Just like that poster, yoy have zero evidence to cite that UK isn't competing with NIL as others are.
We are a recent leader for an elite 4* wide reciever from Alabama, among other great 2023 recruiting that is ongoing.
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We are a recent leader for an elite 4* wide reciever from Alabama, among other great 2023 recruiting that is ongoing.
At some point there has to be a cap on how much an individual or a team can make, right? I mean professional teams have salary caps
One would hope so, then we are back to where we were before NIL, these groups that have popped uqp will start handing out money under the table, or in McDonald's bags again. It appears college sports have become the developmental league for MLB, NBA and NFL. Female athletes will be taking a cut when eligibility runs out.
We’ll know one way or the other with this class. NIL was legal for the end of the recruiting season last class but was so new no one knew what was going on. We cannot fall into a recruiter tier with USC and Mizzou below UT, FL and UGA if we want to ever have a shot at the East. Obviously we won’t recruit as well as UGA regardless but we should be nipping at UF’s heels in this department.
You think UF isn't going to recruit very well? They have some elite recruiters on staff including Napier. They are raising piles of NIL cash, UT is throwing money around like they have a printing press, their only problem will be the flying guy. He will think he has earned the right to run the program, and will. He may be on the sideline with a headset on.
No, I do think UF is going to recruit very well. I’m saying if we want to keep competing with them year in and year out, we need to step up our efforts in recruiting so we’re not left behind them. Same with Tennessee. We’ve been better than the consistently in recent years, but they’re going to be throwing around cash and pull in a top 10-12 recruiting class. We need to keep up
Professional teams have a governing body ~ the NFL. NIL has no governing body as of today...
I don't think the player would sue the NCAA. However, I can foresee a player suing the school (AD, HC, etc.) over "lost wages" outlined in their respective NIL Collective contract.
This is going to get real messy, real soon.
If your collective isn’t being ran by a sports agent or a sports lawyer, it’s a disservice.
No like always you are just throwing something out and hoping it sticks, UT threw out 8m to sign a QB. IF you think The flying J guy isn't at the top of whatever the vols call their organization you are dumber than I originally thought, which is dumb as a rock. . The flying J guy has messed with the Browns the entire time he has owned them, you really think in his mind he doesn't own the vols now?
UF raised 5m 1 day, sure it is likely to slow down. But it's going to be a year long process for them. But just like with Pruitt, the vols have a real football coach now. Will you do realize there is a chance Chumlee will follow his habit of regressing every 2nd year.
I really don't know how things are going to shape up with this NIL deal. UT has been playing players for years, just don't have to use McDonald's bags anymore, so naturally they would be ahead in this NIL game. But to live in the cesspool they call Knoxville for 3-4 years they are forced to overpay. The real issue is ATM, if they want, will come in and outbid them for their 8 mil qb who has already proven he will go with the high bidder.
I disagree. You can have big businessmen running it who retained lawyers, law firms, CPAs, etc. as needed.
Thing is, it's unique (the NIL Collectives) in its construction, and I'm sure no two are alike. It's all uncharted waters, and there's no regulatory authority other than non-profit tax guidelines.
It's an F'ing free for all.
If you think UT was the only school paying players and most of all that UGA wasn’t, I have some ocean front property in Kansas I’ll sell you for a bargain. A lot of the big names that were investigated in the Pruitt scandal went to UGA over Tennessee. You think Mims and Mondon and Washington were like “no thanks to 100k. I’ll go to UGA for free”?
Spyre is for profit which is the smartest thing to do. Pay your fair share of taxes and allow your staff to earn a wage and they work harder and the IRS stays off your nuts. The non profits hiding behind the guise of being a 501(c) are the ones that’ll likely get caught up in a RICO scam.
Nobody's safe from RICO (for profit/non-profit) when the Feds go that route, and there are plenty of assets from for profit businesses that have been seized by the Feds. Racketeering & Organized Crime can't hide behind Incorporation (for profit) or 501(c) (for non-profits).
For profits have advantages, and Non-profits have advantages. Just depends on what "advantages" your Collective is looking for.
Do you or anyone else associated with UT have evidence that UGA was handing out money? Of course you don't, just like always throwing stuff on the wall to see if it sticks. If UT had any proof UGA or anyone else was playing they would turn us in, just like the little bitches they are. Like I said, show the proof you have of UGA paying players I will be waiting, meanwhile the cheating trash program that is know as UT is awaiting their sanctions. But the three you specifically mentioned, all are in state guys, Georgia is their home, all within easy driving distance, meanwhile UT is desperate program hoping to matter again. Mims just turned down a big NIL deal to FSU to return to UGA. Of course they were guilty of tampering but lets ignore that. Maybe the vols get bowl eligible this season. How long since they been bowl eligible 2 years in a row?
Who says they haven’t turned you in? And Mims came back to UGA because you have to be in good academic standing to qualify for an immediate eligibility.
Heupel didn’t even recognize that Hendon Hooker was better QB than Joe Milton.
Any chance he's wrong about Wade as QB also?????
Don't bother answering. Rhetorical question.
Not basketball related, even though the headline suggests it is. This is inevitable but exactly why most college fans can't stand NIL. It's really not even the players that will be the problem, it's the people around them.
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NIL agent says Miami hoops star Isaiah Wong will enter transfer portal if NIL compensation isn't increased
Rep for Miami star Wong: Better NIL deal or exit
The NIL agent for Hurricanes star Isaiah Wong says the guard will enter the transfer portal if his NIL compensation isn't increased.
Florida State literally had a starting corner sit out Spring due to unhappiness with NIL payout
He transferred
To Louisville
He transferred
To Louisville
While generally kept quiet, the SEC football/basketball we all grew up loving was paid athletes.
Really, little has changed . . . we now can have public discussions about bidding wars, and tax forms are filed. Players no longer have to skirt the laws on vehicle registration . . . the Vet and SUV don’t have to stay in Uncle Jimmy’sBut I lost the illusion of amateur athletes by my early teen years, receiving details of major payments never publicly outed or punished.
And the knowledge was pretty wide, with everyone saying, “who cares if Bubba’s Mom got a new house . . . .”
Frankly, when I read these threads and folks make broad statements about the loss of “amateurism” I’m a little stunned that many had really held onto the illusion, so deeply.
But I figured out there was no Santa Clause by the age of 4 years by doing the rough math on delivery time . . . . and I knew Santa had no hypersonic reindeer.
I knew a few kids that held onto Santa Clause ‘till ten years old!!!!
Grump...I think you're on to how this probably plays out.
- Bama...this is all they truly care for in their state...we've mostly seen the Bama dudes in tricked out SUVs and gold jewelry for years when it was illegal. Saban all but said Bama is going to buy players to stay on top and it started with Bryce Young's NIL at start of last football season.
- Texas A&M....them getting top class and reportedly $30M for the class was eye opening. I think it is clear they are going to be a top SEC dog for a while in this new world
- UT....they have the Flying J booster with money out give away. THe $8 mil for QB on west coast was eye opening as well
- Auburn...YellowWood man...surely he keeps paying for kids to come there
- Arkansas....Are the Walmart family part of paying for sports out there?
- For the rest of teams....it almost boils down to who has this kind of money and/or major businesses like a Nike, Amazon, Walmart, Apple, etc...that are interested in pushing $$$ into collegiate sports for a university. UK has the Craft family (that reportedly were behind Oscar Tshwiebe coming back to UK)....but I don't see how the state of Ky can compete with the schools above. I don't know the UGA, Florida, Mizz, USC, Miss St, Ole Miss, booster/businesses that can help them compete each year for kids services.
How does a WR from UL end spring practice with rumors that Bama is courting him leave UL and end up at … Bama? Coincidence?
Yeah, I read through this thread and think this may be my last year for season tix. Tell me opposing fan bases won’t be excited to see their DE or LBer blitz and drive the $8 million QB into the turf. In the NFL, most players abide by the “don’t hurt the other millionaire” approach to protect the game and themselves. Why would some college kid care? Maybe smearing the California prep star will make him some endorsement money!
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I get what you’re saying but you missed the mark with my issue about all of this.
I never had any illusions about players getting paid. The bill did not get anywhere near what we are starting to see. What I have zero interest in is watching rich people having a billfold measuring contest. They implemented rules in basically every other form of sports to prevent that contest. So far the NCAA has decided they don’t have a dog in that fight.
I remember reading about our very own Sam Bowie having his own party apartment while still in high school, paid for by one of UK’s Boosters.
The one at Pitt, one of the top players in college returning for next year. I honestly don't see how this model can be sustained.
NIL is just bringing to attention what has always been going on. There have always been backroom deals and $100.00 handshakes...now the best players are just getting more money than before. I believe everyone has paid players over the years, including UK, and have no issue with it.
If what came out yesterday is to be believed… getting stupid honestly
Yeah. Narduzzi is suffering today, but that will be other coaches tomorrow. OTOH, at least the kid will get paid for what he has actually accomplished and not what some recruiting service or coach hopes he can do in a couple of years.
Again, I don't think Bama with the UL WR or UK with the Pitt WR are just cold calling and making offers. These kids are (through family, coaches, advisors) putting out feelers to see if better deals at better schools are available.
I've lived all my last 44 yrs hoping for a UK football program with big enough testicular fortitude to go up to the Biletnikoff Award winner and say "come play here for us!". Fact that it still might happen is so freaking awesome. The money, don't care, it doesn't come out of my pockets, and it wouldn't be going into my pockets if the kids didn't get it.
I've lived all my last 44 yrs hoping for a UK football program with big enough testicular fortitude to go up to the Biletnikoff Award winner and say "come play here for us!". Fact that it still might happen is so freaking awesome. The money, don't care, it doesn't come out of my pockets, and it wouldn't be going into my pockets if the kids didn't get it.
I agree, doubt UK reached out first. Doesn't make it any less unsavory IMO. One of Stoop's quotes that has been one of my favorites throughout this rise in play.... "Make me play you", as we get further into NIL, add in a bunch hanger ons plus schools willing to buy your players, he will be forced to keep that mentality in his hip pocket.
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James Blackmon got 200K forty years ago.
So I don’t know, with inflation . . . .
I’ll admit it is jarring to see a headline that we bid 800K and USC bid 2 million.
The NCAA, Pac 12, and Big 12, I'm sure the other commissioners are onboard as well, realize their power is limited in regulating NIL. They are trying to get the Federal Government's help in doing so.
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SEC, Pac-12 commissioners seek NIL help in D.C.
SEC commissioner Greg Sankey and Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff met with U.S. senators on Thursday to ask for legislative help surrounding name, image and likeness policies.
I am sure this kid would have been a great addition to Robinson and our current WR corps, but I don’t think we need to pay $2 million to attract a new player at that position. I think we will have a good group and if they make names for themselves, I hope they get paid. I don’t blame the kid for taking the money, but no pro sport in this country has this kind of wild free agency.
The alleged $180k we gave to get Anthony Davis 10 yrs ago sure looks like a freaking bargain now don't it?
It was a bargain!!
Why are the NIL numbers higher
Three good reasons I can think of:
(1) Businesses can essentially afford to double what they might have given “under the table,” as they can deduct 40 percent(+) in state and federal tax filings.
(2) The IRS/Feds had to know about these “gifts” of cash, but looked the other way for decades. A smart “donor” in the old days would have to worry about exposure/embarrassment, and recipient families about not reporting the income. Because any bank deposits exceeding ten-thousand dollars cash creates a federal report, “donors” and recipients would have to be cautious about handling large sums of cash.
Ten Thousand a month spread over 48 months equals $480,000.00, so I think that limited the top end. Otherwise, families had to keep large sums of money as cash, and I’m sure some did.
(3) A Relatively Open Market: Info about who had offered what in the old days was likely very hard to come by. While still not as accessible as daily stock market reports, all a USC booster has to do is ask a player what UK has offered, to find out how much it takes to beat the UK offer. So, actual auction-style bidding wars/dick-measuring contests can be had in near-real-time, and those lead to higher prices.
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