NIL and Transfer Portal Mess

[HUBER]

Per their website, 90% goes to the athletes.

Addressing your previous post, sure you can proactively donate to either of the other two organizations but at least from my research that isn’t their model. Their model is to offer the donor something be it an “experience” or raffle.
Sure The 15 is issuing tshirts, hats, pullovers based on giving levels but those are promotional as much as any value back to the donor. Whatever it takes to support UKs NIL efforts but if I’m “donating” say $1000/yr then I’d prefer as much of that $1000 gets to the athlete, not pay for an expensive meal for myself and others and then the change goes into NIL. I can give directly to the charities without having it filtered through other hands.
I’d like to see the participation numbers for each program.

Experiences and events have to be offered at this point because fans simply aren't getting as involved as everyone would like. The Athletes Advantage group has done a fantastic job with the 15 Fund, and even got a jump start on all the other collectives in regards to when they got started, but with that said, are the shirts and pullovers being offered moving the needle enough for fans enough to sign up?

I certainly would love for their to be less expense of events, raffles, etc, for more money to go to the players, but with that said, how many people have signed up for the 15 Fund? Has it reached 1,000 donators yet? And thats with paying to advertise on KSR, and having a more robust marketing budget than the other NIL collectives combined. Are the shirts and pullovers moving the needle enough to get people on board to donate? If not, what do you think will help these collectives to be more successful if not having these events and raffles?

Lastly, I'll say this. There has been no roadmap on how to start or run an NIL collective. So far we have done the best we could do with what we knew at the time once NIL Collectives were allowed, and with many gray areas and questions to be answered. UK has been great to work with, always giving us new guidance and assistance, and also wants to help in what ways they can for all of these collectives to work. Our group has many "regular people" fans who spend a ton of their own time, money, and resources, only to try and help these student athletes, as well as non profit organizations around the state. Its ok if we aren't the collective for you, but please don't discount any of the 3 as they are all trying to help the players and the teams we love to support. Even if you choose not to support Charities For Kentucky, please support at least one of these Collectives as we need all of them to be successful, grow, and continue to help support these student athletes.

 

[Magilla Gorillla]

Notice how quiet they get when they’re busted in a lie. They’re loud when making the accusation, go into hiding when it’s proven wrong. Well until they can think of the next lie to forward Matt Jones agenda.

So we’re clear…

JMI won’t let coaches advertise the collective. FALSE

JMI won’t let coaches do meet and greets.
FALSE

What is the next lie gonna be to forward Matt Jones agenda?

 

[HUBER]

Notice how quiet they get when they’re busted in a lie. They’re loud when making the accusation, go into hiding when it’s proven wrong. Well until they can think of the next lie to forward Matt Jones agenda.

So we’re clear…

JMI won’t let coaches advertise the collective. FALSE

JMI won’t let coaches do meet and greets.
FALSE

What is the next lie gonna be to forward Matt Jones agenda?

I like Matt, and listen to KSR. While I dont always agree with what he says, isn't that life in general? Not going to chastise him over things I don't agree with. Hell, my boys love going to his wrestling events at Country Boy brewing and love the wings at his restaurant.

I just wish he wouldn't always say "the 2 NIL Collectives" on his show when talking about NIL as UK has been very vocal that there are 3, not 2. Drew and Ryan have been very supportive of our collective on twitter, helping get the word out on things we've done, and Drew did an awesome story and video on our Football event last fall on the KSR website. Matt has never talked about Charities For Kentucky on the show even though Todd has reached out before when we have had events. Really not sure why that is, but maybe it's because we haven't paid to advertise on the radio show yet. I don't know, but the reality is KSR is strong and all of these collectives need KSR's support to help get the word out to their listeners, including Charities For Kentucky.

 

[Tf2217]

The KSR tagline is “facts are optional”. They don’t give a damn if it’s right or not all they want is clicks and traffic. Absolutely garbage way to report stuff. But people talk about him and that was the whole goal.

I’ve listened to matt enough to know that there are plenty of times that I question who’s side he’s even actually on.

 

[Magilla Gorillla]

He’s not gonna promote anything he can’t profit off of. He not only doesn’t promote collectives, he spread misinformation. He had his followers believing you weren’t allowed to give to collectives. Another weird lie that was repeated numerous times on this board that came directly from Matt Jones.

 

[Tubbyfan78]

Matt Jones told more NIL lies again today apparently. Quick question for the KSR cult. Y’all say JMI doesn’t let Stoops do appearances for collectives. What exactly is this based on?

How on earth do you think they control anything Stoops does besides his radio show? Why on Earth do you think they would care about making appearances for collectives?

If you're too dense to realize why UK doesnt want its coaches raising money for NIL, then you're too dense to even be having this conversation. Obviously, you're not capable of understanding the dynamics.

 

[Magilla Gorillla]

If you're too dense to realize why UK doesnt want its coaches raising money for NIL, then you're too dense to even be having this conversation. Obviously, you're not capable of understanding the dynamics.

Just saw a video of UK coaches helping to raise money at an NIL event, still spews this ignorant UK doesn’t want its coaches raising money for NIL nonsense. The dynamics are you frauds getting busted lying and forwarding a false narrative time after time.

Also LOL at you thinking UK athletics lives off donations like this is the 70s and 80s. Donations are a tiny part of UK athletics revenue. LOL at your BS narrative you push while claiming to know the dynamics.

 

[CatPatrick13]

And again, for the record I've used Athletes Advantage for NIL with my own business and I like Ryan and the guys there. But do you believe every dollar donated to the 15 Fund goes only to NIL?

No. They say 90% goes to the athletes.

 

[CatPatrick13]

Not completely true statement.

We have numerous people that choose to donate as little as $25 a month to Charities For Kentucky in the form of a non profit donation to our 501C3. All of those monthly donations add up and help secure deals for athletes and the nonprofits we support.

You are correct that the student athlete does not receive 100% of the money as there are costs for events, marketing, etc that must be paid before we pay student athletes and donate to nonprofits. We are completely Pro Bono and have spent hundreds of our hours way from our families working on this, as well as donating thousands of dollars of our own money to help get the organization off of the ground just to support these student athletes. I can say 110% we are doing everything the correct and legal way as we have attorneys and accountants that are involved in other high level non profits that are helping us with everything. When you donate to Charities For Kentucky, your donation is 100% Tax Deductible, UK Student Athletes win, and area non profit organizations who give Kentuckians amazing services and support wins.

https://charitiesforkentucky.org/donate/

In Regards to Coaches at NIL Events, we had 3-4 Football Coaches at our last NIL Event that also had 10 Football Players present. JMI never said a thing to us or them about being in attendance and UK was supportive of that event and everything we are working on now. We didn't request any form of player in UK Jerseys or us UK's logo for any of our advertising, so maybe that's why. When I did our first NIL stuff with Bully and Jager for my business, I knew I couldn't use UK's logos then either, but cared less about the logos and more about supporting the players. I get it, I would have loved to had the guys in UK gear for the marketing we did with them, but UK has to make money off of their ownership rights to and that money helps to pay coaches salaries and facility upgrades.

Todd and I have met with the UK Athletics Department numerous times, most recently a few weeks ago before Christmas, and they very much want to do everything they can within the rules to help us all be successful.

Furthermore, and unlike the division that's been created by many fans of what is a real collective or not, or which gives the most money to the players, the reality, Todd, myself, and our board want all 3 of UK's collectives to be extremely successful. When these collectives win, the student athletes win, and the teams we love to support wins.

Probably what upsets me the most are the "fans" who complain about UK's NIL collectives, but haven't donated a dollar to any of them. Maybe part of the problem isn't UK, JMI, etc, it's the fan base.

OK, off my soapbox for now. We are working on some very exciting things and can't wait to announce them soon.

Thanks for this. Good info. Although I will say one of these collectives, was formed as a result of frustration of no leadership coming from our AD. The fact that this guy picked up the ball and took his own initiative , was awesome.

 

[rqarnold]

He’s not gonna promote anything he can’t profit off of. He not only doesn’t promote collectives, he spread misinformation. He had his followers believing you weren’t allowed to give to collectives. Another weird lie that was repeated numerous times on this board that came directly from Matt Jones.

Dude, you need new hearing aids. Matt never said you couldn’t give to collectives…every show is on podcast. Go find that podcast. He said early on, multiple occasions that people who wanted to give and didn’t know where they should be doing so. My first hearing of The 15 was a quick ad that played in the stadium this fall. It was weeks later before I received anything from UK about doing so.
I sure as hell receive requests every week if not more often to give to UK by mail, email and phone.
Matt’s frustration has been they have tried to put together events to promote NIL and they (UK/JMI) has blocked the coaches from attending/participating. So UK/JMI has allowed the coaches to attend charity events…they have done charity events every year NIL or not. The coaches have said they are willing to do the events but not allowed. That is the issue.
Did you notice that Todd didn’t want to say how much of the charity event proceeds went to NIL? When asked direct questions if it’s a problem that the coaches are being prohibited from activities they would like to do…he ignores the question and says he just wants UK to be successful blah, blah, blah. It’s obvious he doesn’t want to wrinkle anyone’s feathers.

 

[Magilla Gorillla]

Dude, you need new hearing aids. Matt never said you couldn’t give to collectives…every show is on podcast. Go find that podcast. He said early on, multiple occasions that people who wanted to give and didn’t know where they should be doing so. My first hearing of The 15 was a quick ad that played in the stadium this fall. It was weeks later before I received anything from UK about doing so.
I sure as hell receive requests every week if not more often to give to UK by mail, email and phone.
Matt’s frustration has been they have tried to put together events to promote NIL and they (UK/JMI) has blocked the coaches from attending/participating. So UK/JMI has allowed the coaches to attend charity events…they have done charity events every year NIL or not. The coaches have said they are willing to do the events but not allowed. That is the issue.
Did you notice that Todd didn’t want to say how much of the charity event proceeds went to NIL? When asked direct questions if it’s a problem that the coaches are being prohibited from activities they would like to do…he ignores the question and says he just wants UK to be successful blah, blah, blah. It’s obvious he doesn’t want to wrinkle anyone’s feathers.

It’s obvious that you’re a fraud who puts Matt Jones ahead of UK. Your only interest is promoting a false narrative and trying to put down and question people who are universally respected and do real NIL work.

 

[HUBER]

Dude, you need new hearing aids. Matt never said you couldn’t give to collectives…every show is on podcast. Go find that podcast. He said early on, multiple occasions that people who wanted to give and didn’t know where they should be doing so. My first hearing of The 15 was a quick ad that played in the stadium this fall. It was weeks later before I received anything from UK about doing so.
I sure as hell receive requests every week if not more often to give to UK by mail, email and phone.
Matt’s frustration has been they have tried to put together events to promote NIL and they (UK/JMI) has blocked the coaches from attending/participating. So UK/JMI has allowed the coaches to attend charity events…they have done charity events every year NIL or not. The coaches have said they are willing to do the events but not allowed. That is the issue.
Did you notice that Todd didn’t want to say how much of the charity event proceeds went to NIL? When asked direct questions if it’s a problem that the coaches are being prohibited from activities they would like to do…he ignores the question and says he just wants UK to be successful blah, blah, blah. It’s obvious he doesn’t want to wrinkle anyone’s feathers.

Russell, I’ll make sure to tag you on Twitter for our next Charities For Kentucky event and hope you can make it out to support these student athletes. I'm fairly sure some coaches will be present as well if that's your thing.

 

[Tubbyfan78]

Russell, I’ll make sure to tag you on Twitter for our next Charities For Kentucky event and hope you can make it out to support these student athletes. I'm fairly sure some coaches will be present as well if that's your thing.

Which coaches have been showing up? Also They are not allowing coaches to market these events. You’re right they can’t stop anyone from going to a public place. There is a reason why they’re not out marketing these events. Because someone isn’t allowing them to do so.

 

[Magilla Gorillla]

Which coaches have been showing up? Also They are not allowing coaches to market these events. You’re right they can’t stop anyone from going to a public place. There is a reason why they’re not out marketing these events. Because someone isn’t allowing them to do so.

Stoops literally has an ad promoting The 15 Club. They can advertise collectives but not events? Where exactly do you get your claim that they’re not allowing coaches to market events? Did you hear this from a coach?

Notice how desperate they are to keep promoting the lie.

 

[rqarnold]

Stoops literally has an ad promoting The 15 Club. They can advertise collectives but not events? Where exactly do you get your claim that they’re not allowing coaches to market events? Did you hear this from a coach?

Notice how desperate they are to keep promoting the lie.

So, your comments on JMI not allowing Devin Leary to appear on the pre-game show?

You’re in a hole you’ve dug for yourself, so do you keep on digging?
The complaint is that UK/JMI is preventing coaches and now it looks like players from participating in events and promotions that the coaches and players would like to do. Is it any/all events and promotions? No. It looks like charity events, something they have done for years are ok…of course they need to sign off on those too. But charity events are generally pretty local in scope and have limited reach. Meanwhile there is a statewide media presence that would like to use their leverage and influence to promote these players and a collective…at the behest of the players and coaches and THAT is being stymied.
We all understand you have Matt Jones envy so you’ll go to the ends of the earth to try and discredit him but to try and convince anyone there aren’t problems is the hill you want to die on? 🤔

 

[rqarnold]

Russell, I’ll make sure to tag you on Twitter for our next Charities For Kentucky event and hope you can make it out to support these student athletes. I'm fairly sure some coaches will be present as well if that's your thing.

Sure thing. Still, how does that address the problem with the legitimate issues with UK/JMI blocking coaches/players from other events and appearances?

 

[Magilla Gorillla]

So, your comments on JMI not allowing Devin Leary to appear on the pre-game show?

You’re in a hole you’ve dug for yourself, so do you keep on digging?
The complaint is that UK/JMI is preventing coaches and now it looks like players from participating in events and promotions that the coaches and players would like to do. Is it any/all events and promotions? No. It looks like charity events, something they have done for years are ok…of course they need to sign off on those too. But charity events are generally pretty local in scope and have limited reach. Meanwhile there is a statewide media presence that would like to use their leverage and influence to promote these players and a collective…at the behest of the players and coaches and THAT is being stymied.
We all understand you have Matt Jones envy so you’ll go to the ends of the earth to try and discredit him but to try and convince anyone there aren’t problems is the hill you want to die on? 🤔

You remain clueless. UK controls players media appearances not JMI first of all. UK gave first interview to its official partner. They didn’t say he couldn’t interview with your god Matt Jones, they gave the first interview to an official partner. Because he has to wait you frauds make up a lie that JMI isn’t allowing him to interview with dear leader. How pathetic. Ultimately he can interview with whatever organization he wants.

What control could you possibly think JMI has over Devin Leary? Make it make sense sheep. How the hell can they tell Devin Leary what he can and can’t do? Matt Jones just wants privileges for free thatothers paid for.

Look at the KSR sheep crying about NIL and minimizing the work of an actual collective doing an actual NIL event. They should be celebrated applauded and their collective should be promoted. https://charitiesforkentucky.org/ Instead the KSR sheep choose to attack them because KSR comes first to the cult. Look at Todd Harris’ twitter account , full of attacks from KSR sheep.

They will be attacking Justin Rowland next.

 

[rqarnold]

You remain clueless. UK controls players media appearances not JMI first of all. UK gave first interview to its official partner. They didn’t say he couldn’t interview with your god Matt Jones, they gave the first interview to an official partner. Because he has to wait you frauds make up a lie that JMI isn’t allowing him to interview with dear leader. How pathetic. Ultimately he can interview with whatever organization he wants.

What control could you possibly think JMI has over Devin Leary? Make it make sense sheep. How the hell can they tell Devin Leary what he can and can’t do? Matt Jones just wants privileges for free thatothers paid for.

Look at the KSR sheep crying about NIL and minimizing the work of an actual collective doing an actual NIL event. They should be celebrated applauded and their collective should be promoted. https://charitiesforkentucky.org/ Instead the KSR sheep choose to attack them because KSR comes first to the cult. Look at Todd Harris’ twitter account , full of attacks from KSR sheep.

They will be attacking Justin Rowland next.

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There aren’t any lies being told dumb dumb and nobody isn’t applauding any other collectives that are working for UK athletes.

It is a fact that UK/JMI blocked Leary from an appearance on KSR that he (via his agent) requested. It is a fact that UK/JMI rejected a request that coaches be allowed to participate in an event to promote The 15.
You can rationalize or try to apply reason as to why those appearances were denied but the fact remains they were.
It is a fact that Devin Leary appearing on KSR adds more value to his NLI than appearing at a bowling event as one has an audience of 100 or so vs 10s of 1000s. His agent obviously believes that appearing on KSR adds more value than being interviewed on a UK media partner as he asked for KSR first.

The facts are that UK’s media partners aren’t set up, don’t have the bandwidth to market dozens of athletes on anywhere near the level that KSR can do. Producing games for broadcast isn’t the same as promoting individuals. A 2 minute promotional video isn’t/doesn’t have the same reach and impact as a 2 hour show that can reinforce the message over and over.
So what if the first interview the official partner wants to do is 6 weeks away when Spring practice starts…should he be forced to wait until then to go on KSR?
Time is money. If his appearance results in 100 people in joining the collective but that appearance is delayed 2 months then that’s 2 months of donations that were missed.