No Surprise. Jamal Murray Selected for Canada's FIBA Team
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I agree with this. The truth is that college is where you want to play if your not trying to hide. Playing in college gives scouts ample time against really good competition to get a good feel for how good you really are. For some players this is a good thing, and for others it isn't. For Murray, I believe this is a good thing. Because when there is a limited sampling, the more important each performance becomes, and then a single bad game can really hurt your stock. However, in college, you can get away with multiple bad games, as long as you have some really good games as well. Murray isn't considered by most to be a top 3 prospect right now, which a year ago, Mudiay was. Not playing college will not help his stock, and will most certainly hurt it, even if it is just a little bit. Not playing in college will almost assure Murray of going at least outside the top 10, and depending on other guards performances over the year, may drop well below that. Playing at UK gives him a chance to prove how good he is, and gives him a chance at a top 5 pick. Should he not play well all year at UK, he would have certainly went higher had he remained an unknown. I expect him to have a solid, to really good year, landing him firmly in the top 10.
Yep. Murray will be at UK. Murray, Murray's father, and Cal have made it clear that if Murray had to choose between the two that he would 100% choose UK. I'm not sure why some are trying to make this into an issue.
Also, both Jay Triano and Steve Nash have stated in published reports they wouldn't do anything to jeopardize Murray's college career. They have and will continue to work with UK on the logistics of the event. I don't know this, but my GUESS is that UK is attempting to get an exemption from the NCAA that would allow Murray to miss the "drop dead" that is required for all student athletes. If the NCAA says no then Murray will either skip the tournament or only play in some of the games.
Are you talking about his Pan Am games performance? Sorry, but that's no guarantee of anything here, as FIBA is a quite different thing and higher level of competition. His pan am team did not have guys like Andrew Wiggins, Cory Joseph, Nick Stauskas, Robert Sacre, Dwight Powell, Kelly Olynick, etc., all of whom have been added for this FIBA team. This team obviously does not need Murray the same way that team did.
I wouldn't be terribly shocked if this dilemma ended up getting resolved on its own with him simply being one of the four training camp cuts. And, frankly, him getting cut could be the best outcome for us UK fans--he'd get a chance to improve himself practicing against NBA players in a real training camp at the end of his summer, and then come to UK in time to start his college career before the drop dead date.
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Mudiay was projected as the #2 or #3 pick before the season started. So he fell a minimum of 4 spots.
And while that $8 million over 3 years looks nice. The #5 pick makes $10 million/3years, and the #3 pick $13 million, the #2 pick $15 million. So at best Mudiay lost $2 million; and, at worst $7 million. That's a pretty significant chunk of change no matter who you are.
He is either just there to practice with the team, and maybe play in the Tuto Marchand Cup, and will leave before the drop dead date and before FIBAs start, or they will somehow get NCAA exemption and he plays the FIBAs. I don't think there is any possibility he would play for part of the FIBAs. Would be crazy to play the latter part of the tournament (especially the semifinals) with an 11-man roster.
Re his chances of making the team, if he is able to play full tournament, I think there would be a very high probability that he makes the roster. The five guards would likely be Joseph, Stauskas, Heslip, Hanlan, and Murray, with English and Scrubb being cut.
The fact that there is no second PG on the training camp roster other than Joseph is leading some to speculate that they have secured an exemption for Murray. The other possibility is that they are confident that Hanlan can handle the point (he played point for Canada in the cadet/junior ranks, but not at BC).
Or he could've went to college and dropped, so how do you know he lost money. If I'm garunteed to go no lower than seventh by not attending college or go to college and maybe go higher or drop, from a business standpoint I wouldn't take the chance, infact I wouldn't have played in China where he had an injury. If it's not all about business and just having fun and experiencing certain things in live I would play. Murrays stock is propably as high as it's going to get presently.
Perhaps, but I'd point out that English started ahead of Murray on the pan am team, and is a seasoned vet and big time player in Europe, so seems a bit presumptuous to just assume Murray beats him out. Don't know anything about Scrubb, but I'm guessin he also must be plenty good to have gotten one of these 16 invites.
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Well there is never any certainty. Players see their stock rise and fall all the time.
Karl Towns was projected about 5-7 to start the year, and rose to #1. Okafor was nearly a lock for #1 overall until around March, and then dropped to #3. Mudiay could have fallen even further than #7 at SMU. However, I think that is unlikely. I think he would have looked better than Russell and would have had a chance to go #2/3. But that's all conjecture and not helpful.
My point is that he dropped from where he was projected. Not a guarantee that he would have been selected there. So I was simply looking at the money he lost based on where he was projected.
whos just playing devil's advocate and who's just a troll? That's a better question for this thread
Yes, English started (but ahead of Heslip - it was Cadougan who started ahead of Murray). but the staff clearly had more confidence in Murray, as he played 126 minutes, to English's 73, and was in for the bulk of the 4th Qs (and OT).
English and Cadougan started out of deference to the veterans, but I would not assume that this has much meaning in predicting who make the FIBA squad. Cadougan started each of the games at the PanAms but didn't even make the training camp roster for FIBAs.
I need someone to be honest please. Is there really a chance he wont be here in a couple weeks or this season?
According to Cal's own words, sounds like yes (see link). Reading between the lines, seems pretty clear that Murray really wants to play for his country in the FIBA tournament, but Cal really does not want him to do so because he could be ineligible because of it. He and his family may have to make a tough decision between one or the other...
Personally, for entirely selfish reasons, I'm kinda hoping he gets cut in training camp only because it'd be the best possible outcome for us selfish UK fans--gets him the valuable training camp experience without jeopardizing his eligibility. And, honestly, does Canada really need him with all the NBA players it has on this roster (Wiggins, Joseph, Stauskas, Nicholson, Powell, Olynick, Bennett, etc.)? Seems to me he can afford to sit this one out, there'll be plenty more opportunities in the future to play for his country.
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I love how "some people" say just because Murray is not at UK 24/7 he does not want to be here...right.
That link doesn't change what I said earlier. If he has to choose between UK and the FIBA tournament, he'll choose UK. His father's comments backs that up.
This is total BS. You should be able to play for your country and College. This is not some unsanctioned pickup game...this is national pride. I don't care that he is playing for Canada and not the US. He should be allowed to do both.
The NCAA sucks more every freaking day!!!!!!
Well, that's one way of looking at it, the other is this: should you be able to claim to be a college basketball player if you're allowed to skip the first month of classes?
That's the basic problem. The NCAA already has a big public perception problem with the way many players quit going to class as soon as the season ends--now imagine how much worse that perception would get if it starts letting those guys not even show up on campus until mid-semester. There has to be a meaningful deadline date for these guys to show up on campus and start attending class if we're gonna dare to claim that they're legit full time college students.
It's just unfortunate that FIBA scheduled the tournament in September, none of this would be a problem if it started just a couple weeks earlier.
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Shouldn't be overlooked that this is a type of goodwill gesture toward the future by inviting him now. Even if he has prior engagements or gets cut as an 18 year old, the 2020 games when he's 22 are where Canada is really interested in him, as well as several Olympics beyond.
They want their guys in the system and to reach out and secure that relationship so they don't strong arm you when they're a high level NBA player.
They want their guys in the system and to reach out and secure that relationship so they don't strong arm you when they're a high level NBA player.
Jamal and his Dad arent't stupid. They want to maximize his exposure and potential before next year's draft - that means playing for UK. Period.
Murray will have multiple opportunities to play for the Canadian Olympic team before he retires.
Murray will have multiple opportunities to play for the Canadian Olympic team before he retires.
Good point.
He is their potential star point guard for 2020. I think that could be when Canada makes some noise in the Olympics. They are still pretty young for the 2016 Olympics.
His dad said he will be at UK. Now there's conjecture that they've all of a sudden realized he doesn't need exposure at UK and playing in this tournament is the logical recourse? Give me a break. They've had the entire spring/summer to figure out how to play this one.
I think some of our fans just like to insult the intelligence of people like Roger and Jamal Murray. They aren't suddenly aware of the Canadian team schedule. They've known the entire time, and somewhere in between that time, they turned down SEVEN (edited for those late to the party) figures to play one season at Kentucky.
I think some of our fans just like to insult the intelligence of people like Roger and Jamal Murray. They aren't suddenly aware of the Canadian team schedule. They've known the entire time, and somewhere in between that time, they turned down SEVEN (edited for those late to the party) figures to play one season at Kentucky.
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if they turned down 9 figures to play one season at uk...then yes i question their intelligence.
Wait... What? Did you just say 9 figures? Seriously, NINE figures? NINE FIGURES???
I suggest you take a moment to re-think the words you just posted and advise us whether that's what you actually meant to say.
I just want to make sure everyone understands 9 figures. 100,000,000. If they turned down 100 million they are stupid
That all depends on whether you count the 2 figures to the right of the decimal. 1,000,000.32 is 9 figures, but just a touch over 1 million.
The million dollar offer talk came from Hoops Hype Canada, and was denied by the owner of the Vegas team that supposedly made the offer.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/las-vegas-dealers-say-they-never-offered-jamal-murray-a-pro-contract/
NORTH AUGUSTA, S.C. — The Las Vegas Dealers semipro basketball team never made a contract offer to incoming Kentucky freshman guard Jamal Murray, according to the team’s president, Cerruti Brown.
“The Dealers have never had communication with Jamal Murray or his family,” Brown told SNY.tv by text.
He added: “We knew of him but never reached out whatsoever. I have yet to be turned down.”
Hoops Hype Canada — the same site which got the date and time of Murray’s college announcement incorrect — said the Dealers had made a “lucrative” offer to Murray.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/las-vegas-dealers-say-they-never-offered-jamal-murray-a-pro-contract/
NORTH AUGUSTA, S.C. — The Las Vegas Dealers semipro basketball team never made a contract offer to incoming Kentucky freshman guard Jamal Murray, according to the team’s president, Cerruti Brown.
“The Dealers have never had communication with Jamal Murray or his family,” Brown told SNY.tv by text.
He added: “We knew of him but never reached out whatsoever. I have yet to be turned down.”
Hoops Hype Canada — the same site which got the date and time of Murray’s college announcement incorrect — said the Dealers had made a “lucrative” offer to Murray.
You're joking, right? So you think the phrase "six figure salary" refers to a homeless person surviving off only one thousand dollars per year?
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My dear UK90,
It has come to my attention that I committed an egregious error. While this is something of an impossibility for one so renown as yourself, it has become something of a habit for me as of late. It is as if my soul is split between two cognitive directions - one of the finite world where one million dollars would equal seven figures; and one of the esoteric world, where one million dollars is represented by nine figures.
I fully apologize to the legions of mathematicians here on this board, especially you. I never intended to cause you any mental strain at my oversight. I hope, in time, you can bring yourself to forgive my numerical iniquities.
With all sincerity and with a hopeful heart,
Son_Of_Saul
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Of course, it is possible that the Vegas owner does not want people to know that he has been turned down and will deny having offered anyone who turned him down.
The whole "I have yet to be turned down" comment makes me think that it actually did happen.
Sounds like something someone would say when confronted with the unpleasant truth.
Or the more likely scenario is just what his father communicated two weeks ago - that he wants to do both and will milk the process as long as possible.
It was called an error on my behalf.
Now, let's try this if it makes you content:
$1.19999999 million.
Happy now, Professor?![[thumb2]](https://ct.yimg.com/mr/uploads/891/1684387.png "Thumbs Up 2 [thumb2]")
Doesn't make me happy or sad either way, I'm just trying to decipher whatever the hell it is you're talking about.
When you originally said he turned down "nine figures", all I could think is this guy is either 1) too clueless to understand what the phrase nine figures means:, or 2) batshit insane. But now that you've apparently changed your claim to "1.199999 million", I'm just curious if you can provide an actual link to back up the claim. So can you?
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Here is what I edited earlier, for your viewing pleasure, since you seem distraught over my mental error. Let me set your delicate world straight with the reposting of my sincere apology:
My Dear UK90,
It has come to my attention that I committed a nearly unforgivable error. While this is something of an impossibility for one such as yourself - so renown and astutely resolved in the art of pursuing important matters of the universe - committing acts of fallibility have become something of a habit for me as of late. It's almost as if - dare I say it - I'm human. The thought disgusts me, as I'm sure it does you. It is as if my soul is split between two cognitive directions - one of the finite world where one million dollars would equal seven figures; and one of the esoteric world, where one million dollars is represented by nine figures.
I fully apologize to the legions of mathematicians here on this board, especially you. I never intended to cause you any mental strain at my oversight. I hope, in time, you can bring yourself to forgive my numerical iniquities.
With all sincerity and with a hopeful heart,
Son_Of_Saul
Ummm..... OK?? Don't really care about whatever your intended point of all those wasted words was, but hey, if you wanna apologize, that's fine by me. Apology accepted. I won't even make you grovel ....at least not this time.
Now back to more relevant matters. Do you have an actual link or any real evidence backing up all the salary offer claims you've been making in this thread?
Now back to more relevant matters. Do you have an actual link or any real evidence backing up all the salary offer claims you've been making in this thread?
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Lost in your bizarre desire to turn the flank of this thread into a trivial pissing match, were two real instances where I acknowledged that I miswrote the number "nine figures" when intending "seven figures". The number I presented was an attempt at casual humor. I thought it was rather obvious.
Indeed, It stands to wonder that you didn't include a third option in discerning where I was coming from - one featuring the human quality for mistakes. Your reduction of options actually says more of your need for arguing than anything else.
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That's all well and good but he's going to be behind all the other guys that have been here all summer.
It doesn't look like he really needed the conditioning to me. He looked like he was in great condition at the pan am games.
But the individual workouts are important too as well as building chemistry with the rest of the team.
Then again the twins and young both arrived late their freshman years as well and ended up in the finals. So maybe ultimately it doesn't matter that much.
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