Matt blast mitch

[ArtLaibsGhost]

You want to recruit on the level of the UGA`s Bamas and LSU, you got to start winning a few BIG games. NIL money is a factor but to get the guys who have a shot at playing on Sundays , you need to be able to offer them a chance to play on the big stage. We aren't really that close to being there yet. We HAVE gotten to the point where we can recruit with the So Carolinas and UTs and that is improvement. We do get some kids that play on Sundays bit not enough of them in the right places to become an SEC power. A couple of years ago Bama lost 5 defensive starters during the season and still won a national title, we simply aren't there yet and money alone will not get us there. Somehow we have to figure out away to beat UGA. We have to figure a way to beat UFLA, and Tennessee more than once or twice every 20 years, we have to start beating SECWest teams on a the road. Until we can do that we will always struggle to get the top kids How do we do it, maybe if we have an O - Coordinator that runs a modern high octane offense ( thought we might have found one last year but couldn't keep him) and a head Coach who doesn't revert to 1980s football every time he gets a lead in a big game, ( something Stoops has been incapable of doing so far). We will have a shot. Finally we have to start recruiting big time quarterbacks. Bob has had 1, our current one, his entire tenure here, that has to change if we want to become one of the big boys.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

UK is the BIG BROTHER in the state, so why can't we get MOST of the UPS and YUM money??????? What about the Corman family?? Heck most of those kids have UK degrees. What about Toyota?? Or the Saudi's that buy up all of the Thoroughbreds???

Mitch has got to reach out to these and other entities on behalf of our potential athletes!!!

UK might be but Lexington is just a blip on the radar in terms of investment and revenue. Much of the money there still comes from coal and horses.

Because we don't have extremely lucrative single donors anymore, we need the use of collectives. That's apparently where Mitch is balking.

 

[sluggercatfan]

UK might be but Lexington is just a blip on the radar in terms of investment and revenue. Much of the money there still comes from coal and horses.

Because we don't have extremely lucrative single donors anymore, we need the use of collectives. That's apparently where Mitch is balking.

I have preached for a long time that although UK is the flagship university in the state when it comes to academics, U6 has much more money at its disposal when it comes to athletics. I can name you many more deep pockets than UK does.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

I have preached for a long time that although UK is the flagship university in the state when it comes to academics, U6 has much more money at its disposal when it comes to athletics. I can name you many more deep pockets than UK does.

And this is the ugly truth of NIL. The university's that have the richest/deepest pockets will be the ones that rise up over the next 5-10 years and beyond. The ones that do not will fall behind. We will see programs that usually do not do much in football compete for conference and playoffs, while perhaps some slip down. UK needs to be in that rise up, but if what you say is true, it is going to be a tough uphill climb for UK athletics.

 

[HerrosHeroes]

And this is the ugly truth of NIL. The university's that have the richest/deepest pockets will be the ones that rise up over the next 5-10 years and beyond. The ones that do not will fall behind. We will see programs that usually do not do much in football compete for conference and playoffs, while perhaps some slip down. UK needs to be in that rise up, but if what you say is true, it is going to be a tough uphill climb for UK athletics.

Im calling bs. BBN has the most fans which stands to reason they have more big boosters.

 

[LordEggForgotHisPassword]

UofL is going to be dominating the left over league so they can have fun with that.

 

[HerrosHeroes]

UofL is going to be dominating the left over league so they can have fun with that.

Yeah they can but it will not prepare them for the post season and the ass whoppins they will have in store for them.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Im calling bs. BBN has the most fans which stands to reason they have more big boosters.

Name U6 boosters vs UK. U6 has ups, Ford, yum, Human, PJ as corporates. Deep pockets like the Tragers(Republic Bank), the Lynn family, Patterson Family, guys who own Planet fitness plus huge support from a great majority of wealthy lawyers and Dr's that live in this town. These are just a few. If it wasn't for Joe Craft, where would UK be?

 

[sambowieshin]

Im calling bs. BBN has the most fans which stands to reason they have more big boosters.

Kentucky is a very poor state with the vast majority of UK fans in the middle to lower income class. We don't have enormous numbers of uber wealthy alumni donors like some other big name East/West coast schools.
Lexington is a relatively small town without many big money making industries or businesses compared to Louisville.
Kentucky, as a whole, also has a very low college graduation rate so not as many alumni due to that either.
Some on this board expressed concern about these same factors when NIL was first being cheered by most others.
Time will if UK is able to adjust to this new world of NIL they are now living in.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Kentucky is a very poor state with the vast majority of UK fans in the middle to lower income class. We don't have enormous numbers of uber wealthy alumni donors like some other big name East/West coast schools.
Lexington is a relatively small town without many big money making industries or businesses compared to Louisville.
Kentucky, as a whole, also has a very low college graduation rate so not as many alumni due to that either.
Some on this board expressed concern about these same factors when NIL was first being cheered by most others.
Time will if UK is able to adjust to this new world of NIL they are now living in.

Arkansas is not a very wealthy state, but has no competion in the state so between Walmart, Tysons and I believe some very large trucking firm that supplies them with all they need. Somebody earlier mentioned Toyota, but I'm pretty sure it is their corporate policy that they don't get into supporting athletic stuff.

 

[NamelessOne]

Yeah they can but it will not prepare them for the post season and the ass whoppins they will have in store for them.

Whatever league they end up in isn't gonna have a playoff berth

 

[dmacforheisman]

Arkansas is not a very wealthy state, but has no competion in the state so between Walmart, Tysons and I believe some very large trucking firm that supplies them with all they need. Somebody earlier mentioned Toyota, but I'm pretty sure it is their corporate policy that they don't get into supporting athletic stuff.

Arkansas has three Fortune 500 companies within about 30 minutes of campus. Arkansas is pretty poor overall as a state but the northwest region where Fayetteville and UA are located has a lot of money. It might as well be a totally different world.

 

[Dddjdd]

Kentucky is a very poor state with the vast majority of UK fans in the middle to lower income class. We don't have enormous numbers of uber wealthy alumni donors like some other big name East/West coast schools.
Lexington is a relatively small town without many big money making industries or businesses compared to Louisville.
Kentucky, as a whole, also has a very low college graduation rate so not as many alumni due to that either.
Some on this board expressed concern about these same factors when NIL was first being cheered by most others.
Time will if UK is able to adjust to this new world of NIL they are now living in.

Yes. Calls for smaller businesses to coordinate and create big packages that match the packages at other schools from huge companies seem unrealistic.

 

[sieken]

Name U6 boosters vs UK. U6 has ups, Ford, yum, Human, PJ as corporates. Deep pockets like the Tragers(Republic Bank), the Lynn family, Patterson Family, guys who own Planet fitness plus huge support from a great majority of wealthy lawyers and Dr's that live in this town. These are just a few. If it wasn't for Joe Craft, where would UK be?

Just to add a couple more that a lot don't know about.... The Musslemans (Hotel Owners), The Hoaglands(Developers), The Thienmans(Developers), The Contis(John Conti Coffee), The Browns(KingFish, Major Developers), The Noltemeyers(Same as Browns), The Blues(Developers and everything in between). There are a ton of wealthy people in Louisville.

 

[Girthang]

It seems that U of L is getting Adidas money and well we seem to be low man on the Nike totem pole.

That's why you don't do long term contracts for such things. Renegotiate that nikel contract and build in a commitment to NIL money for each sport.

 

[NavyCat88]

Matt just blasted Mitch on nil then Vince gets on Twitter and says it’s not him it’s the boosters. Who do you believe?

IDK, but in general, pointing fingers at boosters for lack of booster support is a bad idea. Bad juju!

Regardless, we need to get up to speed on this latest recruiting wrinkle.

GBB!

 

[mrschwump]

Decades ago Clemson started a program called "IPTAY" which at the time stood for "I Pay Ten(dollars) A Year" and was so the average working stiff could donate to their sports programs. Many donors gave much more of course, I think that $10 start-up is up to maybe $1K now. Anyway, that was how one small market school raised funds. Just looked, they now have 18,000+ donors, including 4,000 new members, and have raised nearly $40M. Where's there's a will there's a way.

 

[jacksonisawesome]

It seems that U of L is getting Adidas money and well we seem to be low man on the Nike totem pole.

not sure about the details but it seems pretty apparent what might be driving this recruiting flurry at UL - in a recent interview (can't recall the outlet), steve clarkson (QB recruit's dad/elite talent camp organizer/partner of adidas) spoke about how they took a look around the country, analyzed the various situations and decided that UL offered one of the best potential NIL situations because Louisville is the largest untapped metro market that's also an adidas affiliate (i believe Miami is larger, but much more complicated). they've been able to use their camps to connect high-caliber players and sell them on going to a school together to take advantage of the NIL opportunities that playing successful football in a business-rich market will offer.

of course, there are already some grumblings about satt and his staff within the UL fanbase, which begs the question - how are they able to reel in these commits? i'd venture the coaches don't even have much to do with it - the players may be sold on the market itself and the opportunity to rack up wins in a winnable conference. my guess is satt got some calls from adidas and was told "hey, we've got this group of recruits we're going to send your way, make room." - mutually beneficial for everyone. i wouldn't be surprised to see more of these business partnerships between apparel companies and talent camps/scouting networks result in groups of players identifying particular markets to play at together.

it'll be interesting to see how the rapidly shifting conference alignments will play into some of these decisions about where to go. would these kids still want to go to UL, for instance, if there was virtually no shot at a playoff/national title? we'll see how much playing for a title will mean to some of these guys, and i'd also guess many of the potential nfl-caliber guys will choose to use their college days to start raking in money over playing for less but having a shot at a potential championship. who knows what the playoff or a national title will even look like, hell, a year or two from now? the talent level of the elite teams has basically limited the playoff contenders to a small group anyways - but there could be entirely new logistical hurdles for programs on the bubble now.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Just to add a couple more that a lot don't know about.... The Musslemans (Hotel Owners), The Hoaglands(Developers), The Thienmans(Developers), The Contis(John Conti Coffee), The Browns(KingFish, Major Developers), The Noltemeyers(Same as Browns), The Blues(Developers and everything in between). There are a ton of wealthy people in Louisville.

Knew a couple of those...also Tom Drexler plumbing. Speaking of Arkansas--
Arkansas companies have been selected for the 2019 Fortune 500 list.
Fortune has named Walmart, Tyson Foods, Murphy USA, J.B. Hunt Transport Services, Dillard’s and Windstream Holdings to the top 500 companies. In addition, two companies – ArcBest and Murphy Oil – round out the top 1,000 companies.
The companies on this year’s list –the 65th edition of Fortune’s annual rundown of top companies – represent approximately two-thirds of the U.S.’s gross domestic product. These companies account for $13.7 trillion in profits, $22.6 trillion in market value and employ roughly 28.7 million people.

Fortune has published its ranking annually since 1955.
Walmart has the top spot on the Fortune 500 list, with an estimated $514 billion in revenue, $6.6 billion in profits, $219 billion in assets and $72 billion in total stockholder equity.
Since 2002, Walmart has occupied the number one spot continuously except on three occasions. The Bentonville-based company has held the top spot each consecutive year since 2013. It has been on the Fortune 500 for 25 years.
Tyson Foods was the second-highest Arkansas company on the list, at the 80th spot. The largest meat producer in the country, Tyson reported $40 billion in revenue for the past fiscal year. It has been on the Fortune 500 for 38 years.
Murphy USA, which was spun off from Murphy Oil, owns gas stations and stores in 26 states. The company is number 279 on the Fortune 500 and has been on the list for six years.

J.B. Hunt Transport Services Inc., based in Lowell, earned the 395th spot on the Fortune 500. The company, which has had a spot on the list for seven years, reported $8.6 billion in revenue in the last fiscal year.
“J.B. Hunt is taking on some of the biggest challenges in the industry while maintaining a tradition of providing safe, reliable transportation and logistics services,” John Roberts, president and CEO of J.B. Hunt, said in a statement. “Our inclusion in this year’s Fortune 500 list demonstrates our commitment to excellence and efficiency as we grow and expand to meet customer needs.”
Dillard’s, which has been on the Fortune 500 for 25 years, was ranked 439 in 2019. The company posted $6.5 billion in revenue and $170.3 million last fiscal year.
Windstream Holdings is the final Arkansas company on the Fortune 500 at spot 474. The telecom and internet service reported $5.7 billion in revenue but posted a loss of $723 million. It has had a Fortune 500 listing for seven years.
ArcBest and Murphy Oil, while not on the Fortune 500, did make the top 1,000 companies, at spots 763 and

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Yes. Calls for smaller businesses to coordinate and create big packages that match the packages at other schools from huge companies seem unrealistic.

Could well be right. Even if you are, anything is better than nothing. Imo only the top tier kids are getting insane money. We're likely not in the running for them regardless. All we really need is to be competitive for the kids we normally get. That doesn't take a giant bankroll.

 

[Dddjdd]

Could well be right. Even if you are, anything is better than nothing. Imo only the top tier kids are getting insane money. We're likely not in the running for them regardless. All we really need is to be competitive for the kids we normally get. That doesn't take a giant bankroll.

That’s a good point. However, and I’m not trying to be pessimistic, if teams on our schedule that weren’t getting top tier kids are now getting them because of it, that’s a hit to us.

 

[sluggercatfan]

That’s a good point. However, and I’m not trying to be pessimistic, if teams on our schedule that weren’t getting top tier kids are now getting them because of it, that’s a hit to us.

This...SC, Filthy orange Arkansas +others can afford to play the game.

 

[Dddjdd]

This...SC, Filthy orange Arkansas +others can afford to play the game.

I sure hope we can outrecruit SC. They’ve got a slightly higher average than us currently but we should have some four star commits in coming weeks.

 

[billoliver40]

Lol....the new reality of college sports...who can pay the most?
Openly now.

Strange days.

 

[Chad Rock]

Lol....the new reality of college sports...who can pay the most?
Openly now.

Strange days.

I know…and only UK leadership will come out and say we will not pay to get the best players here even though it’s legal.

YAY!

 

[ArtLaibsGhost]

The BEST players will go where they have a shot at titles, maximum exsposure on a big.stage NIL will be a factor but the big pay off the NFL will determine who gets the most guys. As an example look at how many UGA guys went in the first round of the draft, that is a bigger draw than NIL money.

 

[SkyPrince1]

Knew a couple of those...also Tom Drexler plumbing. Speaking of Arkansas--
Arkansas companies have been selected for the 2019 Fortune 500 list.
Fortune has named Walmart, Tyson Foods, Murphy USA, J.B. Hunt Transport Services, Dillard’s and Windstream Holdings to the top 500 companies. In addition, two companies – ArcBest and Murphy Oil – round out the top 1,000 companies.
The companies on this year’s list –the 65th edition of Fortune’s annual rundown of top companies – represent approximately two-thirds of the U.S.’s gross domestic product. These companies account for $13.7 trillion in profits, $22.6 trillion in market value and employ roughly 28.7 million people.

Fortune has published its ranking annually since 1955.
Walmart has the top spot on the Fortune 500 list, with an estimated $514 billion in revenue, $6.6 billion in profits, $219 billion in assets and $72 billion in total stockholder equity.
Since 2002, Walmart has occupied the number one spot continuously except on three occasions. The Bentonville-based company has held the top spot each consecutive year since 2013. It has been on the Fortune 500 for 25 years.
Tyson Foods was the second-highest Arkansas company on the list, at the 80th spot. The largest meat producer in the country, Tyson reported $40 billion in revenue for the past fiscal year. It has been on the Fortune 500 for 38 years.
Murphy USA, which was spun off from Murphy Oil, owns gas stations and stores in 26 states. The company is number 279 on the Fortune 500 and has been on the list for six years.

J.B. Hunt Transport Services Inc., based in Lowell, earned the 395th spot on the Fortune 500. The company, which has had a spot on the list for seven years, reported $8.6 billion in revenue in the last fiscal year.
“J.B. Hunt is taking on some of the biggest challenges in the industry while maintaining a tradition of providing safe, reliable transportation and logistics services,” John Roberts, president and CEO of J.B. Hunt, said in a statement. “Our inclusion in this year’s Fortune 500 list demonstrates our commitment to excellence and efficiency as we grow and expand to meet customer needs.”
Dillard’s, which has been on the Fortune 500 for 25 years, was ranked 439 in 2019. The company posted $6.5 billion in revenue and $170.3 million last fiscal year.
Windstream Holdings is the final Arkansas company on the Fortune 500 at spot 474. The telecom and internet service reported $5.7 billion in revenue but posted a loss of $723 million. It has had a Fortune 500 listing for seven years.
ArcBest and Murphy Oil, while not on the Fortune 500, did make the top 1,000 companies, at spots 763 and

Do we know how much they contribute or if they do at all?

 

[The-Hack]

Do we know how much they contribute or if they do at all?

Wal Mart?

Half the athletic facilities in Fayetteville have “Walton” in their name. You know, “Bud Walton Arena.”

 

[dmacforheisman]

Wal Mart?

Half the athletic facilities in Fayetteville have “Walton” in their name. You know, “Bud Walton Arena.”

That's pretty much the only one that does lol. And Bud is long gone.

The JB Hunt family gives to athletics but Walmart doesn't care about Arkansas sports at all. They paid for an ad on the football stadium and have the Walton College of Business for academics, along with several academic art projects. Jerry Jones donated a student-athlete success center and Tyson paid for the Track & Field facilities but out of those four Walmart is by far the least involved.

Always laugh when other fanbases point them out when mentioning NIL like a large corporation would be handing out money to teenagers.

 

[hangin#8]

I have a buddy that works for JB Hunt and is pretty tied into Ark athletics. Let’s just say they’re flush with cash. Tyson/JBHunt/Jerry Jones/etc aren’t gonna let them lose anybody or anything because of money.

 

[The-Hack]

Always laugh when other fanbases point them out when mentioning NIL like a large corporation would be handing out money to teenagers.

Search "Addidas" and "Louisville" on this site.

There's one large corporation handing out money to teenagers!

 

[Cat06]

With Oregon desperate for an SEC or Big10 landing spot, I would think Nike would start treating us a lot better.

 

[23jumpboy]

Beat Georgia and get to Atlanta and this won’t be a problem anymore.