Matt Jones Update
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There's no way Roach got $1.5M unless Baylor has an NIL war chest of $20M. Agents lie about Professional contracts to make them more appealing to future clients so when you see "This player signs for $250M....." and then read the terms and it's a 4 yr deal worth $40M with incentives if he reaches them to get that--why wouldn't it be the same with NIL $ and dumb down on the CBB scale?
As sickened by NIL era as most fans are-this was going on all the time but just under the table and a lot of these guys are now having to pay taxes where the other $ was under the table. So they are actually losing $ now compared to the the old days.
This is an excuse and made up by Jones regarding Roach-every piece of that info is inaccurate and a lie.
St. John's is perceived to be the leader--for those with HOB--trust what Travis Graf says about this player-he knows his camp well and has accurate information.
Richmond is a very talented guy--ball dominant but tough. I wasn't his biggest fan until seeing him this year and loved how he willed that Seton Hall team to an NIT title in tough environment. Just exudes toughness.
He was going to sit out mid year due to NIL dispute at Seton Hall but stayed on and led them.
Kentucky getting involved--hope it goes somewhere.
Exactly why many were unimpressed with this hire. Xs & Os are great and all, but without the Jimmy's and Jo's, it doesn't matter. I'm 100% behind Pope, but.... nothing in his background proves that he can land talent at the level needed to win here.
Richmond, with Robinson, wells(favorite player in the portal hope Kentucky gets him) and a good 2 guard would be fun
Matt Jones is completely FOS. He's cashing in on the portal news cycle and playing this up at every opportunity. I don't think I have seen him scoop anything legitimate in YEARS.
Couldn't or WOULDN"T try and compete with Baylor ? I do not think anybody said UK couldn't. Also, what if when Baylor upped their ante, he didn't commit on the spot ? You are making a lot of assumptions and then calling someone else out for saying what they know / was told happened. Unless you have proof that the story didn't happen like it was said, you are doing worse than who is reporting. you are a well respected poster, but,,,
Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think the focus needs to be on changing the culture here rather than worrying about recruiting classes. Those demanding the most NIL are not likey to be interested in playing for the name on the front of the jersey. They're likely to continue with the culture that we were all sick of. I think Pope is worrying about "fit" this year, and then things settle down with the new system, he'll try and get a star or two.
I have to say I am worried about the same thing. People are pointint to every reason why this isn't the case but I think when the hire happened we ALL immediately thought this very thought. We will see how it all plays out. I fully support him also.
I didn’t get the number from Jones. Several CBB sites were reporting that was his asking price. Did Jones originate the rumor spread of that number? Idk and frankly, couldn’t care less. The issue is no one knows what any of these guys are getting, asking for, or using as negotiations against other schools.
At least with the NBA, this stuff is public so there can be fair agreements, terms, and negotiations according to the market.
If you’re UK, and Roach says X school is offering 1.5m so top it, you just have to trust all these guys are being honest which is doubtful which means you either pony up the cash or call their bluff.
Needs to be a culture change for sure I agree but that doesn't mean we should be done attempting to bring in the best talent we can.
I listened to the show and he never said a players name , Roach or otherwise. My guess was Storr, but that’s just a guess, I wouldn’t present my guess as fact, which is apparently what LXWildcat did.
The days of guys playing for the name on the front are over has been for years.
You are dead on about the rest though. The key is identifying the right guys. Hurley has shown the world the modern blueprint for winning. If Pope can follow that model he will be fine. Hurley had more pro's on his last 2 teams than Cal but it was the right guys.
Our culture is winning so that should be the focus. You can’t tell me that one significant player in the portal wants to be here solely for the”name on the front of the jersey” That’s being naive.
Missing Smith would be another major blow. He put up insane numbers towards the end of the year.
Smfh.
Smfh.
Agree with some of your statement 100%. Where I have an issue is this "once Kentucky got involved" and they wanted it "quiet" is total BS. You either are an elite program or you aren't. Elite programs who want a player don't have to back out on a recruit. If they had interest and decided to not go after someone-that's normal/fine. But the way that people here are saying Jones is spinning the report that Roach was a guy Kentucky wanted their interest quiet--give me a break. Every team in the country knew Roach was going in the portal if my HS basketball boss who is from MN and is a fan of Duke knew of this just by simply being a fan. What's the secret? What's so hush/hush?
You have a payroll--you want players? Better know going in what it'll cost and if you are willing to do what it takes to get them. This week alone we've heard from Jones:
Arkansas is waiting to see who UK offers and then will offer double-that's an outright lie. Completely fabricated. If it was stated "There's a player....." that's different but no coach would operate like that and waste time like that. It's just so BS to even bring that up.
Now Roach was someone they lost because they wanted their interest quiet. It's Jeremy Roach a high profile player from Duke-you are going to hear things about his recruitment and who he hears from, etc....because of that alone but Kentucky wanted to be quiet? Unreal.
Problem with media guys is they talk for a living and "forget" what they said. Several things this week have had holes shot through them regarding what has been said of the program.
I am just glad Pope has his Staff together and they can work and they'll get a very good roster together. They also aren't making excuses. They are working.
But this crap/excuse making is laughable. Cal needed to go. It was time. But you move on. These guys have a personal thing with him going on and it's ****ing weird. He's gone. Let it go. Not everyone who says they've heard from UK is someone the staff has a top priority which is the point you made I agree with. But Jones seems to be making it like he has to "win" over Cal and that Pope being open minded and new is enough to make him defend any/everything about the new program when the new coach just got his staff. This isn't a microwave process, it's more important to get things right as a team built properly then winning headlines that media guy promised or leaked to help make himself/people he's friends with $.
I like Smith but it's not a blow--until you can't replace him. There's thousands of options out there. How the roster ends up will tell us if we can revisit this-but sure seemed like they wanted him with the reports of him taking an OV, his camp was set to come check out UK, etc....so something came up and just have to hope it's a better player who fits their vision.
I disagree. UK is a much more selective school and more prestigious one than when I attended in the 1970's. Many high school graduates in Kentucky find they can't get into UK and have to settle for another state university. I believe all of the SEC member institutions that are not already members of the Association of American Universities are striving to get to that level of academic excellence. SEC members of the AAU are Vanderbilt, Florida, Texas, Texas A&M, and Missouri. In the Big 10, by contrast, every member is also a member of the AAU except for Nebraska.
The $4 million came straight from Mitch Barnhart’s mouth. He says it a little past the ten minute mark. He never said anything about Roach today.
They’re professional athletes pretending to be college students, why are we worried about transcripts ?
The reason I say it’s a major blow is because the number of difference makers at PG in the portal isn’t that high. Plus we are only in on just a couple. That’s the position Pope can’t miss on. Already missed on Roach, and now Smith seems to be a miss. That leaves Small as the last potential difference maker at PG and it doesn’t sound like we lead for him. We will probably end up with someone like Mahaney or Elijah Hawkins who is Sahvir Wheeler part 2.
Since the news of Cal's departure and the hiring of Pope, I have been listening to KSR podcast about every day.
MJ and his cronies are about as knowledgeable as stumps. I should of caught on when they were praising him for getting a round of applause when he stood to ask Pope a question.
His insight is about as reliable as gas station bathroom toilet paper. He was going on about a reds baseball player sucking, the next day the kid went 3 of 4. It's like he just says stuff to fill time.
And whatever you do, don't disagree with him or call him out. He plays god with those phone lines.
MJ and his cronies are about as knowledgeable as stumps. I should of caught on when they were praising him for getting a round of applause when he stood to ask Pope a question.
His insight is about as reliable as gas station bathroom toilet paper. He was going on about a reds baseball player sucking, the next day the kid went 3 of 4. It's like he just says stuff to fill time.
And whatever you do, don't disagree with him or call him out. He plays god with those phone lines.
Mahaney isn't a PG either. He's an off ball player who can handle but he's not proven to be a guy who runs the team/offense.
Pope's system doesn't really rely on a true PG but I think it's something he needs to adjust within his system as he plays at the higher level. He did well in Big XII this past year, but think you need a quicker/more traditional guard to defend opposing teams and create buckets for you. Doesn't have to look similar to anyone but you need a guy who can do that role.
Hawkins is Wheeler 2.0 height wise but more mature human being. I'd be looking for better players but if he's what you need to get--then hope for the best.
As much as some want to think, the coaching staff is going to do their best and they won't be asking for outside help other than other coaches.
Roach is who he's talking about regarding the player they didn't want it public they were recruiting.
Apologize for linking that to Jones then-it was the jackass AD who spouted off. I'm openly biased against Barnhart so that is my fault for attributing that to Jones. Should've known it was Mitch trying to look cool for making his hire.
Wrong. Our culture has NOT been winning, and it's been going on for years. Mark is trying to clean it up. You can have a coach who inspires guys to want to play for the name on the front of the jersey. Yes, they want to go to the pros, but think about it for a moment as to why these guys are coming back after their freshman year ON OTHER TEAMS. I'm not going to go through all of this again. The culture up to this point has been about the NBA. Hopefully those supporting that are on their way elsewhere.
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Ralph, I've seen enough of your negativity surrounding the Pope hire.
He doesn’t go into detail because he doesn’t know
He might not be a true PG but would like to have him come aboard now knowing he can help a lot in Pope’s schemes.
I want Mahaney if they can land him. Just saying he's not a PG. He's a talented player and would instantly making the program better. Sorry for not being clear on that.
WTF are you talking about?
I'm fine with Pope.
I think Mitch Barnhart is a jackass and Pope's success will be even more impressive in having to overcome how inept Barnhart is at his job.
You can like Pope and not like how Barnhart sold him to the fans in that KSR interview. Barnhart's comments of what impressed him are embarrassing for someone who works where he does and oversees the crown jewel program of the University.
I think many are misunderstanding Pope and the jersey thing. He's talking about getting guys who enjoy being here, excelling as a team, taking pride in what they do, holding each other accountable, and then looking back and saying "I am glad I played for UK, they changed my life" I stead of this "thank you God and Calipari for my financial dreams come true".
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Ever think MORONS like you may be the problem. Give it a rest already.
Even if he was LDS, he IS NOT allowed to more than 1 wife and be a member of the LDS church!!!
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