. Come in and invest. We need some help when we come play back here. We need some more support. My gosh. We're trying to honor the greatest coach I've ever — maybe one of the greatest individuals I've ever known. And I can understand if you didn't recognize it because it sort of went quickly. And it was nice to get a backdoor layup. But don't sit over there and feel like we have to entertain you. This is a team thing."
Plus, I found the following Roy Williams quote, from Jan. 13, 2006 (nine years-ago) -- again, of Roy chastizing UNC fans:
"I don't want to make anybody mad, but Allen Fieldhouse is the best home court advantage I've ever had the opportunity of coaching in, whether I was the home or the visiting coach. People in the buildings are what make the buildings. I'm being very honest. It was nothing for those people to get in their car and drive from western Kansas for a Tuesday night game at nine o'clock. They took pride in that."
**At KU: very long post-game applause - after beating Missouri in 2012:
Music montage of various, KU-crowd reactions (you could skip-ahead to about the 4:19 mark & still see plenty of this long *VIDEO*):
(This link still works... vvvv It just may look different.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KhJF5vvltzU
(In 2013, the NCAA released a promotional statement for KU [and all of college basketball] when they ranked the 'best venues' [AllenFH was 1st]. The NCAA said, "It's twice the size as Cameron, with three times the students sitting courtside.")
**At Duke: 1995 unc @ duke, good crowd, esp. at around the 0:53 seconds mark of this *VIDEO* (Duke lost!):
(This link still works... vvvv It just may look different.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JxsV2wMSao0
But anyway, below:
follow-up stats, plus, video examples of various 'Blueblood' venues (imho, stats and video evidence carries a lot more weight than zero evidence/fans' sometimes fuzzy memories):
Stats:
Over past-30 seasons, # of homecourt losses (updated with UNC):
UNC: 65
UK: 50
Duke: 39
KU: 28
Over past-six seasons (during CoachCal's tenure), # of 'true road-game' losses at:
UNC: 28
UK: 23
Duke: 21
KU: 20
Now,
Video examples of 'homecourt advantages':
**At UNC: see 0:37 mark of the following Youtube video. Roy called this Marvin Williams bucket the loudest he's ever heard the Dean Dome:
**At UK: Davis' Henson block (0:25 seconds mark):
Wall's game-winner vs. Miami (OH)(0:24 seconds mark):
Wall's early-game dunk vs. UNC (0:18-seconds mark):
Roy Williams quote (Feb. 2015):
"I was a little disappointed more of our crowd didn't have more savvy, but I felt they were asleep most of the day anyway, so it's alright," Williams said. It's not intended to be criticism but it's criticism. We need some dadgum help. We go on the road and people are screaming like banshees or something. Today it's like, every time I yell at a player, they turned around and looked at me. I yelled at a player Wednesday night (at Duke), and he never knew I was freakin' yelling. He thought I was doing exercises. If you want to act like I'm chastising the fans, tell them to come in and invest. Come in and invest. We need some help when we come play back here. We need some more support. My gosh. We're trying to honor the greatest coach I've ever — maybe one of the greatest individuals I've ever known. And I can understand if you didn't recognize it because it sort of went quickly. And it was nice to get a backdoor layup. But don't sit over there and feel like we have to entertain you. This is a team thing."
Plus, I found the following Roy Williams quote, from Jan. 13, 2006 (nine years-ago) -- again, of Roy chastizing UNC fans:
"I don't want to make anybody mad, but Allen Fieldhouse is the best home court advantage I've ever had the opportunity of coaching in, whether I was the home or the visiting coach. People in the buildings are what make the buildings. I'm being very honest. It was nothing for those people to get in their car and drive from western Kansas for a Tuesday night game at nine o'clock. They took pride in that."
**At KU: very long post-game applause - after beating Missouri in 2012:
Music montage of various, KU-crowd reactions (you could skip-ahead to about the 4:19 mark & still see plenty of this long *VIDEO*):
(This link still works... vvvv It just may look different.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KhJF5vvltzU
(In 2013, the NCAA released a promotional statement for KU [and all of college basketball] when they ranked the 'best venues' [AllenFH was 1st]. The NCAA said, "It's twice the size as Cameron, with three times the students sitting courtside.")
**At Duke: 1995 unc @ duke, good crowd, esp. at around the 0:53 seconds mark of this *VIDEO* (Duke lost!):
(This link still works... vvvv It just may look different.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JxsV2wMSao0
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Yeah right. Listen idiot, we all know an obvious troll. Look at every one of your posts. You do not hide it well.
We obviously allow KU fans to come here and share their thoughts. You do not have to be a coward and act like a UK fan. Pathetic.
Nothing wrong with being a KU fan.
It's just insulting to all of us when you act like we can't tell.
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