My take on the officiating

[B.B.H.]

You can slide as far as you like, you just cant roll or try to get up

And if someone hooks your arm tightly, be sure the referee doesn’t notice you fall. Failure to crash discreetly will result in a potential flagrant penalty.

 

[Edgarman]

I totally agree. The SEC should be looking at this game and Pope should be asking that neither Anderson or Poole officiate another UK Game . Poole did the same thing against us last year against Texas A and M . $$$$$

My fear is that it is open that Pope spoke with SEC about officiating, we will now be the target of all the officials in the league. It is so easy to not give a team any breaks yet if reviewed, it will look like a correct call. Now they will let fouls slide for our opponents. This puts us on a slippery slope.

 

[crestcat]

My fear is that it is open that Pope spoke with SEC about officiating, we will now be the target of all the officials in the league. It is so easy to not give a team any breaks yet if reviewed, it will look like a correct call. Now they will let fouls slide for our opponents. This puts us on a slippery slope.

Isn’t that what they’re doing now?

 

[Edgarman]

Isn’t that what they’re doing now?

It can get worse

 

[Blue_2_the_bone]

I am a basketball official, and that game was officiated horribly, to me it was very obvious Kentucky had no chance from the beginning, through the bad officiating and terrible play on defense from us, we still had a shot, until the bad call on the 3-point shot, that call took the air out of us. I know Orlandis Poole, he lives in my area of Virginia, and I have his phone number, I wanted to text him so bad after the game, but I didn't want to be an azz, even though he was bad, Steven Anderson killed us, he made 90% calls against Kentucky. If I was coaching that game, I would have definitely got tossed, sometimes you have to protest in a way that doesn't get you fined, and that's expressing your frustration during the game.

I’ve coached or played everything from peewee basketball to college. I don’t envy your job at all. Reffing is tough. I agree with you on the 3 point call. It’s not just that bad calls are made but when they are made. Momentum is huge in a game of runs like basketball. That call shot any chance we had in the foot. I knew the game was done after that series.

 

[jwphelps]

I am a basketball official, and that game was officiated horribly, to me it was very obvious Kentucky had no chance from the beginning, through the bad officiating and terrible play on defense from us, we still had a shot, until the bad call on the 3-point shot, that call took the air out of us. I know Orlandis Poole, he lives in my area of Virginia, and I have his phone number, I wanted to text him so bad after the game, but I didn't want to be an azz, even though he was bad, Steven Anderson killed us, he made 90% calls against Kentucky. If I was coaching that game, I would have definitely got tossed, sometimes you have to protest in a way that doesn't get you fined, and that's expressing your frustration during the game.

I know as a former coach in the KHSAA you used to have the ability to black ball a ref from doing your games in the tournament, wish UK could black ball at least 2 from doing their games period during the sec.

 

[jmw23712]

We are getting punished for what we did to the rooferee

You mean for what he did to us? Kentucky fans didn’t react that way for no reason. It was retaliation for an over the top, as blatant as I’ve ever seen, screw job. And not his first time screwing UK in a massive game. Luckily it was his last.

 

[CrustyCat]

There were some really bad calls no debate. But, let's say there were 5 glaringly no debate ones. We still would have lost the game based upon everything else observed. It just would have been a closer score. I know that won't be a popular take here. But, do you honestly feel our terrible outside shooting and terrible rebounding would have changed? Our defense and rebounding has been bad in games where the refs were not bad. It is a problem that needs correcting, if possible, or there will be more losses refs or not.

You're not accounting for the effect those bad calls and the no-calls have on how a player plays. For instance, I watched Amari Williams get assaulted when he was working down low. When he adjusted by being more aggressive in his post moves, he was quickly called for an offensive foul.

What is Robinson supposed to do when rebounding, after he's called for a foul on one of the most ridiculous flops I've ever seen?

That's the part that doesn't show up in the boxscore, and that's how incompetent or corrupt officials hide it - they make some "make up calls" after the game is decided, or they make a call on a shot, but rule that it was before the shot, to deny free throws. Crap like that.

It's way more than just five "glaring" calls.

 

[Wildcat Sheli]

I’m copying part of what I wrote in another Thread some weeks ago. Here’s Jamie Luckie instructing other refs in his seminar, “The Craft of Officiating” https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/jamie-luckie-and-kentucky.263353/page-2#post-6804184

In the video, he instructs how to:
—mirror calls
—give the “little guy more latitude”
—believe it’s “my (the referee’s) game” A quote: “We dictate how the game is played. . . it’s not our fault they can’t shoot.”
—strategize to “hit” well-known coaches with technical fouls so the other guys will “stay out of your way”
—believe that the “only thing that matters is the last few minutes of the game”

When an official has no conscience about saying he’s “the difference between a 20 point win and a 40 point win” between Elon (62) vs. Duke (75), it tells you something. In Dec 2014, wasn’t an 18 point or 20 point win, it was actually a 13 point win. Did this “give the little guy more latitude” strategy have an impact on his officiating when he officiated UK vs WVU in 2010, or Kansas State in 2018? Did it have an impact on our officials vs. Georgia?

To openly admit they can be the difference between a certain-amount-of-points loss and another outcome shows they can indeed manipulate factors in a game to affect the final score. And they know it. I cannot even begin to express how disturbing that is to me. And then to top it off by saying no one cares about the first 36 or 38 minutes, the last 2-4 minutes are what really matters! What?!?! That’s nonsense. Just be fair! For the entire 40 minutes!

 

[ukfan1622]

Not one person who has posted on this thread, no matter their opinion on the refs, has EVER saw the refs go to the monitors over a play like the Carr intentional foul. They do that when a player gets fouled hard or hits the floor or gets a hand to the face. But on a gentle caress to the body? I've been watching college basketball for almost 60 years and I have NEVER seen a play like that and you haven't either. That play let the cat out of the bag for me, along with a ref blowing his whistle 20 times and ONLY against UK. They were willing to be that blatant because they know they won't pay a price for it.

It does not matter to me if the ref is rigging the game because he bet or a bettor is paying him or if he just doesn't like one team; refs should not be rigging games. The only thing we can do about it is to make a big enough stink that unbiased fans begin to see it and wonder why the refs are rigging games.