Michigan St. is hot garbage
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Ulis was theirs to lose for most of his recruitment, but once Cal came calling, it was over. Interestingly enough, if it weren't for Emmanuel Mudiay shocking everyone and picking SMU over us, then we wouldn't have Ulis now. Funny how things work out for the better sometimes isn't it?
I know exactly what im talking about, you recruit guys, becuase you got too. His style and old school ways and lack of getting guys to the NBA is the reason. Hell we had more guys get drafted last year than MSU has in the L, period.
Right cause Izzo wouldn't have put Wall, Cousins, Davis, Towns, Bledsoe, etc in the NBA. Please.
What style? Cause he demands defense to get on the court? He likes to run as much as anyone.
Gotta love Kentucky fans like you. Land top 10 prospect after top 10 prospect and talk about getting kids to the league. 90% of the kids were NBA players before they even stepped foot on Kentucky's campus.
What does being a fan of the one and done or not being a fan of it have to do with anything? It doesn't mean he doesn't want those kids. He's said time after time he wants the top players.
Just because he isn't a fan of the system doesn't mean he doesn't want kids that are only gonna stay in college for a year.
So true rab, Cal had a completely different vision for Tyler then he did for his other big PGs and did not succumb to those who said he was too small. Cal has a great sense when it comes to the players he recruits when is amazing to me. With what we know now, Mich State would have been greatly enhanced if he would have went there last year. Cal is the man.
never know. look at what self did last night with bragg. best pro prospect on the floor and he played like 5 minutes. self...a soon to be hall of fame coach...did that.
Don't get me wrong. Cal is great at setting players up for the NBA, and I'll give him credit for that. I just think it's kind of funny when UK fans talk about Izzo not putting players in the league. That's how it was talked about during the Bridges recruitment. Go to UK and play one year, or be stuck at MSU for four years under Izzo.
Izzo would have more players in the league if he landed top ranked recruits like you guys. You guys just pulled in three guys in the top 10 in a one week span. That's more than MSU has had in the last decade.
And regarding Self, he has been pretty bad with top ranked recruits. Sure Wiggins, and Embiid went high, but look at Selby, Henry, etc.
Ask Coach Self if it's that easy to get a OAD drafted? Your side argument of anybody can do it is completely wrong.
You just contradicted your own argument, not every coach can work with highly touted recruits and place them in the NBA.
You and I have heard different interviews Then because I have never heard Tom say he wanted the top guys. He has always gone after system guys. Yes he has recruited the 5* guys but he would never play them like Cal does, they would have to wait in line. He has said many times that kids that leave his program early are not good for what he's trying to do.
Now go ahead and try to deny he has said these things.
Like I've said to another state fan, be careful what you say because I am closer to Izzo than you would ever believe.
He would have put those players in the league, no doubt about it, but it wouldn't be after hear freshman season. It's tough to impress scouts from the bench.
Okay but you need to understand why Izzo isn't landing guys like James Young abd Ulis. Tom Izzo is as honest as they come and he has a system he uses, he's not going to put a freshman in the starting lineup ahead if his juniors and seniors and I would bet my next paycheck that he makes that very clear when he's recruiting these kids. Murray isn't going to want to play behind Tum Tum Nairne. There's a reason he isn't getting these kids. Look at the 5 star kids he has managed to land, how long were they in school. Think about it.
I kinda agree with this. MSU didn't look so good for 30 of the 40 minutes and it was the Valentine show. They are down a couple guys and it is November, but they are largely a veteran team. As is Kansas, I suppose.
While both will be better in March, their ceiling and room for growth isn't the same as what a freshmen laden team is.
If you think that John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, Anthony Davis, Karl Anthony-Towns, Devin Booker, etc, etc wouldn't have played huge roles right away as a freshman, then I don't know what to tell you.
Gary Harris is the highest ranked recruit we have landed in recent years outside of the 2016 class. He started right away as a true freshmen and could have left after his freshman year. HE choose to come back because he wanted to pursue a National Title and he loved college.
What players that had tons of NBA potential has Izzo held back?
Like I said, pretty much all of the kids you guys land are NBA players before they step foot on campus. Many wouldn't even go to college if they didn't have too.
Is Calipari going to be the reason Monk and Fox are really good next year, and probably lottery picks in 2017? No!
Great coach, great program, great recruiter, but all you Kentucky fans saying Cal puts players in the NBA and Izzo doesn't is ludicrous.
You think Miles Bridges is going to sit the bench next year? I will bet anything that he's a starter next year and has a huge role.
You do know that Ulis and Booker came off the bench last year right? I mean it's your team, you know they didn't start.
Jamal Murray would not be sitting behind Tum Tum. Izzo doesn't just play people because they are juniors and seniors. That's completely false.
He didn't land James Young because Young dreamed of being a Cat and playing for Cal. It had 0% to do with how he plays freshmen. Bridges, Langford, Winston, and Ward will all have big roles for us next year, and I could see 3 of them starting.
Charles Mathews was a kid we wanted. Did he even play last night?
Let's hear em.
Kind of like how Cal did with the Harrison twins and Dakari Johnson?
Take a good ling look at Skal right now. He's projected to be the #1 overall pick in the draft. Could you tell Skal is a potential #1 pick last night? He's not NBA ready right now and neither was AD in his first few games. Nobody outside of the UK fanbase understands that.
You see, if Tom had Skal you better believe Skal would be riding the pine until next year. Cal starts him. That's the difference.
Skal would have been a top pick right out of HS. He was the #1 recruit in the nation. Calipari will have 0% to do with him going high in the 2016 NBA Draft. 0%.
It doesn't matter if they are NBA "ready" or not. The point is Skal is already an NBA player. It will have nothing to do with Calipari putting players in the league.
yup. coaches like self, pitino, izzo....players need to learn "their" system first. those coaches make it about them.
cal...go ball, just rebound with 2 hands.
thats why players love cal so much, its why elite players come to uk despite having a loaded roster. other fans just dont get it.
So let me get this straight. Kids like Davis, Cousins, Randle, Wall, Labisierre, Murray, Monk, Fox, etc end up in Lexington because Calipari can put players in the league? Please. That's such a myth. Those kids could go play for a D3 school and be a top pick. The only reason they aren't is because they have to go to school or go overseas for a year.
And UK fans just don't get that almost every kid you guys land is already going to be an NBA player regardless of their one year on campus.
You didn't answer the question. If they are all NBA ready, and it doesn't matter where they go, why don't they end up at MSU? It's not like MSU is Kennesaw State. You guys have a good program year in and year out with a good coach. So why don't ANY of them go to East Lansing?
Because Kentucky is a blue blood basketball program, and he is an amazing recruiter, and it's the one sport that matters at your school.
its a trust issue. fans trust their coaches so much. fans love their coaches. fans fight with other fans regarding how their coach "develops" better than anyone else or runs better x's and o's.
players dont care. players want a coach that doesnt F them up. players want to play in a system that showcases them. not their coaches x's and o's.
cal is the safe choice. no coach is 100%. there are tons of 5 star players that go to other schools and are there for years. most elite recruits dont want to go the adrian payne route or alex poythress route. but with cal...its the safe choice.
Uh, last I checked we beat out you guys for Gary Harris, Adreian Payne, and Miles Bridges.
Langford and Bridges are both potential one and dones.
We've lost all of them to you guys, Kansas, and Duke basically. All blue blood basketball programs.
Look, Calipari has had a ton of success at UK, but he's not perfect. Look at the Harrison twins. Look at Dakari Johnson. Is Marquis Teague even in the league anymore? James Young is in the D League. Poythress has been there 4 years, etc.
It is a safe choice going to UK, but you are also playing for the program that has the most exposure and college basketball and a school that has fans that are crazy for it.
You make zero sense. Zero. If you think these kids are coming to UK because we are a "blue blood" (although we are) then you are seriously out of touch. I'd be willing to bet that most don't know what a blue blood program is. They are coming to play for Cal. The dude who is cutting edge in everything he does ( see: embracing one and done, combine, etc...). The dude who has spent time in the league and wins games. Period. If he was at Michigan State you guys would be getting these kids. But he's not, and that's why you have to be happy with the occasional 5*.
As far as being the "one sport that matters at your school", you think Jamal Murray gives a damn about how good a school's football team is? Stop.
As far as being the "one sport that matters at your school", you think Jamal Murray gives a damn about how good a school's football team is? Stop.
Coach Cal is better at preparing and training kids for what their role will be in the NBA from day 1. Better than any other coach in the country at this. When he says he runs a player first program, he does, and he does it better than anyone else. THAT is why players come here. To get the best prepared for the NBA they can.
OK, maybe I spoke a little early as far as the outcome of the game. I am still not impressed though. They were getting dominated for a good portion of that game and it took a miracle game from Valentine to pull out the win. I think this speaks louder to the fact that Kansas may not be a top tier team. To have that much experience and piss away a lead like that shouldn't happen. The gap between Kansas and their opponents will only get smaller as the year goes on. This is when they should be beating better teams, because in 2 months young teams will have developed chemistry that Kansas's players should already have. OH and for all you MSU fans on our board looking for an apology from me......................Good luck
You honestly think Murray wouldn't start over Tum Tum?
You are fooling yourself.
And Izzo has put plenty of guys in the league...just because he doesn't do it as much as UK and Duke is stupid. He's elite at developing talent no matter if you are a 5 star or 3 star.
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No doubt. That's like saying in football if you don't put as many guys in the league as Alabama or Ohio State you are doing something wrong and kids dont want to play for you.
No...its just the fact there can only be a couple teams at the top that are that good at it. A lot of these kids Izzo doesn't have a chance to get...we all now the reason why. Look at Cliff's Alexander's recruitment and how he ended up at KU over MSU for example.
Cal is known to operate with handlers and in the gray area. That's fine. That's his schtick. Whatever works.
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