Michigan St. is hot garbage
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Thanks Stonewall. I wish you guys good luck this season, and can't wait to watch Cal "develop" more pro basketball players.
thats crap fans say. scouts are everywhere all the time. recruits trust cal more than they do other coaches. and with good reason. he doesnt let them down as often as other coaches do.
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Bottom line is Izzo is a system guy And guys that only want to wait one year aren't flocking to MSU because if it.
Now, Izzo has a stud coming in next year, lets see what happens shall we?
And where us Booker at right now? The only reason Ulis isn't in the NBA is because he's only 5'9" tall. Plus, you picked out two guys from a once in a lifetime team and it was a terrible example For your argument because one of those two is in the league even though he played minimal minutes.
Bottom line is Izzo is a system guy And guys that only want to wait one year aren't flocking to MSU because if it.
Now, Izzo has a stud coming in next year, lets see what happens shall we?
Not really. I am unimpressed with them, and just because they pulled one out of their asses doesn't change my opinion. They couldn't do anything on offense until Valentine got touched by God. I think Kansas is even worse and waaaaaaaay overrated. Beating Kansas on a miracle comeback doesn't do it for me.
I used Tum Tum because I like the name but nevertheless, Tom needs to show he can take a stud and make him a lottery pick after 1 season. I don't think he can. It would interrupt his system. That's not a shot at Tom, it's just a fact. He has a method he follows to run his program and He sticks to that method. He isn't interested in doing what Cal, K and Self are doing.
You MSU fans keep saying Izzo doesn't have a shot at these kids. That's so far from the truth, he certainly does have a shot at them but he needs to walk the walk that Cal walks on a daily basis to get those kids. Does Tom Work the AAU Circuit all summer like Cal? What does he tell these kids when he recruits them?
Izzo has MSU On that tier of teams just below the blue bloods, he is big enough in this sport that he should be easily able to get top players. So tell me, what excuse are you going to use? He can get them but he refuses to budge on his morals or his system. He doesn't want a Team full of 1 and dones, it's hard to replace your whole Team every year.
Self gets 1 and done players too. Not as many as Cal but he gets plenty enough To be mentioned in the same sentence as Cal.
Izzo works as hard as anyone on the recruiting trail. He followed Bridges around all summer on the AAU circuit just like Cal did.
I don't get what you mean with his "morals" or "system." The kids we lose that are one and dones have went to primarily Kansas, UNC, and Kentucky.
I will ask again: What kids has Izzo landed that should have been one and done and the "system" he runs held them back? Gary Harris could have been a one and done, but chose to come back for his Sophomore year.
Langford and Bridges will likely have the opportunity to be one and dones after next year. Bridges will start and Langford has a good shot too as well. Also, if Josh Jackson ends up in college, as of now it seems likely that it will be MSU.
Landing Langford, Bridges, and Jackson will go a long way towards Izzo's recruiting going forward.
I didn't say he wants a team full of one and dones but he's not opposed to having a couple. He recruited Jabari Parker hard for 4+ years, and we seemed to have a good shot with him until the Mom fell in love with Duke.
My point is that you said Jamal Murray would have to sit the bench behind Tum at MSU which is completely false. Izzo plays the best players just like Cal does.
I bet you Charles Mathews would have a bigger role at MSU this year than he is going to have at Kentucky. Hell, next year probably too with you guys having Monk and Fox coming in.
You're asking the wrong questions IMO. The question is, "If all these kids are NBA ready, why isn't Izzo getting them?" And the crap about handlers that one of your green brethren posted is crap; losers say that kind of stuff. Also, if he is recruiting these kids, then he most definitely wants a team of one and dones, but for some reason they're not going to MSU. Again, why is that?
Because Duke and Kentucky are arguably the two best programs in college basketball, and that's who we have been going up against for those kids just like I said in earlier posts. We have landed some. Gary Harris could have been one. Langford and Bridges can be next year. Hopefully we can add Jackson. He isn't interested in Duke or UK.
Also, saying handlers are involved with some of these kids isn't crap. Not every kid we've lost to other schools has been because of handlers, but a few have. Cliff Alexander cough cough. As you know, he had to sit out the end of last season, and leave because he likely would not have been eligible this year.
Izzo made public comments about it so that's how you know it was really bad.
UK recruits way more of the top recruits than we do. Your pull is better. You can already sell NBA success, Cal is a marketing genius/recruiter, etc, etc.
Izzo tends to recruit the potential one and done kids in the Midwest. He doesn't go outside of his recruiting landscape very often unless there's a connection with a kid.
Cal gets involved with every top player in the country regardless of where they are located. Both have been successful using their strategies.
No. Im saying handlers have been involved in SOME recruitments though aka Cliff Alexander. Caleb Swanigan is another although not that cheating was necessarily involved but his guardian (Roosevelt Barnes) definitely pushed him to Purdue and there was a lot of baggage with his recruitment. The majority of kids we have lost are to big time programs like UK. It's not like we are losing many recruits to mid majors.
I think more than anything its also about where they get draftedwhen discussing the OADs. A top 10-15 pick in the nba under Cal typically moves up in the draft boards, or stays the same in draft position, very rarely moves down. I think we see with other coaches more times than not a player either stays the same, or falls slightly in the draft when coached by a different coach. It doesnt always happen like this, but i think its safe to say it historically does. The players that Cal had had fall on draft boards all had glaring weaknesses. Not all 5* prospects turn into NBA players or superstars. I think thats obvious. But Cal develops quicker than anyone else, and helps their stock more than any coach more times than not
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Izzo is going to get his players. Basically, I agree, there is UK and Duke, then everyone else getting the 5* players. We all know Izzo is a great coach. Your team is good this year, and I think potential F4. Every year, produces a hardworking team. Most fans on here have a lot of respect for MSU and your program.
Are you talking about me? What have I said that was annoying and not level-headed? I've given praise to UK.
Cuonzo Martin doesn't seem to be having an issue pulling top talent at Cal. Ben Howland isn't having any problems pulling top talent to Mississippi State and neither of those schools are anywhere near the same level as Michigan State and those coaches aren't even close to the same level as Izzo. Don't use the excuse that UK, Duke and KU have the market cornered. There are plenty of big fish out there for Izzo but is track record is glaringly obvious , he wants kids to stay and sustain a group of veterans to keep MSU in the top 10 every year. And you know what? He's probably telling these recruits the truth. TI is as honest as they come, he isn't going to hide anything. If you're a one and done kid you aren't going to sign up for that. I wouldn't take a chance on my NBA stock if I was a top recruit, I'm going where one and done is more welcomed.
What one and dones other than Newman possibly has Mississippi State landed? They've loaded up on top 50-100 guys which is where Izzo gets lots of guys every year. They aren't beating UK and Duke out for guys other than Newman and Newman's father played at Mississippi State.
Cuonzo Martin had one really good recruiting class with Rabb and Brown. Let's see him sustain it over multiple years.
Izzo has no problem with coaching a one and done. He loves Bridges and said he has the ability to be a one and done kid. He sold Jabari Parker on being the missing link to a National Title. He wanted Okafor bad. He knows these kids are only spending a year in school.
izzo's take on basketball is part of the reason the sport is so unwatchable at times. merging football physicality with basketball. we dont have skillfull players...but will muck up the game enough so we can compete.
izzo and coaches like him...disaster.
i'm sure he is a nice guy though
Mississippi State has two studs signed for next year.
Yup, one class so far from Martin but it's a great class. Most of us are keeping an eye on that because it's very odd that Cuonzo Martin landed all those guys.
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