NCAA Championships or one and done players?

[Catswin9]

My opinion is we cannot have both. Quality experienced depth wins championships.

If your happy with Final Fours and elite eights, one and done players will get it done.

It appears the "player first" philosophy dictates a program goal of getting players to the NBA over any other goal.

I love one and done players as much as anyone, but with moderation. The UK Program continues to recruit over players instead of developing the skills of those already apart of the team.

My favorite team, the Unforgettables, reveals what good coaching can produce. Without the miracle shot, that team would have probably won an NCAA Championship.

 

[Jkwo]

What good coaching can produce?

If you think Cal isn't a good coach, then you're the one who needs Jesus more than anybody.

 

[BlueSince92]

Yeah come on people, do you want wins or championships?

Coz we can't have both.

 

[How Blue Can You Get?]

My opinion is we cannot have both. Quality experienced depth wins championships.

If your happy with Final Fours and elite eights, one and done players will get it done.

It appears the "player first" philosophy dictates a program goal of getting players to the NBA over any other goal.

I love one and done players as much as anyone, but with moderation. The UK Program continues to recruit over players instead of developing the skills of those already apart of the team.

My favorite team, the Unforgettables, reveals what good coaching can produce. Without the miracle shot, that team would have probably won an NCAA Championship.

great opinion...now I suggest you go check out the 2012 season. Sheesh!

 

[Jkwo]

great opinion...now I suggest you go check out the 2012 season. Sheesh!

Or '15 Duke.

 

[dckala2]

 

[Orange Soda King]

You get 0/10.

2012.

1992 team may or may not have lost in FF or NC game. You can't just say they would have won.

Also, I don't like admitting it, but Duke's 2015 team was lead by one-and-dones.

 

[Pope John Wall II]

We won a championship like 3 years ago, being coached by the architect of the modern one-and-done era.

Congrats on having one of the worst takes on Rupp Rafters, OP, you earned it.

 

[UKCATSFREAK]

My opinion is we cannot have both. Quality experienced depth wins championships.

If your happy with Final Fours and elite eights, one and done players will get it done.

It appears the "player first" philosophy dictates a program goal of getting players to the NBA over any other goal.

I love one and done players as much as anyone, but with moderation. The UK Program continues to recruit over players instead of developing the skills of those already apart of the team.

My favorite team, the Unforgettables, reveals what good coaching can produce. Without the miracle shot, that team would have probably won an NCAA Championship.

You think the Unforgettables probably would've won the championship? How about possibly, not probably.

 

[.S&C.]

My opinion is we cannot have both. Quality experienced depth wins championships.

If your happy with Final Fours and elite eights, one and done players will get it done.

It appears the "player first" philosophy dictates a program goal of getting players to the NBA over any other goal.

I love one and done players as much as anyone, but with moderation.

Me thinks you need a good course in philosophy and forming an argument or opinion.

 

[Hoskins21]

This is going to be a fun thread to watch.

 

[.S&C.]

Imagine if Cal put more of an emphasis on returning players than recruiting the best.

Randle would have possibly been at Kansas
Knight would have probably been at Florida
Duke and UNC would have a good percentage of our players the last 7 years.

This is exactly why I like the OAD (for Cal specifically) and not a two and done. We keep other teams from having experience to go along with someone like Julius Randle and we put them on our roster. We lose them in a year, but they never had them.

My argument has always been we need some returning guards who are reliable shooters for the tournament and in domes etc. Other than that, carry on.

 

[Nuke99m]

 

[letitrainuk]

Someones RX ran out.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

 

[KYFOSSIL]

Did you notice he didn't respond. That was a drive by trolling.

A national championship

An incredibly fun ride in 2011

A record setting year in 2015

4 final fours and numerous SEC titles

Yep......the OAD has destroyed UK basketball

 

[buckkiller]

We have both DUH!!! Go fibd another team Tubby is coaching still! SO go root for him and his 8'9" project centers he allways recruits that trip over their own feet all the time!

 

[TIE543]

Wow! This thread sure is a new and exciting topic that has never been discussed before! Great post OP!!

 

[StubbornPenny]

Could be the worst take in Rafters history. We've all gone over these point ad nauseam, so there's not really a point in convincing you. Just know that you are indeed wrong. I can't believe you said we can't have titles when we won one with almost all freshmen in 2012, then used a team that got to the Elite 8 as your example of teams that can win titles. You have to be in the final four to win titles, the OAD system has gotten us more FF's in a short time frame than ever before. What the hell are you even saying?!?!?

 

[ganner918]

My opinion is we cannot have both. Quality experienced depth wins championships.

If your happy with Final Fours and elite eights, one and done players will get it done.

It appears the "player first" philosophy dictates a program goal of getting players to the NBA over any other goal.

I love one and done players as much as anyone, but with moderation. The UK Program continues to recruit over players instead of developing the skills of those already apart of the team.

My favorite team, the Unforgettables, reveals what good coaching can produce. Without the miracle shot, that team would have probably won an NCAA Championship.

It's not like 2 of the past 5 champions have started 3 freshmen, or that we've been to 4 Final Fours in the past 6 years. Dumb, dumb argument.

 

[.S&C.]

Could be the worst take in Rafters history. We've all gone over these point ad nauseam, so there's not really a point in convincing you. Just know that you are indeed wrong. I can't believe you said we can't have titles when we won one with almost all freshmen in 2012, then used a team that got to the Elite 8 as your example of teams that can win titles. You have to be in the final four to win titles, the OAD system has gotten us more FF's in a short time frame than ever before. What the hell are you even saying?!?!?

The saddest part is this is nowhere near the worst post in rafters history.

 

[ganner918]

My argument has always been we need some returning guards who are reliable shooters for the tournament and in domes etc. Other than that, carry on.

I'd like to see more shooters offered for the rides we give out to non-5-star talents. We've only brought in 4 freshman guards/small-forwards who weren't 5-star guys (amazing in itself) and two of them couldn't shoot a lick, didn't play, and transferred. Hawkins can't shoot but is a Kentucky kid ok with riding the bench much of his career, and he's made significant contributions in limited time. Booker was obviously a hell of a shooter. For the 40th ranked guys in the class, I'm not that much a fan of the athlete who can't shoot.

I'm hoping this year Willis can keep himself on the court with good enough defense and be that reliable veteran shooter.

 

[catben]

The good thing about Rupp Rafters being the most open basketball board in the country is that anything, no matter how infantile, moronic and demonstrably wrong, can be posted, as proven by the original post in this thread.

Or is that the bad thing? Sometimes I wonder.

I think it's great. It allows our posters to evaluate EVERY opinion, and the poster it comes from, for what it is.

The OP has garnered a reputation for fly by posts that border on trolling. By recognizing this aspect of his posting, I will either refute, ridicule or totally ignore his posts.

Those with weak, misguided, or outright awful posts are exposed fairly quickly here.

 

[CELTICAT]

Same OP posted that he was ready for Cal to move on. Guess he hasn't changed that opinion.

Btw, we have 8 titles in 113 seasons. If all we care about is winning the NCAA tournament, then the vast majority of our program's history is a failure by that logic.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Diary]

This thread =

 

[.S&C.]

I'd like to see more shooters offered for the rides we give out to non-5-star talents. We've only brought in 4 freshman guards/small-forwards who weren't 5-star guys (amazing in itself) and two of them couldn't shoot a lick, didn't play, and transferred. Hawkins can't shoot but is a Kentucky kid ok with riding the bench much of his career, and he's made significant contributions in limited time. Booker was obviously a hell of a shooter. For the 40th ranked guys in the class, I'm not that much a fan of the athlete who can't shoot.

I'm hoping this year Willis can keep himself on the court with good enough defense and be that reliable veteran shooter.

Yea that's always been my position. Go out and get the MGK'S, the Beiscoe's, and the Goodwins, or the Vanderbilts of the class. Pick up the OAD shooting guard who's defensive oriented. The main point is cal has a coaching style that caters to a defensive skill set. I'm all for it. I just think it would be wise to open that strategy up a bit more to the glaring reality that upperclassman scorers could provide a missing piece.

 

[Catswin9]

great opinion...now I suggest you go check out the 2012 season. Sheesh!

We had experienced players to compliment the one and done players.

 

[bucsrule8872]

Did Cut-Nets change his username?

 

[Catswin9]

What good coaching can produce?

If you think Cal isn't a good coach, then you're the one who needs Jesus more than anybody.

I do think Coach Cal is a good coach. The philosophy is what I am questioning.

 

[.S&C.]

We had experienced players to compliment the one and done players.

Yea but that's not what you said.

 

[.S&C.]

Just to make sure I wasn't losing my mind, I checked. Couldn't get through the topic and first sentence of the post without seeing it.

Title: Championships or OAD.

First sentence: We cannot have both.

 

[Catswin9]

Did you notice he didn't respond. That was a drive by trolling.

A national championship

An incredibly fun ride in 2011

A record setting year in 2015

4 final fours and numerous SEC titles

Yep......the OAD has destroyed UK basketball

I NEVER said the OAD philosophy would destroy the UK Program.

 

[Catswin9]

Yea but that's not what you said.

I am sorry I did not articulate my opinion clearly.

 

[W2R]

Tubby says hells yeah




Smh. We wanted better talent for years. Hadn't sniffed a final four in 14 years. We get it all and a title and it's not enough

When player A doesn't live up to the hype some trash them and say we can't win a title with them they are garbage. Then we get a new player in and doesn't perform well out of the gate and you say stick the other guy in.

 

[.S&C.]

I am sorry I did not articulate my opinion clearly.

No.

 

[chroix]

Beating a dead horse or horsing a dead beat?

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

The OP is a known troll. .... just read his previous posts.

 

[catdance]

My opinion is we cannot have both. Quality experienced depth wins championships.

If your happy with Final Fours and elite eights, one and done players will get it done.

It appears the "player first" philosophy dictates a program goal of getting players to the NBA over any other goal.

I love one and done players as much as anyone, but with moderation. The UK Program continues to recruit over players instead of developing the skills of those already apart of the team.

My favorite team, the Unforgettables, reveals what good coaching can produce. Without the miracle shot, that team would have probably won an NCAA Championship.

 

[ganner918]

We had experienced players to compliment the one and done players.

We started 2 sophomores. Wow, talk about experience. If that's all the experience needed then what the hell is the point of the thread? We pretty much always have that much. The only exception is the year after the 2013 dumpster fire. And we lost the championship game by 6 points.

 

[Blueblood22]