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Momentum flowing against 9 game SEC scheduling

I don't believe you are understanding the point. UK gets ZERO from a road game other than their share of the SEC rights deal. An OOC home game they keep all the revenue, so please help me understand how keeping zero from an SEC road game beats any size profit from a home game?
One additional Espn TV game will produce more revenue to each school than two directional school gates. So, the money issue is not a question - more total revenue will flow from the additional game. Thats how financially. But as people keep saying - you are missing the point. A 10-2 SEC team playing 9 conference games will probably make the playoffs when the playoffs expand. A 10-2 SEC team playing 8 conference games probably misses the playoffs. Will Kentucky win 10 games going to 9 conference games - who knows - but I like our chances. Will it be harder - yes! But the coaches are being paid playoff caliber coaching salaries and here is another factor - it's another challenge for our coaches to accept and prove they and Kentucky are worthy of the playoffs. What will happen to recruiting when we make the playoffs? It will be a monster shot in the arm - or should be!

Go Big Blue!
 
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Just becuase UGA finally stopped pissing away its talent and goes 3 deep with high school all Americans now doesn't change the fact the SEC is a gauntlet and 9 games does UK no favors

UGA had some talented RBs and QB, but Mark Richt ignored recruiting OL and defensive players like they were an afterthought. Kirby was hired to upgrade the roster and to win. He has done ok with both of those.

We had 0 OT on the roster Kirby's first year. Yes the roster is deep now. That SEC gauntlet would have a meaning if it included playing LSU, UT, Bama, UK and UGA every year in your 8 games, but when you throw in multiple teams that win 2-3 conference games it's hardly a guantlet.

I really don't care how many we play, but when it comes down to strength of schedule and Big10 gets their 2-3 loss team gets in because of a tougher schedule, and yes the East will be a tough division, no complaint when a 2-3 loss SEC gets left out.
 
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I see both sides.

I could see a 9 and 3 sec team sneaking into that lost playoff spot when we go to 12 though so I don’t see much issue with 2 patsies daville and 9 sec games.

3 patsies is too much, but.. get one late in the year and one to start. Don’t need 4. Or even 3.

Also, make Birmingham or somewhere the sec game of the week and all teams play one neutral there. 4 home 4 away.
 
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Don't know what you are talking about with Carolina, they wanted to go against SEC and play them the covid year. UGA has played 10 P5 teams for the last several years, it has helped getting into the 4 team playoffs, not hurt. If we had played South Alabama or some like team in 21 instead of CU in 21 we wouldn't have been in the playoffs. 23 schedule is awful, but OU was on it until SEC office told us to cancel.
Carolina is also on the list of teams thst don't support 9 game SEC so whatever your omnipotent self says.
I don't give a damn what helped or hurt UGA. I care about UK. Most of our fans and Our coach thinks a 9 game schedule is a terrible idea as do I. And sheer logic says it doesn't help the MID to lower tier teams so spin it however you want that you have anyone but Georgia's best interest in mind. I bet you'd sing a different tune if you had Bama, LSU and Tennessee as your projected 3 regular opponents regardless of how much it would help your SOS
 
UGA had some talented RBs and QB, but Mark Richt ignored recruiting OL and defensive players like they were an afterthought. Kirby was hired to upgrade the roster and to win. He has done ok with both of those.

We had 0 OT on the roster Kirby's first year. Yes the roster is deep now. That SEC gauntlet would have a meaning if it included playing LSU, UT, Bama, UK and UGA every year in your 8 games, but when you throw in multiple teams that win 2-3 conference games it's hardly a guantlet.

I really don't care how many we play, but when it comes down to strength of schedule and Big10 gets their 2-3 loss team gets in because of a tougher schedule, and yes the East will be a tough division, no complaint when a 2-3 loss SEC gets left out.
Again you miss the point, the SEC is a line of scrimmage league. period. NFL size, Talent, speed and depth are abundant like no other league. If you didn't go 3 deep with athletic freaks at most positions youd acknowledge it beats teams up and causes losses. but that doesn't serve your agenda
 
Carolina is also on the list of teams thst don't support 9 game SEC so whatever your omnipotent self says.
I don't give a damn what helped or hurt UGA. I care about UK. Most of our fans and Our coach thinks a 9 game schedule is a terrible idea as do I. And sheer logic says it doesn't help the MID to lower tier teams so spin it however you want that you have anyone but Georgia's best interest in mind. I bet you'd sing a different tune if you had Bama, LSU and Tennessee as your projected 3 regular opponents regardless of how much it would help your SOS
I don't know about most fans - but I want a 9 game SEC schedule. Most Season Ticket holders i know, I am one, want 9 game SEC schedule. Sure coaches say no to 9 game schedule. Why not - $9 million easier job!

Go Big Blue!
 
Carolina is also on the list of teams thst don't support 9 game SEC so whatever your omnipotent self says.
I don't give a damn what helped or hurt UGA. I care about UK. Most of our fans and Our coach thinks a 9 game schedule is a terrible idea as do I. And sheer logic says it doesn't help the MID to lower tier teams so spin it however you want that you have anyone but Georgia's best interest in mind. I bet you'd sing a different tune if you had Bama, LSU and Tennessee as your projected 3 regular opponents regardless of how much it would help your SOS

No one has ever said you cared about UGA, never thought you did. But here is something to thing about, why does a mid or lower tier team deserve to reach the playoffs? I havent thought of UK as a mid or lower tier team in some time. I think they are top 5 in conference.

Why would I sing a different tune if Bama, LSU and UT were UGA's 3, beat all 3 by double digits last time we played them, 2 were over at half time.
 
extra conference game means 8 extra losses for the league

This hurts the middle of the conference more than anything. Fringe top 25 teams end up unranked with the extra loss because you end up with more 7-5 teams than 8-4 ones.

The SEC is built to sustain it. Yall win when you get in. The difference is merely the perception of the middle.
 
One additional Espn TV game will produce more revenue to each school than two directional school gates. So, the money issue is not a question - more total revenue will flow from the additional game. Thats how financially.
As pointed out by the article, that money issue is in fact a big damn question. It isn't spelled out by the contract ESPN will in fact pay more for 9 conf games/yr.

So why give them away for free?!?!

Reports are if an 8 game, 7 rotation 1 permanent schedule happens we are paired with S Carolina.
 
As pointed out by the article, that money issue is in fact a big damn question. It isn't spelled out by the contract ESPN will in fact pay more for 9 conf games/yr.

So why give them away for free?!?!

Reports are if an 8 game, 7 rotation 1 permanent schedule happens we are paired with S Carolina.
If we go to 1-7 schedule I like being paired with South Carolina as well as anyone else. But honestly would rather it be Tennessee - its time to pay them back for the last 75 years - lol!

Go Big Blue!
 
No one has ever said you cared about UGA, never thought you did. But here is something to thing about, why does a mid or lower tier team deserve to reach the playoffs? I havent thought of UK as a mid or lower tier team in some time. I think they are top 5 in conference.

Why would I sing a different tune if Bama, LSU and UT were UGA's 3, beat all 3 by double digits last time we played them, 2 were over at half time.
Be careful what you wish for..
 
Be careful what you wish for..

Never said wished for it, they don't scare me. Kirby is 3-0 against Kelly, 2-0 against Chumlee and Saban, who is the GOAT is at the age things started heading south for other GOATS, Bowden, JoePa and Bryant. I don't have may seasons left, I have seen all the sisters of the weak come to Athens for a check I care to see.
 
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Who are the 3 teams in east that will struggle not get to bowl game? Candy and maybe mizzou. But usc and UK will be fine

Besides….I think bowls will easily drop below six wins to get into lower bowls
Florida is the other in the east. Their win total o/u is 5.5.
 
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This hurts the middle of the conference more than anything. Fringe top 25 teams end up unranked with the extra loss because you end up with more 7-5 teams than 8-4 ones.

The SEC is built to sustain it. Yall win when you get in. The difference is merely the perception of the middle.
So you think a win over EKU is worth more than a tough loss to pick one - TX/OK/A&M/SC/AR?
 
If the SEC wants to solve UK opposition to 9 games, they need to pull Stoops & Barnhart into a smoke filled back room. And buy them off. Offer to trade away Georgia as an annual opponent for Tennessee.

Now that makes life worst for S Carolina. But, they are already opposed to 9. And their voice isn't as important as ours, a founding SEC member with an AD who's been here 20 yrs & who several other conferences ADs worked for.

Oh, and for all the "just make it 9, I'm sure ESPN will gladly pay more!!!!" folks:


Starting to think the conference jumped at adding TX & Ok without fully investigating the implications.....
 
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More smoke.....moving to 9 would cause SEC teams to cancel/pay off 38 non conference games, as every team has scheduled for 4 OOC years in advance

 
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Never said wished for it, they don't scare me. Kirby is 3-0 against Kelly, 2-0 against Chumlee and Saban, who is the GOAT is at the age things started heading south for other GOATS, Bowden, JoePa and Bryant. I don't have may seasons left, I have seen all the sisters of the weak come to Athens for a check I care to see.
These last two seasons sure have changed your perspective on things. I remember your posts here used to be welcome. I remember you dying to climb that hill and saying I hope I see us reach our potential just once before I’m gone. I’m getting old. Now You kind of come off like an Alabama Snob entitled elitist after your last two seasons. You couldn’t care less about the other programs being equal now that you are on top. Just like those Roll Tide obnoxious fans as you used to call them. Winning changes everything they say. Even Grumpy.
 
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These last two seasons sure have changed your perspective on things. I remember your posts here used to be welcome. I remember you dying to climb that hill and saying I hope I see us reach our potential just once before I’m gone. I’m getting old. Now You kind of come off like an Alabama Snob entitled elitist after your last two seasons. You couldn’t care less about the other programs being equal now that you are on top. Just like those Roll Tide obnoxious fans as you used to call them. Winning changes everything they say. Even Grumpy.

What has changed, I wasn't the one who brought up UGA. Watching UGA, UK, UT or anyone else beat some directional scholl by 40 just isnt very exciting to me. What's really strange is I think more of UK's program than many of its fans do. I don't think of UK as mid or low tier, I see it as a top 5 even with the addition of OU and Texas. I guess we could go to a 6 game SEC schedule and play 6 directional schools and everyone would get a trophy.
 
Right now everyone in the SEC is doing better than ok with the financial deal, with all the new building taking place everywhere it's hard to argue otherwise. Playing that extra SEC game is more about getting noticed by the selection committee, not some revenue. Big10 playing 9 conference game another P5 and a couple of groups of 5 and a 10-2 record is a better resume than 10-2 with 8 conference games and 4 directional schools. If making money is the goal, get those 8 home game and dont complain about being a 2 loss team not in the playoffs, because that isnt the main objective., if making the playoffs is the goal I think a team needs to show they deserve to be there.
UK is third from the bottom in football revenue and brings in about half of what South Carolina does, whereas the big boys, of which your Dawgs are, bring in 3x+ what we do. You losing out on a OOC home game is a drop in the bucket, whereas for us it's a big deal. Haves vs have nots.
 
One additional Espn TV game will produce more revenue to each school than two directional school gates. So, the money issue is not a question - more total revenue will flow from the additional game. Thats how financially. But as people keep saying - you are missing the point. A 10-2 SEC team playing 9 conference games will probably make the playoffs when the playoffs expand. A 10-2 SEC team playing 8 conference games probably misses the playoffs. Will Kentucky win 10 games going to 9 conference games - who knows - but I like our chances. Will it be harder - yes! But the coaches are being paid playoff caliber coaching salaries and here is another factor - it's another challenge for our coaches to accept and prove they and Kentucky are worthy of the playoffs. What will happen to recruiting when we make the playoffs? It will be a monster shot in the arm - or should be!

Go Big Blue!
With all due respect, you are wrong. As it stands, ESPN is refusing to add more money for the additional games. That's the whole point of this argument. Why would we play more for free? For UK we are more concerned about revenue, because the teams were are chasing bring in 2-4x the revenue that we do. The haves are asking the have nots to take one for the league without additional compensation. If I'm Mitch I have a revenue number in mind and I'm not letting go until we are compensated for giving up the home game. We already have difficulty keeping up why on earth would we give up millions of our revenue to the benefit of the league? If ESPN changes their minds and sweetens the TV deal, then by all means, but so far that have indicated they are not negotiating.
 
What has changed, I wasn't the one who brought up UGA. Watching UGA, UK, UT or anyone else beat some directional scholl by 40 just isnt very exciting to me. What's really strange is I think more of UK's program than many of its fans do. I don't think of UK as mid or low tier, I see it as a top 5 even with the addition of OU and Texas. I guess we could go to a 6 game SEC schedule and play 6 directional schools and everyone would get a trophy.
What’s changed is you don’t seem to see the other side of the coin anymore. We don’t have the depth for 9 games. We don’t have enough athletes to stay strong for 9 games. We don’t have the best recruiting base like you. We have the worst. It’s super easy for the wealthy to forget where they came from. Like I said. You HAD these concerns back when Richt had you losing 4 or 5 games a year. I remember you posting them. Heck, you were losing back then with way more talent and depth than UK has now. Now, somehow ,you simply can’t understand why we say 8 meat grinders are enough. At Georgia we. …. Blah blah blah…. You have forgotten where you came from my friend just a few short years ago and your arrogance is apparent. If I knew how to search archives and showed you the posts I remember you making years ago?????? Let’s just say…. Eating crow would be in order. For 15 years your program woefully underperformed with more talent than we’ve ever had. You wanted to be relevant so badly. Now that you’re relevant. You don’t remember that and are arrogant.
 
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It is hard for fans & media to understand why ESPN is in no hurry to pay more for 9 conf games. Let me illustrate their problem:

Right now, they pay for week 1 Texas a&m vs a Mount West team, Georgia vs 1-AA. 7 to 8 hrs of TV time & advertising. Go to 9, and it is Texas a&m vs Georgia. 3.5-4 hrs tv time.

"But the rating would he so much better!!!!" you will say. Sure, yes. Enough to make up for 4 hrs of TV time lost, by eliminating out of conference games? 1 each, all 14 schools?

ESPN is apparently saying it isn't worth more money for us to play 9 vs 8.
 
What has changed, I wasn't the one who brought up UGA. Watching UGA, UK, UT or anyone else beat some directional scholl by 40 just isnt very exciting to me. What's really strange is I think more of UK's program than many of its fans do. I don't think of UK as mid or low tier, I see it as a top 5 even with the addition of OU and Texas. I guess we could go to a 6 game SEC schedule and play 6 directional schools and everyone would get a trophy.
Exactly. Those weeks in October where teams in sec play nichol state, Florida Atlantic etc. are boring as crap

Play nine games sec
Open season with some cupcakes
Take an extra bye week mid year if we need it

But playing four non conference games is goofy IMO
 
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The whole idea of a conference is for a group of teams to play one another regularly. It makes absolutely no sense for teams to go years without seeing one another.

As far as money and all that...the money will come. If ESPN is playing hardball, the SEC should just eat it for a year.

Essentially take the one-year franchise tag, ball out then cash out.

Play 9 games then start flirting around with Apple TV or Amazon Prime for the rights to that 9th game, that ESPN isn't willing to pay for, at least.

I think the money will come. Bob Iger just took back over. The stock price is as low as it's ever been. He's going to zero in on shit that makes money. Football, specifically SEC football is a money maker that's adding two big money makers.

The rating for the Bama v Longhorns game were record breaking and the Sooners will bring in top ratings as well so multiply those two by 3-4 big SEC brand names a year...UGA, Auburn, Bama, Vols, Florida...whoa nelly...

I'm not sure of the math on replacing an OOC puff with a conference game not being worth it.

As far as footing the bill to get rid of 14 OOC opponents...are we not cutting them checks to come play in the first place?

That money has already been budgeted and written off as a charitable donation.

Let's say it's a million bucks a pop...14 million x 4 years of scheduled games...56 million? Really, that's what's going to hold shit up?

56 million is going to hold up the SEC who is closing in on grossing a billion...and Disney who will lose that on multiple movies every year and not even notice?
 
The whole idea of a conference is for a group of teams to play one another regularly. It makes absolutely no sense for teams to go years without seeing one another.

As far as money and all that...the money will come. If ESPN is playing hardball, the SEC should just eat it for a year.

Essentially take the one-year franchise tag, ball out then cash out.

Play 9 games then start flirting around with Apple TV or Amazon Prime for the rights to that 9th game, that ESPN isn't willing to pay for, at least.

I think the money will come. Bob Iger just took back over. The stock price is as low as it's ever been. He's going to zero in on shit that makes money. Football, specifically SEC football is a money maker that's adding two big money makers.

The rating for the Bama v Longhorns game were record breaking and the Sooners will bring in top ratings as well so multiply those two by 3-4 big SEC brand names a year...UGA, Auburn, Bama, Vols, Florida...whoa nelly...

I'm not sure of the math on replacing an OOC puff with a conference game not being worth it.

As far as footing the bill to get rid of 14 OOC opponents...are we not cutting them checks to come play in the first place?

That money has already been budgeted and written off as a charitable donation.

Let's say it's a million bucks a pop...14 million x 4 years of scheduled games...56 million? Really, that's what's going to hold shit up?

56 million is going to hold up the SEC who is closing in on grossing a billion...and Disney who will lose that on multiple movies every year and not even notice?

To be fair in either an 8 or 9 game model you play every team once every 2 seasons.

If ESPN pays up I agree 0 reason not to go to 9. It's not gonna hurt for the playoff. I'd imagine the sec is capped at 3 teams in a 12 team playoff most years anyways. Maybe 4 if you have just 4 dominant teams that all go 10 and 2 or better. Don't see an extra conference game hurting that.
 
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Sounding more & more like 9 is dead for 2024 & probably 2025 as well
 
The whole idea of a conference is for a group of teams to play one another regularly. It makes absolutely no sense for teams to go years without seeing one another.

As far as money and all that...the money will come. If ESPN is playing hardball, the SEC should just eat it for a year.

Essentially take the one-year franchise tag, ball out then cash out.

Play 9 games then start flirting around with Apple TV or Amazon Prime for the rights to that 9th game, that ESPN isn't willing to pay for, at least.

I think the money will come. Bob Iger just took back over. The stock price is as low as it's ever been. He's going to zero in on shit that makes money. Football, specifically SEC football is a money maker that's adding two big money makers.

The rating for the Bama v Longhorns game were record breaking and the Sooners will bring in top ratings as well so multiply those two by 3-4 big SEC brand names a year...UGA, Auburn, Bama, Vols, Florida...whoa nelly...

I'm not sure of the math on replacing an OOC puff with a conference game not being worth it.

As far as footing the bill to get rid of 14 OOC opponents...are we not cutting them checks to come play in the first place?

That money has already been budgeted and written off as a charitable donation.

Let's say it's a million bucks a pop...14 million x 4 years of scheduled games...56 million? Really, that's what's going to hold shit up?

56 million is going to hold up the SEC who is closing in on grossing a billion...and Disney who will lose that on multiple movies every year and not even notice?
You know it doesn't take much time to fact check yourself, 2 min maybe, before you post. The SEC's new TV deal doesn't start until next year and runs through 2033. ESPN has no obligation to renegotiate even if the SEC adds games. In other words, if the SEC goes to 9 games they are doing it for FREE until 2033.
 
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If you read news from the business & economic world, the last damn thing ESPN & Disney are gonna do to anyone is give them free money. Word on the street is Disney will spin ESPN off to get their HUGE losses off their books.

And whoever buys ESPN is gonna be cutting TV contracts, not increasing. They badly overpay for NFL & NBA, don't get anywhere near return on investment. They bid against themselves, always driving up prices when no one else wants that much sports TV time.
 
I really want to see a 9 game SEC schedule. The Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 12 already play 9 conference games. Only the ACC and SEC remain at 8. With the playoffs expanding to 12 teams the extra conference game can only help. Just look at our first 3 games this year: Ball State, Eastern KY, and Akron. Anybody excited about those games? How does that build your resume? Strength of schedule will definitely impact the last few spots in a 12 team playoff.
 
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I really want to see a 9 game SEC schedule. The Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 12 already play 9 conference games. Only the ACC and SEC remain at 8. With the playoffs expanding to 12 teams the extra conference game can only help. Just look at our first 3 games this year: Ball State, Eastern KY, and Akron. Anybody excited about those games? How does that build your resume? Strength of schedule will definitely impact the last few spots in a 12 team playoff.

Uk isn't making the 12 team playoff unless we go 10 and 2 anyways IMO. 9 and 3 wouldn't have made it in 2021 or 2018.

I'm not sure adding another conference games helps UK find a way to go 10 and 2.
 
Never said wished for it, they don't scare me. Kirby is 3-0 against Kelly, 2-0 against Chumlee and Saban, who is the GOAT is at the age things started heading south for other GOATS, Bowden, JoePa and Bryant. I don't have may seasons left, I have seen all the sisters of the weak come to Athens for a check I care to see.
Really, Kirby is 2-0 against Saban? More like 2-4 since he's been at UGA and, yes, winning the last 2. the all knowing BS on a UK board gets old.

Saban is still pulling in #1 ranked recruiting classes like last year. they very well could be down this year with no QB(and I think UK could very well beat them if out OL is solid) but things are cyclical and UGA will not always be what the are now. It was very fortunate for Bennette to turn into what he was. Although listening to you it's like UGA was always top of the heap and always will be.
 
I am as big a SEC homer as they get, but playing in the SEC isn't the meat grinding schedule folks want to claim. 3 teams in the East will struggle getting to a bowl, possibly 4. Same for the west. When almost half the conference w. ill be struggling to get bowl eligible it isn't a meat grinder of a schedule. Now the SEC is very top heavy good with 5-6 teams that are very good, but the rest would have trouble with decent group of 5 teams. If teams all got the same money for conference games, but mony from OOC games was based the OOC team, would you still want 3-4 directional schools on the schedule that cost you 20m a year?

Beg to differ. You have five teams that have won championships in 20 years. SEC dominates OOC games and bowl games.

Add in two more historical powers to the league and it's even worse. There is no reason to believe that 8 SEC games + 1 9 P5 game is less difficult than other (lesser) leagues playing nine games against one another.
 
Uk isn't making the 12 team playoff unless we go 10 and 2 anyways IMO. 9 and 3 wouldn't have made it in 2021 or 2018.

I'm not sure adding another conference games helps UK find a way to go 10 and 2.
Agreed that we will almost assuredly need 10-2 for the 12 team playoff. adding a 9th game certainly doesn't help but I'm sure we'd drop UL. And as much as I hate to say it, Brohm will have them competitive soon with his Offense and Addidas pockets. So not as huge a trade out as it would be recently.

Looking ahead...it would be REALLY nice if we had Leary for next year. Almost everyone will be back. with A good QB it could be a 10-2 year. Big IF
 
Wonder who we play in SEC besides our new biggest rival South Carolina?
 
With all due respect, you are wrong. As it stands, ESPN is refusing to add more money for the additional games. That's the whole point of this argument. Why would we play more for free? For UK we are more concerned about revenue, because the teams were are chasing bring in 2-4x the revenue that we do. The haves are asking the have nots to take one for the league without additional compensation. If I'm Mitch I have a revenue number in mind and I'm not letting go until we are compensated for giving up the home game. We already have difficulty keeping up why on earth would we give up millions of our revenue to the benefit of the league? If ESPN changes their minds and sweetens the TV deal, then by all means, but so far that have indicated they are not negotiating.
You are correct. Thats why the SEC will not move to a 9 game schedule at the moment- at least one huge reason IMO. When the TV money starts talking - the SEC will start listening - I would expect nothing more or nothing less. College football has in reality always been minor league football and provided a football team for every state and city to cheer for that isn't into the pro game. The College game is special to someone like me - I rarely watch pro football and usually just the championship games. Why? Because ,myself and many like me, are fans of their alma mater or state school! I could care less about the Buffalo Bills or the New York Jets. I was never a Bengals fan either. But many thrive on those teams. The college game was closer to my heart - and it will always be that way for me! That is why I hate NIL and even the portal - as the programs with lots of money will end up dominating most years - and schools like Kentucky, who didn't provide well for football in the past, will not find it as easy as Clemson did to climb the ladder of success in the future.

Go Big Blue!
 
Another discussion from last week about a 9 game schedule was the requirement of power 5 out of conference games. Seems like the sentiment was opposition to this. If so UK will drop UL quickly, irregardless of what Florida and Georgia and S Carolina do with their ACC opponents. We can't operate in an environment playing 10 power 5 games when others in the SEC might just play 9.
 
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