Mayors of major US Cities are saying

[Blue_2_the_bone]

You can’t let epidemiologist run a country just like you can’t let pure economist run the country. If things aren’t back up by fall we have worse problems than no sports in our hands. We’ll be in the worst depression ever seen and more people will die of poverty, crime and lack of access than the virus could ever kill.

 

[GoNoles111]

If you think the NFL aint gonna run its season you're about plum dumb.

 

[sambowieshin]

H1N1 was far more widespread on the US (60 million cases) and was declared by Pres Obama as a pandemic. Ten years ago. 7 years before that was SARS, also declared a pandemic. So, yes every ten years. And the refrain of 'this time is different' may prove to be, once again, untrue.

Most recent estimates of fatalities is 60k and dropping. Worse than the flu, for sure, but bankrupting the country and with it the rest of the world seems like too high a price to pay.

And if you don't think the Left is milking this for all it's worth and hoping the economy stays in the shitter until they can get Joe elected, you're beyond help.

H1N1 killed about 15k Americans over 12 months. It never overwhelmed the U.S. medical system.
Coronavirus has killed about 30k Americans in only 6 weeks. It brought New York's medical system to it's knees. Without shutting the country down, it would have done worse to the rest of the country.
Comparing H1N1 to Coronavirus is like comparing a house cat to a mountain lion.

 

[sambowieshin]

If you think the NFL aint gonna run its season you're about plum dumb.

Only way it rolls is if players agree to keep playing even if exposed to the virus. If not, any time a player tests positive, the whole team...or good chunk of it will be quarantined for two weeks. Not a good recipe for weekly matchups.

 

[GoNoles111]

H1N1 killed about 15k Americans over 12 months. It never overwhelmed the U.S. medical system.
Coronavirus has killed about 30k Americans in only 6 weeks. It brought New York's medical system to it's knees. Without shutting the country down, it would have done worse to the rest of the country.
Comparing H1N1 to Coronavirus is like comparing a house cat to a mountain lion.

Im not saying you're wrong but it can be kind of misleading. For example if a 400 pound guy dies of a heart attack while eating a double cheeseburger, if he had Corona then it counts as a corona death.

 

[sambowieshin]

The National Debt like playing golf only matters sometimes, depending on who is president at the time. Right now its no big deal.

No doubt. Where's the Tea Bag Party now??

 

[sambowieshin]

Im not saying you're wrong but it can be kind of misleading. For example if a 400 pound guy dies of a heart attack while eating a double cheeseburger, if he had Corona then it counts as a corona death.

I'm using CDC stats.

 

[Global Havok]

H1N1 was far more widespread on the US (60 million cases) and was declared by Pres Obama as a pandemic. Ten years ago. 7 years before that was SARS, also declared a pandemic. So, yes every ten years. And the refrain of 'this time is different' may prove to be, once again, untrue.

Most recent estimates of fatalities is 60k and dropping. Worse than the flu, for sure, but bankrupting the country and with it the rest of the world seems like too high a price to pay.

And if you don't think the Left is milking this for all it's worth and hoping the economy stays in the shitter until they can get Joe elected, you're beyond help.

Oh lord. Yes, there have been pandemics. I said jo pandemics on this scale. You do realize not all pandemics are created equally, right?

I didnt realize the left had the power to shut down the economy and "milk" this on their own. Guess my republican governor is a secret leftist. Guess the same folks are shutting down economies all over the world just to hurt Trump, right? Do you realize how insane that theory is? The economy is shut down because our medical professionals and politicians (and pretty much all of them across the world) agreed it was the proper way to respond. This isn't some conspiracy to get Trump.

 

[GoNoles111]

I'm using CDC stats.

Yes, and anyone who had even a trace of it is lumped in with everyone else in the death toll. A 400 pound person with diabetes eating a cheeseburger is counted the same as a healthy 25 year old with no other conditions. Again, the numbers are right no doubt, but you can skew them a little.

 

[bushrod1965]

I am more scared of a redneck like you.

Sorry friend, but the tRump crowd has the market cornered on rednecks . . . video highlights of a tRump rally include 10,000 people in the stands and 15 teeth between all of them with trucknuts and gunracks on every pickup truck in the parking lot, with most of the married couples having met at homeschool.

 

[Global Havok]

1. Argumentum ad verecundiam.

2. Recent metastudies strongly indicate Bubonic was generally spread by lice infesting humans, not rats as long believed.

3. I agree with most of this. Then again, we didn't have multination-funded gain-of-function experiments churning out chimeric viruses every three months for research purposes a hundred years ago, either. The foreseeable future's not what it used to be.

4. Why in the Sam Hill are you here and not over on The Paddock where you belong?

1. "Don't tell me what the experts are saying about it. Thats a logical fallacy!!"

2. Yes, lice contributed to it. Did you know that lice are way harder to spread than the coronavirus? According to google, you can kill off the plague easily with antibiotics. Which makes it even more absurd to compare the bubonic plague in modern times to COVID.

3. Our own intelligence agencies have said that evidence points to this being a virus that originated naturally within wildlife. Read about it earlier today, I can try and hunt down the link if you're interested.

4. Because I dont post on the Paddock and my post was on topic to the post I replied to, and not political at all? Why are you posting in this thread and not on the Paddock where you belong?

 

[YaySports]

H1N1 killed about 15k Americans over 12 months. It never overwhelmed the U.S. medical system.
Coronavirus has killed about 30k Americans in only 6 weeks. It brought New York's medical system to it's knees. Without shutting the country down, it would have done worse to the rest of the country.
Comparing H1N1 to Coronavirus is like comparing a house cat to a mountain lion.

New York brought its own medical system to its knees by being one of the last to implement forms of social distancing. CDC predicts that death toll in New York could have been reduced 50-80% if they practiced precautions a week or 2 earlier. Look at places like Florida and California where beaches were open for at minimum a week while everywhere else was on lockdown. Some of these places shot themselves in the foot with their carelessness.

 

[JumperJack]

Sorry friend, but the tRump crowd has the market cornered on rednecks . . . video highlights of a tRump rally include 10,000 people in the stands and 15 teeth between all of them with trucknuts and gunracks on every pickup truck in the parking lot, with most of the married couples having met at homeschool.

The Deplorables comment literally changed world history, but you haven’t learned a damn thing from it.

Here is liberal sophistication at peak. This is the extent of what they have to offer.

 

[UKvisitor]

We'd need two million official cases for it to be one half a percent right now we have a little under 650K

current Google results
Worldwide:
Confirmed 2,060,927
Recovered 511,356
Deaths 134,354
D% = 6.519 %

 

[chroix]

The idea that we will return to normal is as far fetched as the idea that we will never reopen. Things are going to change. Businesses will adapt or die. It’s how shit works. How it impacts sports seems pretty minor but I’d think large public gatherings are a thing of the past until there is a vaccine. If a vaccine is even viable. You going to risk standing in a crowd of 60k people and hope that nobody is an asymptomatic carrier in the mix just so you can be entertained in person?

People blaming this on liberals are being used and abused by people they have put their faith in. The idea that this is somehow benefiting any group is ridiculous. Step away from the Kool Aid and think about who that propaganda might benefit. Stop being manipulated by people who care about their own bottom lines over the lives of you and or your loved ones. This stupid shit about Bill Gates orchestrating this is the dumbest of dumb theories. It’s a stupid device used to deflect blame from the incompetent handling of a crisis. How many times can you fall for the same trick before you realize you’ve been duped?

 

[chroix]

The Deplorables comment literally changed world history, but you haven’t learned a damn thing from it.

Here is liberal sophistication at peak. This is the extent of what they have to offer.

The deplorable statement is a huge mistake and damaging to our country. You can’t act like the right doesn’t put just as much effort into keeping us divided as the left though. It’s kind of up to us as actual people to bridge the gap. Judging anecdotally from this place, it ain’t gonna happen anytime soon.

 

[JumperJack]

The deplorable statement is a huge mistake and damaging to our country. You can’t act like the right doesn’t put just as much effort into keeping us divided as the left though. It’s kind of up to us as actual people to bridge the gap. Judging anecdotally from this place, it ain’t gonna happen anytime soon.

The right does not have near the control of media or education. That has to be acknowledged. When those institutions relentlessly condemn half the population for having different thoughts, it’s hard to find common ground.

 

[chroix]

The right does not have near the control of media or education. That has to be acknowledged. When those institutions relentlessly condemn half the population for having different thoughts, it’s hard to find common ground.

ok acknowledged. Can we move past that or do we just keep fighting the same fight? That fight is what both sides of the media want, even count on. The PEOPLE need to rise above the bullshit and come together to solve our common problems.

 

[chroix]

Also have to add that media exists as a means to deliver advertising. Media requires eyeballs and ears or media goes away. The ball is truly in the people’s court. (Wapner reference completely unintentional).

 

[JumperJack]

ok acknowledged. Can we move past that or do we just keep fighting the same fight? That fight is what both sides of the media want, even count on. The PEOPLE need to rise above the bullshit and come together to solve our common problems.

Yes to that.

 

[Tskware]

1. We are already working towards herd immunity. The social distancing is to slow the spread of the disease throughout the population, not to stop it from spreading. Had we not done the social distancing and shutdown, we would have reached herd immunity much faster at the cost of completely overwhelming our health care system (which still happened in the hot zones that popped up before the shutdown). This would increase deaths from COVID-19, as well as every other source of emergency (car crashes, gunshots, workplace accidents... etc wouldn't get cared for in an overwhelmed heathcare system. The amount of deaths would be staggering. We will not safely reach herd immunity without a vaccine according to every expert I've read discuss this (I'm open to any sources you can provide that suggest otherwise).

2. You mention the bubonic plague, as if that is a highly contagious pathogen that passes from person to person. The bubonic plague is rarely spread from person to person. Social distancing or shutting down portions of the economy wouldn't stop the bubonic plague. You are comparing apples to cucumbers.

3. We haven't had a pandemic on this level in 100 years, but you think we are going to have another one like this every decade for the foreseeable future? I mean it is possible I suppose, but I'd love to know what you are basing this on. We have had diseases that have a higher mortality rate by far, but they were no where near as contagious as COVID-19 (SARS 15% death rate). We've had diseases that spread as easy or easier than COVID-19 but they were not as deadly (H1N1 infected 24% of the world, but only killed .02% of those infected.) The fact that COVID-19 can lie dormant for so long before symptoms present, the fact that it takes long term care for those who present severe symptoms and the fact that it is so contagious make this a rare pandemic. When was the last time American hospitals were running out of space to store dead bodies during a pandemic? The answer to that question should let you know this isn't a once in every ten years type of event.

I think you are missing his point, which was pretty clear. Of course, COVID is not spread like Bubonic Plague or Polio, but the point was that 700 years after it killed 30% of Europe, BP is still around, and even with a rock solid vaccine for Polio, it took another 70 years to eradicate it. So it seems reasonable to me that we are going to have to deal with Covid 19 long before we have a 100% effective vaccine, assuming of course that it proves even possible to make one.

And I wouldn't be too sure about pandemics. This is far different from the world of 1918. Wasn't World War I the "War to end all wars"? Hope it will be another 100 years, but there are several times more people living on the planet, who have the ability to spread a disease by jet travel all the way across a continent in an afternoon.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Gavin Newsome is an empty suit. He'll do whatever the others do or what benefits him the most politically....like most politicians. The mayor of LA closed the place down first then 2 hours later Gavin had to get on the tv not to be outdone.

But congrats, someone was able to make a chart that shows the US, which is the richest country on earth, its largest populated state (11 million more than the next closest state) also turns out to have a larger GDP. Real mind bending stuff. What doesnt make sense is with all that $ why they also have the largest homeless population...especially near their wealthier cities. It's almost like these govt ideas have unintended consequences

 

[Global Havok]

I think you are missing his point, which was pretty clear. Of course, COVID is not spread like Bubonic Plague or Polio, but the point was that 700 years after it killed 30% of Europe, BP is still around, and even with a rock solid vaccine for Polio, it took another 70 years to eradicate it. So it seems reasonable to me that we are going to have to deal with Covid 19 long before we have a 100% effective vaccine, assuming of course that it proves even possible to make one.

And I wouldn't be too sure about pandemics. This is far different from the world of 1918. Wasn't World War I the "War to end all wars"? Hope it will be another 100 years, but there are several times more people living on the planet, who have the ability to spread a disease by jet travel all the way across a continent in an afternoon.

I think you are the one missing the point. It is still around, but doesn't kill people who seek treatment. Which is exactly where we are trying to get with the current pandemic.

COVID-19 will likely never get completely eliminated, and that is not the point of the actions we are taking. The entire point of the actions we are taking is to delay the disease spreading so we can safely reach herd immunity using vaccines. The fact that 20 out of 200+ million people in America catch the plague in a year has absolutely nothing to do with COVID-19, or what we are trying to accomplish with our response to the disease. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about the fact that we are trying to save lives, not wipe the virus completely off the face of the Earth (which is not going to happen.) We will never have 100% effective vaccine, by the way. That is not how vaccines work.

Everything else in your post is pure conjecture, and nothing in science or history agree with the idea that we are suddenly going to be getting pandemics like this every 10 years. "You never know" is not an argument that trumps evidence throughout history.

 

[CatOfDaVille]

This thread really does have it all.

-arguments between righties and lefties.
-parody accounts posting nonsense
-sweeping generalizations and misinformation
-a poster with a picture of his wife for all of the anonymous world to see
-cringey posters thirsting after the aforementioned poster's wife

As Cousin Eddie said, "I don't know about the cat, but I sure am enjoying it."

 

[BlueRaider22]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...path-sports-comeback-without-fans/5136306002/




https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/dr-fauci-baseball-empty-stadiums







There'll be sports this yr.

 

[TOMCATS1990]

Here is the problem the country and the world is facing. One Boston homeless shelter tested all 400 people. 36% tested positive for the coronavirus and every one of them was Asymptomatic.

 

[ganner918]

Here is the problem the country and the world is facing. One Boston homeless shelter tested all 400 people. 36% tested positive for the coronavirus and every one of them was Asymptomatic.

That sucks, but the silver lining is it won't take long for that population to ALL have had it and recovered and they should no longer be a vector.