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First off ant this sport just go away for 1 month? I mean good lord it's in overdrive every month, but here I am with something NFL related to talk about....


What an offseason already and it's not close to over with the draft over a month away.

Suh to Miami

Maclin to the Chiefs

Revis to the Jets

Gore to the Colts

Ngata traded to the Lions

Graham traded to Seattle

McCoy traded to Buffalo

Marshall traded to the Jets

Bradford traded to Philly

Foles traded to STL

Patrick Willis and Jake Locker retire


All on the 1st day of FA, crazy start.
 
After the Titans send out a promisory note of full-throttle aggression in free-agency to the season ticket holders and bumping up the first installment due date a week, the most exciting thing to culminate is signing two depth players at positions we don't even need and a 25 year old former starting qb's retirement.

Seriously, I'm about ready to call American Express and dispute the charge. For the love of God, hurry up and sell this thing you stupid, fat piece of shit. Its hard to believe but the old man's descendants are even more clueless than he was.
 
A couple of these are not surprising. The Chiefs needed someone who could catch passes - Maclin gives them a boast. Revis back to the Jets has been rumored for some time. Kept hearing Suh would be impossible to keep in Detroit. The rest of these are surprises to me, especially Graham to Seattle.
 
I'm personally shocked that Jake Locker retired at only 26 years old. Sure, he'd never be a starter again, but he could've made decent money as a backup somewhere. Backup QB is the best gig in all of sports IMO. Get paid a couple million a year to practice with the 2nd/3rd team. Never have to worry about injuries. Dress on game days and have the best view ever for every single game.
 
The reason it was hard for us to keep Suh is because everyone knew a team like Miami would over pay. Also the fact that his rookie contract was so deferred(or whatever the term is) that this years "normal" salary was going to be like 21M, so the franchise tag was going to bump it to 26M for one yr meaning we had to let him loose and let teams try and overpay.

I'm more than happy getting Ngata as a replacement. Based on suspensions etc I'm not sure we don't have a better player for the money.

I am extremely intrigued in Philly, I mean Sproles, Matthews, and Cooper can make it happen sure......but losing McCoy, Maclin and Djax within 14 months as well as any QB that has had any history there in the past 4 yrs. Chip has finally made it his team, but on paper there is no chance the owners can be happy about anything except a complete fingers crossed belief in "the system".

DeMarco Murray and Philly with mutual interest, well ok.
 
If I were on my deathbed and could give my son one last piece of advice that I needed to be 100% infallible, it would be this: "Do not bet on any team to make the playoffs that is counting on Sam Bradford as its starting QB."
 
Look for the Pats to resign Revis longterm in the next couple of days and then pick up Andre Johnson and a few other veterans on the cheap after the bug stuff has blown over. They will again be one of the best in the league at free agency and the draft.
 
Originally posted by dgtatu01:
Look for the Pats to resign Revis longterm in the next couple of days and then pick up Andre Johnson and a few other veterans on the cheap after the bug stuff has blown over. They will again be one of the best in the league at free agency and the draft.
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Uhh what?
 
Revis signed with the Jets and Andre is about to sign with the Colts.
 
In shock the Rams found someone that would take Bradford's contract off their hands much less get a pretty good QB AND a draft pick back in return. Netted over $11m in cap savings with the move.

Add Worlids to list of young guys walking away from large contracts to retire.
 
Originally posted by DMILLER1:
I'm personally shocked that Jake Locker retired at only 26 years old. Sure, he'd never be a starter again, but he could've made decent money as a backup somewhere. Backup QB is the best gig in all of sports IMO. Get paid a couple million a year to practice with the 2nd/3rd team. Never have to worry about injuries. Dress on game days and have the best view ever for every single game.
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I think he could have started somewhere (right situation), IF he could stay healthy. He has the skills. He has had the unfortunate situation of playing for some bad teams with horrible offensive coaches. He wouldn't likely sign as a starter anywhere, but I think he could be a really good backup.
 
Originally posted by catsJONky:
After the Titans send out a promisory note of full-throttle aggression in free-agency to the season ticket holders and bumping up the first installment due date a week, the most exciting thing to culminate is signing two depth players at positions we don't even need and a 25 year old former starting qb's retirement.

Seriously, I'm about ready to call American Express and dispute the charge. For the love of God, hurry up and sell this thing you stupid, fat piece of shit. Its hard to believe but the old man's descendants are even more clueless than he was.



As a Titans fan, I agree with this. Titans GM is also clueless, and I'm starting to think Mike Munchak was a lot smarter than I realized he was.
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I'm a casual Saints fan... very surprised to pop open the laptop this morning, and see sports headlines about the Graham-to-Seahawks deal!?!
 
Look for the 49ers to re-sign Frank Gore and the Lions to re-sign Ndamukong Suh today. Also look for Patrick Willis to have his best year in SF, Jimmy Graham to have his best year in NO and LeSean McCoy to have his best year in PHI.


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I think Chip Kelley is a mad genius. My early favorite for NFC Champs.




Of course I reserve the right to change my mind when Bradford inevitably goes down with a season ending hang nail injury in week 3.
 
The Colts are the winners of free agency. They improved an already great passing game, and they now they should have a reliable run game. Andrew Luck must be one happy man.
 
Can't tell if I like Ryan Pace yet. Thought Marshall was worth more than a 5th, yes he's old but he's damn good
 
Originally posted by UK_Norm:
The Colts are the winners of free agency. They improved an already great passing game, and they now they should have a reliable run game. Andrew Luck must be one happy man.
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Not sure I agree with this, yet!

Revis/Marshall to me is better and will last longer than Gore/AJ. Now if you talking about 1 year impact I guess you could be right. Colts were a playoff team, and if their defense holds up they SHOULD be playoff contenders, meanwhile I'm not sure the Jets are even playoff caliber yet.
 
Originally posted by wkycatfan:
Originally posted by catsJONky:
After the Titans send out a promisory note of full-throttle aggression in free-agency to the season ticket holders and bumping up the first installment due date a week, the most exciting thing to culminate is signing two depth players at positions we don't even need and a 25 year old former starting qb's retirement.

Seriously, I'm about ready to call American Express and dispute the charge. For the love of God, hurry up and sell this thing you stupid, fat piece of shit. Its hard to believe but the old man's descendants are even more clueless than he was.



As a Titans fan, I agree with this. Titans GM is also clueless, and I'm starting to think Mike Munchak was a lot smarter than I realized he was.
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Titans have been in the tank since parting ways with Jeff Fisher. Whatever's going on down there now is a far cry from the days of Floyd Reese and Fisher.

And they have been chasing a franchise QB for 10 years. Surely they're not going to do it again this draft. Say what you will about Jay Cutler, but the entire direction of the franchise would be completely different today had they drafted him in 2006 instead of Bud's boy Vince Young...
 
Originally posted by krazykats:

Originally posted by UK_Norm:
The Colts are the winners of free agency. They improved an already great passing game, and they now they should have a reliable run game. Andrew Luck must be one happy man.
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Not sure I agree with this, yet!

Revis/Marshall to me is better and will last longer than Gore/AJ. Now if you talking about 1 year impact I guess you could be right. Colts were a playoff team, and if their defense holds up they SHOULD be playoff contenders, meanwhile I'm not sure the Jets are even playoff caliber yet.
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I have to agree with Norm on this one. I think Gore and AJ each still have a year left in the tank. Neither is what they used to be but they will still command respect from the D respectively. And the Colts D was middle of the pack last year. Just a slight improvement on that side of the ball and they are legit SB contenders.

The Jets signing Marshal is irrelevant because they don't have a decent QB to throw him the ball. And he has a history of flipping out when he doesn't get the ball. And their running game is non-existent. Revis is still good...but his best is in the past. And overall their D isn't the same D that carried them to two straight AFC Championship games...far from it actually...even with the addition of a past-his-prime Revis. The Jets are no where near being a SB contender.

Advantage - Colts
 
Agree that the two players NYJ picked up are better than the two players Indy picked up.

But I still think Indy is having the best offseason, because they made themselves super bowl contenders while the Jets will still suck.
 
For me the NFL offers certainty in a world of chaos....As a guy that would really like to follow the bengals (if they'd give half a reason to do so) you can count on them to:

1 Never do ANYTHING significant to improve their team though every other team in the NFL is;
2 Sell the front office line about being "competitive". Sounds good until you realize being "competitive" means just good enough to have a winning record or have a shot at winning the division. There is NO commitment to doing what it takes to be a SB contender.
3. As for the comment re: Jake Locker.....He and Andy Dalton are from the same mold.
 
Vikes get Mike Wallace from Miami, BKH you have to love that!

This post was edited on 3/15 7:17 AM by krazykats
 
Originally posted by krazykats:
First off ant this sport just go away for 1 month? I mean good lord it's in overdrive every month, but here I am with something NFL related to talk about....
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Yeah. That is why I can't stand watching ESPN. They never take a break from this sport...NEVER! The playoffs ended like five or six weeks ago and then all you hear is draft reports, combine discussions, Mel Kiper on every day, then free agency, etc. I can't do it. Basketball and baseball should have them shutting their mouths.
 
Originally posted by Zakk Wyldcat: Titans have been in the tank since parting ways with Jeff Fisher. Whatever's going on down there now is a far cry from the days of Floyd Reese and Fisher.

And they have been chasing a franchise QB for 10 years. Surely they're not going to do it again this draft. Say what you will about Jay Cutler, but the entire direction of the franchise would be completely different today had they drafted him in 2006 instead of Bud's boy Vince Young...
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I agree about Jeff, but the personnel problems started to surface when the old man inexplicably ran off Jeff Diamond and Reece took over. It's no secret that Fisher and Reece did not get along. Reece was Adams' puppet and Fisher had had enough of it, VY was the last straw and the Munchak hire to replace Fisher was as good Ol' boy garbage as you'll get.

It's not going to get better until the Adams' sell the team, hopefully to someone who views it as something more significant than a billion dollar nuisance and personal ATM machine, and get the hell out of the picture altogether.

I hate Peyton Manning as a lifelong rival of both my teams but if the rumblings prove true, I'd have no problem with his group taking over after he retired and turning it into a formidable franchise again, run by actual, you know, football people and not fat, useless oil heirs without the first clue of how to run a professional sports franchise.
 
Bengals bring back Michael Johnson. He was certainly a pretty good player while he was there before, but I can't help but to be curious as to why Tampa would cut him after only one year.
 
So I get another email today about all of the upgrades to the stadium as some sort of incentive to keep coming to LP Field, proving these idiots don't get it. I don't give two fat turds that you're creating more concessions and replaced the mechanicisms of the high speed elevators, nor the increased bandwidth of the in-stadium WiFi. Put a f'ing team on the field that doesn't average double-digit home losses and people besides a few thousand visiting fans will show up. TitanUp
 
Originally posted by ram1955:
For me the NFL offers certainty in a world of chaos....As a guy that would really like to follow the bengals (if they'd give half a reason to do so) you can count on them to:

1 Never do ANYTHING significant to improve their team though every other team in the NFL is;
2 Sell the front office line about being "competitive". Sounds good until you realize being "competitive" means just good enough to have a winning record or have a shot at winning the division. There is NO commitment to doing what it takes to be a SB contender.
3. As for the comment re: Jake Locker.....He and Andy Dalton are from the same mold.
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I don't think the Bengals had a terrible offseason. They resigned Boling and Maualuga, that should count for something. Brining back your own guys is crucial. Boling is a good offensive lineman and Maualuga had perhaps his best year of his career. They signed Michael Johnson who was a solid contributor at a position of need for them. They didn't turn heads this free agency period but they made solid moves.

Who out there would you be willing the Bengals get and also give them the contract they got? Revis got paid an absurd amount. Andre Johnson is making $7 million a year for the next 3 seasons. I would have been happy with getting Fairley at the price the Rams did considering it was a one year deal. However, most free agents are going to be overpaid. I'd rather the Bengals not overpay for above average players that may not help them get over the hump.

You also have to consider who the Bengals have coming up to resign next year. AJ Green, Leon Hall, Andre Smith, Andrew Whitworth, Reggie Nelson, Dre Kirkpatrick, George Iloka, Marvin Jones, Emmanuel Lamur, Kevin Zeitler and Mohammed Sanu are all free agents at the end of next year. I'd much rather the Bengals do what they are doing this offseason and commit to bringing back some of those guys. Signing a big free agent this season means they probably lose 2-3 key players. I honestly did not see any free agents out there that would make realistic sense for the Bengals and also make them contenders. I would've loved to get Suh or Greg Hardy but neither of those scenarios were remotely possible.
 
My concern about their resigning current players is that current players have not demonstrated they can get the bengals deeper in the play-offs. Likewise for not going for free agents because they will have players whose contracts will be up for renewal: Those players are not getting it done. When you say signing players like Suh or Hardy was not remotely possible...why is that? I'd take Suh over most if not all of our current d line. If you get a Suh, you can afford to let someone go. Other teams are going after the likes of L McCoy, Suh and others...not the bengals. What about Peterson? Never the bengals. Not to mention that we are severely limited at qb.

From my perspective, it seems the only issue re: money is brown's willingness to spend it. Obviously, there's more to the $ side that we don't see. IMO, the bengals are satisfied with being competitive enough to sell tickets... A championship never seems to be the objective as it is with some other franchises. I don't want to just be competitive....I want them to do whatever it takes to get to the SB.....Historically, they have not been inclined to spend that kind of money.

Do you see them as being Super Bowl contenders with their current roster?
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Suh got a $100 million contract I believe. He's good but that's a huge price to pay especially since the Bengals already gave Dalton a huge deal and Geno has a big deal for DTs. They aren't going to put $150 million into the DT position. Hardy wasn't an option because of his legal issues. Bengals have steered away from that for the most part.

The current roster may not be Super Bowl contenders in the past but they've been good enough to have a string of postseason births. You don't blow up the core of 4 straight playoff appearances. Do you realize how hard it is to rebuild in the NFL? Bills, Dolphins, Jags, Vikings, Jets, Browns, Titans, Bucs, Rams, and Raiders are just a number of teams that have had trouble rebuilding. You don't make an overhaul because you don't win a Super Bowl. You add pieces that fit when you can and try to draft well which they've done. There was no free agent that I thought the Bengals should throw a huge deal at. They'll draft the players they need and try again. I think this roster is good enough to win a Super Bowl. I think the head coach is not good enough. And remember the team was gutted with injuries last year. Essentially the Bengals are adding Burfict, Eifert and Marvin Jones to a 10 win team.
 
Exactly, Bengal fans for some reason are the most sensitive fans on earth. Their whole core is 26-28 yrs old or less and the AFC has 1 player that will be in place for along time and that is Luck. Brady and Manning have 1 maybe 2 yrs left of legitimacy then who? The Bengals will get to that point.
 
Understand you position. I, too, have doubts re: the coach. As for Dalton,IMO... he just doesn't have the look of a Manning (either), Luck, Brady, Brees, Rogers, etc.... or any other SB calibre qb. Do you believe him to be sufficient to lead this or any team to the promised land?

You're right that they've had a string of play-off appearances, but each was an early out. Is that core group capable of going significantly deeper in the play-offs? What pieces are missing?

I've never been a die-hard bengals fan as each time I've embraced them, they quickly returned to also-ran status. I'd love to feel comfortable enough with the organization to truly embrace them.
 
Originally posted by ram1955:

Understand you position. I, too, have doubts re: the coach. As for Dalton,IMO... he just doesn't have the look of a Manning (either), Luck, Brady, Brees, Rogers, etc.... or any other SB calibre qb. Do you believe him to be sufficient to lead this or any team to the promised land?

You're right that they've had a string of play-off appearances, but each was an early out. Is that core group capable of going significantly deeper in the play-offs? What pieces are missing?

I've never been a die-hard bengals fan as each time I've embraced them, they quickly returned to also-ran status. I'd love to feel comfortable enough with the organization to truly embrace them.
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I think Dalton is better than he gets credit for. He's not a great QB he'll never be elite and that's ok. Only 5 QBs can be in top 5 every year. You don't need one of them to win a Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl and Dan Marino never did. Winning Super Bowls is not about the QB that you have, it's about the team that you have. The Bengals can certainly win with Andy Dalton, they've done it for 4 years. They just won't win with Dalton throwing for 350 yards and 3 TDs every game. They need a running game and defense, 2 things they've addressed this offseason in bringing back Boling and signing Johnson and Hawk.

The pieces that are missing are pass rusher opposite Dunlap. I think they could use another linebacker but Lamur was decent enough and is young. I think Dupree would be a great fit for the Bengals. They are going to need help in the secondary as Newman, Jones, and Hall are getting old. I'd be fine with drafting another CB early in the draft. I also think they need a deep threat at WR. Someone you is extremely fast and can outrun corners. They don't really have that in Green, Jones, or Sanu. Green can go up and win a jump ball but he isn't going to outrun the secondary like a Torrey Smith. They can get that in the draft I'm sure.

The core group is certainly good enough to make a run in the playoffs. It hasn't happened for various reasons but they can do it. It's a matter of actually doing it. The Bengals have won 40 games in 4 years with Andy Dalton at QB. That's pretty good and never been done before in franchise history. If you can't feel comfortable with the Bengals now, I don't think you ever will. A playoff win would be extremely satisfying but let's not act like the Andy Dalton era has been a failure because it's been a big success.
 
I actually like the direction of the Titans despite some around here that are sick of them. Orakpo and Morgan will help, and if they can stay healthy(all teams can say this) then the line will be solid, as a matter of fact the front 7 would be solid! Then they added one of the better DBs in Perish Cox who was as good for the 49ers as could have been until they hit the tank. So really the defense overall should be better which means that 2nd overall pick can go in any direction.

They have some pieces in place on offense but also have a lot of question marks. I'm not sure if Justin Hunter is still but Leon Washington/Kendall Wright decent but not great at all so a WR could make sense and Amari Cooper is worthy of that early of a pick.

Mettenberger and Sankey are huge question marks but you have to give them a chance.

I'm not sure how the OL is or if they are a problem, nor do I know if there is a worthy OL pick as early as the #2 pick.

My guess is for this team Amari Cooper makes the most sense right now after the FA signings. Mettenberger could benefit from a WR like that, the WR group looks a lot better with him out wide and Walker in the middle and the field opens up for Sankey to improve as well.

A trade down could also make sense depending on how far down they would have to drop.
 
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