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Matt Jones Tweeting About Stoops (1 Jan)
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Wait and see. He acts like we have a choice.
Everyone will be rooting for stoops to lose next year. It's a lose lose situation for uk football.
So he thinks he's likely gone at 4-8 again. LOL. He should be at 6-6. After all, Mitch again he can turn it around quickly. 6-6 ain't turning it around imo.
Who looks at next year’s schedule and thinks anything differently has or will occur to make the record be better?
What culture? I thought Stoops built and instilled the culture we were enamored with - don’t get me wrong based on some of my recent comments - I was all in on those culture changes. You know, moving to a mindset of expecting to win vs being okay with losing.
Again, what specifically is the cultural change he’s referring to? Could it be the nil/tp nonsense?
If those three guys he listed were cancers, then effing say so. Quit being a pussy about it.
Again, what specifically is the cultural change he’s referring to? Could it be the nil/tp nonsense?
If those three guys he listed were cancers, then effing say so. Quit being a pussy about it.
No one cares about this guys football thoughts. He has no freaking clue about the sport of football or anything about it.
This is the same guy who argued on air that defenses don’t call their linebackers mike will and Sam.
Total clown
This is the same guy who argued on air that defenses don’t call their linebackers mike will and Sam.
Total clown
I will be hoping and rooting for UK to win every game next year. I appreciate CMS for helping us get to the place that we had been up until the decline. I would love it if we could win 8 -10 games next year. However, I’m not optimistic that next season will be any better than this one. Record wise, it might even be a little worse. I’d love to be wrong, but if it is next year or bust, then I fear we are just delaying the inevitable. Almost better to rip off the band aid and start over now. Maybe I’m wrong—I hope I am, but I just don’t see us magically having a 6+ win team next year.
Yeah he left himself some wiggle room saying he'll be gone with another 4-8 season. What happens at 5-7?
And what happens if we have another 4-8 season but Stoops doesn't voluntarily leave? Is the $36m buyout that much easier for UK to stomach than $44m (or whatever the numbers are)?
Matt Jones own words that he was all for Cal on bball side until Oakland shows he’s usually on side of coaches …even when it’s obvious on field production had been poor for years
His same stance for Stoops while great for consistency…shows his bias toward pro coach
But for him to argue losing all these guys……even producing players ain’t worth losing sleep over as they were part of losing culture…sort of shows how illogical he is.
I mean LA Chargers had a losing squad…but they’re keeping Justin Hebert and many other pieces…and they’re winning. Jones has some of the worst takes for the leading voice on Ky sports
His same stance for Stoops while great for consistency…shows his bias toward pro coach
But for him to argue losing all these guys……even producing players ain’t worth losing sleep over as they were part of losing culture…sort of shows how illogical he is.
I mean LA Chargers had a losing squad…but they’re keeping Justin Hebert and many other pieces…and they’re winning. Jones has some of the worst takes for the leading voice on Ky sports
He can only be so critical of uk, the admin, or the coaches. He will lose it all if he doesn't play ball with UK... and that's how it works. Barney will make sure his arse is cut off real quick of he actually crosses the line.
Another issue with him maintaining he wasn't ready for Cal to go until after Oakland is... obviously in retrospect he was wrong to support Cal up until that point. He was late to the party. No one can say that's definitely what's happening with Stoops, though it certainly feels that way to me. But the fact that it took until Oakland for him to agree it's time for a change does not somehow give him more cache in the Stoops conversation, and he seems to think it does.
Most of the games Stoops have won at Ky has been cup cake non conference games anyone can see that Stoops needs to go, if we had any other AD he would have been gone a long time ago.
I don't see how we win more than 4. Its literally the exact same conference schedule, just flipped. We didn't get more talented, except at rb. We dont have a better staff. Therefore any improvement will be addition by subtraction.
Like I said in another post, stoops' biggest accomplishment here was making a generation of fans think 7 win seasons are disappointing. So disappointing they make up things about how disappointing they were.
Without looking, by uk standards, stoops has an excellent sec record. Iirc there were a few seasons he was .500 in conference which was basically unprecedented.
Plenty of ammo to use vs stoops especially on last season. No need to make up false narratives.
CMS is 36-62 in SEC games. That includes 0-8 in year 1 and 4-6 in C19 year. Best years are ...
2016: 4-4
2017: 4-4
2018: 5-3
2021: 5-3
I don’t think we are going to be good next year but we’ll see if what he does in the portal works. It’s on them. I’ll never cheer for UK to lose. The defense will probably be solid but we just have to better offensively. If they can’t do that they’ll be gone.
It seems this is likely true. The schedule is brutal and winning 4 again, let alone 6, will be more than a little difficult. Even if there were no losses in talent. Look around and most of the teams we played look to be as good or better next year, barring surprise. I think if he were to win 6-ish, that’s the danger zone where he may stick around but he would have had to find 3 or 4 wins most of us cannot sit here and find on the schedule. 3 wins seem to be the most likely scenario barring surprise.
I think the BBN is comprised largely of 3 categories: those who have accepted that Stoops will be UK’s coach in 2025 because it’s done (not necessarily because they want it, they just know it’s done—shame on Mitch), the very few who thinks Stoops can still turn this around, and those who are too angry to accept it yet.
I’ve been a huge Stoops guy most of his time but his indifference was a giant red flag for me. It’s worse than just losing. It changes a 36-62 SEC record into 36-62. For me, this year is just a necessary step in the process of moving on, painful as it is…and shame on Stoops for trading his legacy for $9M.
Then everyone you speak of is insane. I want change but I’m gonna be cheering for my team. I don’t think he turns it around but I’m not going to be mad if he did
Whether you like Matt or not, everything he tweeted is true. Personally, I expect next year to be terrible, but I am hoping for the best against all odds.
The issue with the fan base IMO is, this time of year we are usually excited about some incoming upgrades through the portal and feeling optimistic about the following season. Now rather then being excited, we see many of the good players we need exiting on top of a 4 win season. It is unknown what changes, if any Stoops plan to make in the way of program management, but short of a miracle, we are highly unlikely to improve off of the 4 win season considering we play essentially the same schedule as last year with a less talented team. Even the cupcakes aren't going to be exactly what we think of as cupcakes, I mean if we played Toledo today they would beat us.
I'm thinking there aren't going to be many "I'm counting the days for football season to start" posts this year.
I'm thinking there aren't going to be many "I'm counting the days for football season to start" posts this year.
Spot on post...BBN is apathetic into accepting we have to stay with Stoops until the money to buy him out is palatable....not a great place to be and expect the next season to be not much different (or worse).
I've heard from a couple of sources that certain players did whatever they wanted to at practice. One guy probably lost millions of dollars due to lack of effort. Some others just clowned around during the practices. The names that I heard were doing this have moved on.
I don't know if Stoops is burnt out or maybe he thinks that he can't be too hard on "the star" players or they will leave. Stoops has consistently had no control with on the field behaviors, so practice issues wouldn't surprise me. I think that's the culture issues Matt is talking about. The players were apparently running the program.
Thanks for those. The first few years were what they were due to a completely bare cupboard. I remember early being frustrated at losing to wku but also encouraged because we competed in other games where we normally rolled over.
Then he hired Gran and we turned the corner. At uk, especially given the schedule, going .500 is quite the achievement. Then add in the really good years and its easy to see how fans got used to just having a winning program.
This last season was unacceptable and many questions need to be asked, but fans shouldn't act like stoops just beat up on cupcakes instead of legitimately changing the culture of a program and its fanbase.
UK AD not the only one that makes big buyouts for their football coach.. Alabama football coach has a 78 million buyout for him.. Not smart for the first coach to take over after the goat..
“Indifference” perfectly describes how Stoop’s came across this year, at least for me. It’s obvious that he no longer wants to be here and our play this season was a reflection of that, hope I’m wrong but I don’t see how it possibly gets any better next season. You can tell by how a team plays that the coach has lost the locker room and hopefully those guys have moved on, that’s why it really doesn’t matter to me the level of guys we’re bringing in from the portal. Maybe they’ll seize the opportunity and work hard enough that it spills over, idk.
Anybody that thinks stoops would even consider voluntarily leaving does not understand stoops. He would voluntarily leave with a hefty buyout but the guy isn’t walking.
My points about stoops are directed specifically for people that assert he’s really the only guy that can do this stuff because we don’t have bowl games 30 years ago and submit we should be fearful about moving on from a guy that hasn’t been on his game for multiple seasons now and it’s really clear. I don’t disagree that he deserves a shot at fixing it but don’t see much hope in it because he has been a vacant guy the last few years. We can acknowledge that while he has definitely done some things he has been the only UK coach to have been afforded tools to do it with since we’re now in this era of immense tv payouts since he started.
In order to say stoops is the only person It also seems to be common for those people to count stoops 2021 season even though it has been vacated but then many of the same people dismiss anything curci did because he lost postseason eligibility one year. Dismiss stoops first few years while he was building but don’t dismiss Brooks coming in with only being able to recruit 16 and 18 and 20 players in his first recruiting classes. We don’t take away mumme’s first year and last year because of building or the atmosphere surrounding the investigation. That would leave him with two seasons of .500 sec ball and only one buy game on the schedule a year. There are workarounds for stoops’ inconvenient info but not anybody else’s.
No doubt stoops built a culture but it has quickly faded with his recent seasons of apathy. Mumme proved that fans will show up. Brooks built a sec competitive program with 2 stars under probation and no facility or financial support. He was just too old to stay and continue to wait for the facilities he had been promised that stoops has benefitted from…he got it to the point that fans walked after a second straight subpar season from joker off of the success of Brooks. Something that will happen again if stoops drops the ball this season too.
I give him a lot of credit for figuring out his formula. Started off leaning on Ohio recruiting and after losing to sunbelt and cusa teams in the first several seasons of his career he shifted all non con to MAC where there isn’t as much speed for an upset. And he was a UK version of spectacular during the stretch of dud hires at Mizzou SC UL and Vandy. 13 of his career 28 SEC wins are from those 3 sec coaches and 17 of his career 34 wins against p4/5 teams is from that group. I will always acknowledge his accomplishment in that stretch. But I’m never going to come on here and go along with a narrative that he’s such a unicorn for UK in this current environment when it takes only to win 3 of 9 games against p4 schools to get to a bowl. He can’t get to 10 wins again I think that’s a given. Because his formula no longer exists with no longer being in an inferior division with msu as your constant opponent. And I don’t see any of those coaches above being hired back by any schools we play. But as little faith as I have in him turning the ship back and as much as I think some people undervalue how much just having adequate resources would help anybody coach here at a better clip than historicals, I hope he comes out and throws up 10 next year. But seems like our best hope if all goes as well as possible our ceiling is at 6 and we’re like Vandy this year.
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I know someone in the building down there and there has a been a lack of leadership from coaches for multiple seasons now. Whether that’s his personal life taking priority, just being burned out, just feeling like he’s not able to find any sort of answer on offense as a coach, or all the above or other things….sometimes people just get to where they’ve accomplished all they can and don’t have any oil left to burn at midnight. I think it all started when he maybe felt like he had ‘made it’ a few seasons ago and then when he didn’t just show up and have it happen again and again there has been disappointment and realization setting in. But whatever it is this season has been coming and didn’t just pop up. It just happened to be a schedule that exposed it.
Matt Jones knows a lot more about UK football than you do. You are the clown.
Here is what I don’t get. If he makes 9 million a year and his buyout is 44 million that would make his buyout 35million next year, no? If it’s actually 36 million they are losing a million dollars waiting an extra year, on Stoops. Obviously there’s more to a buyout than that such as assistant coaches etc. but the math kinda works in Stoops favor not to leave this year. He will get an extra million.
Is he the only that could no? Is he one of the rare few we could actually get that could do it? Yes.
It's not that he's the only guy, it's the danger of making the wrong hire. We've all seen it happen at multiple schools, they hire the next great coach and it turns into a fiasco. So they hire the next and then the next and they get stuck on that coaching carousel. See Florida after Urban left or Tenn. after Fulmer. Alabama might be on it right now. It's such a crapshoot hiring a new head coach no matter how "can't miss" there are a ton of factors that come into play as to whether they have success or not.
I'm not saying there doesn't need to be changes made and possibly even a change at head coach, but I'm not as excited about firing Stoops as some are on here. Don't forget Mitch will be the one making the hire and as we've all seen his hires can be really good and they can be really bad, not a lot of in between.
Matt Jones: “Thanks Dad!”
Those are all historically strong programs trying to replace HOF coaches generally. We are just trying to find a coach that can take us to a higher level. We aren't expecting someone to have us competing for championships day 1.
You can see plenty of lower level schools this happens to as well. It's just the nature of the beast. It's one of the reasons I don't normally like hiring coordinators for the first HC job. Not only do you have all the normal issues of why it might not work, but then you add in the issue of can this guy actually be a HC on top of it.
It's easy to get caught in bad coaching hires and sometimes it's hard to get out of them. So you have to go into making a coaching change with both eyes open knowing what could happen and does the chance of that outweigh the position you're in at the time.
In that regard, it happens to people in every industry. If you're not performing to the required or expected standards, why should you keep your job?
However, unless you're talking about the top level programs historically at each level, most teams aren't expecting overnight results.
In our case, it's far riskier to maintain the status quo when it's going to greatly impact actual revenue and future revenue potential.
Any hire at any point is a risk. Pope was a risk based on his resume. But as an AD, you can't be afraid to make changes based on the idea it could possibly not work out. That's just a recipe for disaster.
However, I would prefer Barnhart NOT be the one making that decision. He has a track record of based decisions.
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