I'm with you. I don't always agree with how the front office operates, but the last 2 free agency periods have gone decently. And taking a fair team, make a large coaching and scheme change......it's gonna take some time.
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Yeah, so Susie Adams makes her fat hubby retire and replace him with a family business puppet to oversee the Titans until they find another clueless Texas oil nimrod to run the Titans shitshow from Houston. I'm elated! And Haslam is not even remotely in the picture if they sell. It'll probably be Fred Smith of FedEx. At this point I don't even care.
I hear ya but if good decisions are being made how can you not be somewhat cheerful?
The team is "bad" if Mettenberger and Sankey come around that team will compete! The coach is solid, the players are put together decently, if they make the right picks in round 1/2 they could really be in good shape!
The team is "bad" if Mettenberger and Sankey come around that team will compete! The coach is solid, the players are put together decently, if they make the right picks in round 1/2 they could really be in good shape!
Yeah, I saw where the new CEO will be in Nashville. I heard from a friend in the Nashville media today that Goodell basically demanded it when he met with the Adams in Arizona the other day. Sounds like the family is pretty divided on how to deal with the team right now. My buddy made it sound like if they don't get their ducks in a row, they could be 'asked' to sell the team in the not-so-distant future. Like I said last year, all I ask is that the team make progress as opposed to continue into this hole that would take a decade to return to competitiveness. And Krazykats, I would LOVE nothing more than to see Sankey thrive and Mett to come out guns blazing in September. My worry is Sankey's ceiling is nothing more than a poor man's Pierre Thomas.
I don't know man, honestly last year was tough. Had Locker, lost Locker, Mett looked decent but Locker came back, lost Locker again, Mett steps back in.
I think with Mett being the guy this year will add consistency for a guy like Sankey that will be key.
Of course as I said it also depends on the draft pick, seriously I don't follow Tennesse much but they are close enough to know what's going on so is Cooper not the obvious pick?
I think with Mett being the guy this year will add consistency for a guy like Sankey that will be key.
Of course as I said it also depends on the draft pick, seriously I don't follow Tennesse much but they are close enough to know what's going on so is Cooper not the obvious pick?
Mettenberger is the type of QB that Whiz likes. And I think he can be decent this coming yr. Maybe a QB that would rank in the top 20 of the league. The key will be if he can get protection and get another WR.
Mariota is just a poor fit for the system and Whiz. Winston would be a great fit. However, coming off of Vince Young, Winston would be like dating a really hot girl who has a long history of cheating. It would be exciting and fun, but you'd be paranoid the whole time wondering when she's gonna sabotage the works. The hope is that Tampa takes him so that the Titans don't have to make the decision.
Trading back in the draft would be great but you have to have someone else willing to give you something. And it better be worth some value. I would love to move back but it isn't always up to you.
A #2 overall pick should be an immediate impact. And although Mariota "may" have a higher ceiling that's Mettenberger in this system, it is likely end that it would take 1-3 yrs for Mariota to take the reigns. So, by default, Mettenberger is the starting QB for 2015-2016.
Other guys to look at to take at #2:
-Williams - many have him as the best player in the draft. He can play any position on our line and would be an immediate impact player. Low risk, high reward.
-Cooper/White - intriguing pick and would have immediate impact. But this WR class is deep. Value could be found later as well. Whiz prefers good route runners which favors Cooper.
-OLB/DE - Fowler, Gregory, Beasley, Ray - signing Orakpo and Morgan reduces the need a little and the class is fairly deep.
-no other position is worth #2
It's important to note that the Titans changed the way they operated last yr. They adopted the same game plan as the better teams like the Patriots and Ravens. Sign free agent to plug the holes and then draft best player available (BPA) in the draft. They didn't necessarily have OT as the biggest need in the draft last yr but chose Lewan anyway. This is one example. For the exception of RT they more or less did the same approach for this yr. so, I fully expect them to BPA the draft. I think they stick with Mettenberger, try to trade back, take Williams if no trades are available, then BPA the rest of the draft.
Mariota is just a poor fit for the system and Whiz. Winston would be a great fit. However, coming off of Vince Young, Winston would be like dating a really hot girl who has a long history of cheating. It would be exciting and fun, but you'd be paranoid the whole time wondering when she's gonna sabotage the works. The hope is that Tampa takes him so that the Titans don't have to make the decision.
Trading back in the draft would be great but you have to have someone else willing to give you something. And it better be worth some value. I would love to move back but it isn't always up to you.
A #2 overall pick should be an immediate impact. And although Mariota "may" have a higher ceiling that's Mettenberger in this system, it is likely end that it would take 1-3 yrs for Mariota to take the reigns. So, by default, Mettenberger is the starting QB for 2015-2016.
Other guys to look at to take at #2:
-Williams - many have him as the best player in the draft. He can play any position on our line and would be an immediate impact player. Low risk, high reward.
-Cooper/White - intriguing pick and would have immediate impact. But this WR class is deep. Value could be found later as well. Whiz prefers good route runners which favors Cooper.
-OLB/DE - Fowler, Gregory, Beasley, Ray - signing Orakpo and Morgan reduces the need a little and the class is fairly deep.
-no other position is worth #2
It's important to note that the Titans changed the way they operated last yr. They adopted the same game plan as the better teams like the Patriots and Ravens. Sign free agent to plug the holes and then draft best player available (BPA) in the draft. They didn't necessarily have OT as the biggest need in the draft last yr but chose Lewan anyway. This is one example. For the exception of RT they more or less did the same approach for this yr. so, I fully expect them to BPA the draft. I think they stick with Mettenberger, try to trade back, take Williams if no trades are available, then BPA the rest of the draft.
I agree, and your breakdown points to Cooper just like I was thinking.
Before the FA signings Gregory was the pick, but can't be now! I'm either:
1- All in on Cooper, and I'd probably leak that to push those wanting a WR to move up
Or
2- Trade down to a team like the Bears who would love to move up and still take the best WR most likely DeVante Parker who could be the best of the group.
Before the FA signings Gregory was the pick, but can't be now! I'm either:
1- All in on Cooper, and I'd probably leak that to push those wanting a WR to move up
Or
2- Trade down to a team like the Bears who would love to move up and still take the best WR most likely DeVante Parker who could be the best of the group.
I'd probably go Williams > OLB > Cooper/White. Mainly just because you can find a great value OLB/DE and WR later in the draft due the depth coming out than you can a player like Williams but it's not like I'd cry if Cooper was the pick. Of course a good trade back would be great.
Other areas they likely have to address in the draft are RT, OG, and CB.
The safety class is very weak in this draft.....and with the addition of Searcy, they likely will leave it alone for a yr unless they get a versatile DB. ILB would be a good pick up to pair alongside Williamson, but they don't "have to" go there with Brown and Woodyard there. They are surprisingly decent at NT. The TE draft class isn't great. RB is deep this yr so they could easily get a bigger back to pair with Sankey, then let Greene go.
The entire push is to get younger. The Titans are trying to make a push in 2-3 yrs from now.
Other areas they likely have to address in the draft are RT, OG, and CB.
The safety class is very weak in this draft.....and with the addition of Searcy, they likely will leave it alone for a yr unless they get a versatile DB. ILB would be a good pick up to pair alongside Williamson, but they don't "have to" go there with Brown and Woodyard there. They are surprisingly decent at NT. The TE draft class isn't great. RB is deep this yr so they could easily get a bigger back to pair with Sankey, then let Greene go.
The entire push is to get younger. The Titans are trying to make a push in 2-3 yrs from now.
Main reason I thought Cooper is because Tennesse has those #2-3-4 type WRs but not that go to guy like Cooper so depth is there. Get that elite guy.
DT and LB are deep in this draft too and that 2nd rounder can get that covered.
All JMO, Tennesse is an intruiging team though.
DT and LB are deep in this draft too and that 2nd rounder can get that covered.
All JMO, Tennesse is an intruiging team though.
It's not lacking as much as Jon lets on. He's become very jaded over the yrs.
The Titans aren't missing a ton of pieces. They have fair starters in place for most positions but lack really good talent in some very key positions. Last yr was no QB, pass rusher, no top CB, and little help over the top.
The Titans aren't missing a ton of pieces. They have fair starters in place for most positions but lack really good talent in some very key positions. Last yr was no QB, pass rusher, no top CB, and little help over the top.
I know, really with Orakpo Morgand and Perish Cox I think a lot of the problems have been answered. Williams would make for an elite level defense IMHO but the offense would be hurting unless Mettenberger makes huge strides on his own which he could I guess.
I just think Cooper is can't miss. Maybe not Moss, Calvin type can't miss but very very good and they need that type of guy.
I just think Cooper is can't miss. Maybe not Moss, Calvin type can't miss but very very good and they need that type of guy.
I think Whiz would prefer Cooper out of the top 3 WRs. (Cooper, White, Parker). Cooper is the best route runner of the group which is what Whiz would prefer.
I don't care what happens next season. All I want is for the AFC East to finally step up and stop the Pats from walking to yet another Superbowl.. And further, to stop them from getting 5 rings, which would ensure their legacy as the (or one of the) best franchise of all time, the best coach of all time, and the best QB of all time.
I'm glad that the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins are FINALLY starting to take notice that the Patriots are good, and did something about it in the off-season. no more 5-1 divisional records for the Pats, hopefully.
I don't think I can handle the Pats winning a 5th Superbowl, even if it IS their first "legitimate" title.
I'm glad that the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins are FINALLY starting to take notice that the Patriots are good, and did something about it in the off-season. no more 5-1 divisional records for the Pats, hopefully.
I don't think I can handle the Pats winning a 5th Superbowl, even if it IS their first "legitimate" title.
No, you really are. There have been good signings in the past and you've mocked them as very poor. As a matter of fact every move that the Titans have ever made you've been incredibly negative whether the moves turned out to the good or bad.
But I do firmly agree that things are in bad shape. Sure there are bad things occurring (especially with the ownership/president fiasco), but there is also some good.
Like the "mediocre signings". Are they really "mediocre?" Almost every NFL analyst has given us a grade ranging from an 'A' to a 'B' for our efforts in FA this yr. Why is that you may ask? The very best organizations (Patriots, Ravens, Steelers, etc) sift through FA every yr. They don't jump all over the big names or contracts like Suh. They target good, decent guys that will fit their system. In Tennessee's case they know that things are not going to turn around next yr.....at least not to any crazy degree. So, they signed some "good options" at fair prices who are in the mid-to-upper 20's. Guys that are going to really help the team improve over the next 2-3 yrs. They filled a large portion of the largest holes on the team so that they can draft BPA. And they've brought in studs like Lebeau to help coach them. The only problem with this approach is that you have to really hit several drafts in a row. The best organizations do this with such talent and savvy.......while we often kinda fumble through things often. So there's good along with the bad.
I think the defense will be greatly improved. Cox, Searcy, and Orakpo filled some serious holes we had. Now, will it be a top 5 Defense? No. But it will be greatly improved from last season. I think they'll be able to hold their own as long as the offense doesn't go three and out every Possesion like last season. Which brings me to the next point. Mettenburger is not the answer at QB, and I fear he's Jake Locker 2.0. Had a couple serious injuries in college and hurt again last year. Sorry, but a 6th round pick doesn't get the luxury of several years to prove himself. Take Mariota and possibly a WR (Dorial Green-Beckham) or RB (Gurly/Gordon) in the 2nd and let's get this thing rolling on both sides.
Here's my hold up with taking Mariota at #2.....and QB in general. (leaving out trading back.....which is a great option)
1. Obviously Mettenberger doesn't appear to be a crazy superstar. So, until proven otherwise you want an upgrade. However, he did play just well enough that he can provide opportunity to be patient finding "the one."
2. If Philip Rivers is in play, then I would so much rather have him. A proven top 6-8 ranked QB who has played Whiz's system just a few yrs ago that sent him to the Pro-Bowl. And he has at least 4-5 yrs left of high level play......perhaps more. If the price isn't too steep, you gotta take that.
3. Mariota has all the character and physical tools, however his fit is very poor for the Titans. By all accounts, it's likely going to take him at least 1......if not 2-3 yrs to even learn a pro-style offense. And that's "IF" he does. There's a chance that he never will. His mobility can help mask some deficiencies at first, but do you want to rely on that? So, do you choose a better value in the draft......basically taking Williams, Cooper, or White? Basically taking a guy that would have a much sooner impact......someone that fills a giant need on the team, immediately........someone that who has a floor of the occasional pro-bowler, with ceilings sky high? Or, do you take a shot in the dark for a square peg QB, who is a bit of a project at a pro-style system, throw him to the wolves behind a struggling o-line/not so stellar receiving/no so stellar running game.......just because we need a QB?
I don't think I would. If trading back isn't an option.....and Winston is off the board......I'm going Williams. I will take BPA in the draft. Go into next yr with Mettenberger as the starter. Then really look to target a much better fitting in the 2016 draft when the QB class is expected to be much better overall and deeper. Then, whomever I choose, will jump in with a much improved overall team. And you have a veteran back-up in Mettenberger.
1. Obviously Mettenberger doesn't appear to be a crazy superstar. So, until proven otherwise you want an upgrade. However, he did play just well enough that he can provide opportunity to be patient finding "the one."
2. If Philip Rivers is in play, then I would so much rather have him. A proven top 6-8 ranked QB who has played Whiz's system just a few yrs ago that sent him to the Pro-Bowl. And he has at least 4-5 yrs left of high level play......perhaps more. If the price isn't too steep, you gotta take that.
3. Mariota has all the character and physical tools, however his fit is very poor for the Titans. By all accounts, it's likely going to take him at least 1......if not 2-3 yrs to even learn a pro-style offense. And that's "IF" he does. There's a chance that he never will. His mobility can help mask some deficiencies at first, but do you want to rely on that? So, do you choose a better value in the draft......basically taking Williams, Cooper, or White? Basically taking a guy that would have a much sooner impact......someone that fills a giant need on the team, immediately........someone that who has a floor of the occasional pro-bowler, with ceilings sky high? Or, do you take a shot in the dark for a square peg QB, who is a bit of a project at a pro-style system, throw him to the wolves behind a struggling o-line/not so stellar receiving/no so stellar running game.......just because we need a QB?
I don't think I would. If trading back isn't an option.....and Winston is off the board......I'm going Williams. I will take BPA in the draft. Go into next yr with Mettenberger as the starter. Then really look to target a much better fitting in the 2016 draft when the QB class is expected to be much better overall and deeper. Then, whomever I choose, will jump in with a much improved overall team. And you have a veteran back-up in Mettenberger.
The thing about QB is that only a handful of 1st round picks really pan out and a large number of them fail. So honestly I think, and I'm certainly no NFL GM, the best way to produce a QB is through time in a system or to build everywhere else and then get your QB like the cherry on top. Now there are those like an Andrew Luck that you can build around, but those are locks and everyone knows those types will be successful.
So what I'm saying is Mett might not be the answer but gambling on Mariota could be crippling to this organization. Leonard Williams is a safe pick the. A Brent Hundley in the 2nd would absolutely be a great move. My thing with that is like was mentioned above, too many 3 and outs will cripple a defense anyway so while Williams does make for an even better defense than what is already there with the FA additions, Tennesse needs offense too.
So what I'm saying is Mett might not be the answer but gambling on Mariota could be crippling to this organization. Leonard Williams is a safe pick the. A Brent Hundley in the 2nd would absolutely be a great move. My thing with that is like was mentioned above, too many 3 and outs will cripple a defense anyway so while Williams does make for an even better defense than what is already there with the FA additions, Tennesse needs offense too.
You know what would be best case scenario IMHO......go public and say your absolutely sold on Mariotta to sell the value of that pick. The jets just might bite to move up because they sound sold on the kid.......maybe get Geno Smith and the #6. Sounds fair to me.
Geno may not be a super star but he is better than people think because of how bad the Jets really are. He and Mett at QB could make it thru the year and who knows they have promise and 1 could really pan out. Then you still got #6 and your other picks to really fill out the rest of that roster. That 6 pick is really a better fit for what TN needs.
Geno may not be a super star but he is better than people think because of how bad the Jets really are. He and Mett at QB could make it thru the year and who knows they have promise and 1 could really pan out. Then you still got #6 and your other picks to really fill out the rest of that roster. That 6 pick is really a better fit for what TN needs.
Trading to the Jets at 6 or the Rams at 10 would be ideal. You would likely end up with an extra 1st pick in 2016 and still stay top ten in 2015. At #6 you are likely looking at Folwer, Beasley, White, Cooper, or Ray. At #10 you're looking at Parker, Shelton, Dupree, Ray, Gregory (?), Waynes, etc.
Then, with the extra pick in 2016 find a QB who makes sense.
Then, with the extra pick in 2016 find a QB who makes sense.
BR, I've tried very hard to be optimistic since they sent Jeff packing but I see nothing to be happy about. I pray we have something to look forward to in the fall. I'm tired of pissing money away every year. And I pay no mind to what analysts say about FA moves, they said d the same thing when we got Levitre, Shonn Greene, and Ryan Fitzpatrick. We'll just have to wait and see. But you're right, a good draft is a necessity for a couple years in a row. I'm anxious to see what we get from last year's class in year two.
I also like the Phillip Rivers idea if it can happen.
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I also like the Phillip Rivers idea if it can happen.
This post was edited on 4/2 11:28 PM by catsJONky
I know you're frustrated. It's hard not to be. Since coming to Tennessee, the Titans have been an organization that has won over 8 games on average per yr.......6 playoff berths, 1 SB appearance......and all going against one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game twice a yr in the division. That's not too shabby. Lots of organizations like the Browns, Lions, Cards, etc would die to have that record. However, since letting Fisher go (a move I completely hated) we've not been the same since. It's understandable to be frustrated. But keep a little hope. When then make a good move applaud them. When they don't then act accordingly.
And finally, if you are tired of spending too much money on them, then why are you still doing so? It's not like you couldn't get tickets, etc, if they started to turn it around again.
If your ever interested in selling some tix to get some money back Id love to help you out with that. I've never been to a NFL game even though Ive hooked several friends up from contacts I know who keep their cinci tix.
I know all about bad management, been a detroit fan ever since the first time I watched Barry, and for years I swore Id pick a different team to follow but just can't do it.
That said, comparing Orakpo Morgan and Cox to Shon Green and Ryan Fitzpatrick is comical. And your right for NFL talking heads to praise those two is a joke, but this year's guys are legit IF they stay healthy. That's all there is to it for Orakpo.
Not sure how a Rivers deal would work. He only has 1 yr left so trading for him could hurt if you don't sign him. Now if that's apart of the deal to sign before the trade it would almost be your best bet.
I know all about bad management, been a detroit fan ever since the first time I watched Barry, and for years I swore Id pick a different team to follow but just can't do it.
That said, comparing Orakpo Morgan and Cox to Shon Green and Ryan Fitzpatrick is comical. And your right for NFL talking heads to praise those two is a joke, but this year's guys are legit IF they stay healthy. That's all there is to it for Orakpo.
Not sure how a Rivers deal would work. He only has 1 yr left so trading for him could hurt if you don't sign him. Now if that's apart of the deal to sign before the trade it would almost be your best bet.
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