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Kick return TD, defense creating 2 fumbles and offense putting up 31 pts along with a 30+ total pts won this game...THIS is what we need more of going forward!I agree with 11 years....it pretty much is what it is at this point. But my list of tweaks
1. No more wide zone running game.....back to inside zone and whatever it hurts the play action...so be it.
2. Get back to a handful of RPO per game to get the QB legs back into our attack (I thought Levis first year was a dang good offense attack)
3. I have to admit...I sort of like Heupel and Brohm's attacking risky style of defense. Flood the box and force teams to hurt you passing the ball (and they will at times) but generates more TOs and possessions. Stoops rush 3 guys and drop 8....kills me mostly. Worked vs UL and Stoops will live off that for years now.
4. I'd like our DLine to play with lower pad level....we just play way high and accept plugging a gap vs. push to penetrate and cause more TFL.
Grump...I think you could give MS Ga's offensive players and we would still struggle offensively. His philosophy isn't going to change.I know fans aren't excited about the number of offensive plays, but CMS is still scheming to give Zuk the best chance to win. When one team is outtalented the best opportunity to win is a shortened game. I think the biggest issue is fans overestimate the talent levels of their teams. Pretty common really.
They don’t have to necessarily go to a true inside zone. They can keep most of the same formations but move to a power run scheme (more counters, pin and pull etc). Only thing it really hurts in the play action is the roll outs. Just makes the roll out angle more difficult.I agree with 11 years....it pretty much is what it is at this point. But my list of tweaks
1. No more wide zone running game.....back to inside zone and whatever it hurts the play action...so be it.
2. Get back to a handful of RPO per game to get the QB legs back into our attack (I thought Levis first year was a dang good offense attack)
3. I have to admit...I sort of like Heupel and Brohm's attacking risky style of defense. Flood the box and force teams to hurt you passing the ball (and they will at times) but generates more TOs and possessions. Stoops rush 3 guys and drop 8....kills me mostly. Worked vs UL and Stoops will live off that for years now.
4. I'd like our DLine to play with lower pad level....we just play way high and accept plugging a gap vs. push to penetrate and cause more TFL.
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Grumpy, tell me....are GA fans disappointed when GA wins or is that only a UK thing?I know fans aren't excited about the number of offensive plays, but CMS is still scheming to give Zuk the best chance to win. When one team is outtalented the best opportunity to win is a shortened game. I think the biggest issue is fans overestimate the talent levels of their teams. Pretty common really.
Stephen Johnson started for two seasons, Terry Wilson was a three year starter only his 2019 season was cut short due to injury, Will Levis started for two seasons. So to say we are relying on one year rentals isn't quite true. Granted they were all transfers, but they were all still here more than one season. Leary was an exception and if I understand correctly he could petition the NCAA for medical exemption to gain another year if he wanted. However I don't trust the NCAA to make that decision in a timely manner for us to have a backup plan if it doesn't work out. Assuming he would even try.Sorry.
1. Defending Kroger Field: 2022 and 2023 went 1-3 in SEC league play.
2. Fix 3rd down defense: 47.4% conversion rate in 2023, 33.3% in 2022.
3. Offense tempo: UK ran the fewest plays in FBS in 2023.
4. Establishing multi-year QB: rental QBs isn't a good long term strategy
5. Culture: UK went 2-4 in 2022 and 2023 in one score games.
Performance history in college is a much better predictor than high school ... it really is that simple. Commodity is more proven with collegiate experience, versus high school promise.Stephen Johnson started for two seasons, Terry Wilson was a three year starter only his 2019 season was cut short due to injury, Will Levis started for two seasons. So to say we are relying on one year rentals isn't quite true. Granted they were all transfers, but they were all still here more than one season. Leary was an exception and if I understand correctly he could petition the NCAA for medical exemption to gain another year if he wanted. However I don't trust the NCAA to make that decision in a timely manner for us to have a backup plan if it doesn't work out. Assuming he would even try.
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If only we had a schedule full of ACC opponents to boot.Kick return TD, defense creating 2 fumbles and offense putting up 31 pts along with a 30+ total pts won this game...THIS is what we need more of going forward!
I doubt they are. They actually beat crap out of teams they’re supposed to beat the crap out of.Grumpy, tell me....are GA fans disappointed when GA wins or is that only a UK thing?
But, of those 3, only Levis was a legit SEC caliber starting QB. Continuity is meaningless if the player isn’t good enough. I love the heart that Johnson played with, but, he was backup level, at best, for teams expecting to win in this conference.Stephen Johnson started for two seasons, Terry Wilson was a three year starter only his 2019 season was cut short due to injury, Will Levis started for two seasons. So to say we are relying on one year rentals isn't quite true. Granted they were all transfers, but they were all still here more than one season. Leary was an exception and if I understand correctly he could petition the NCAA for medical exemption to gain another year if he wanted. However I don't trust the NCAA to make that decision in a timely manner for us to have a backup plan if it doesn't work out. Assuming he would even try.
Some I'd add:I agree with 11 years....it pretty much is what it is at this point. But my list of tweaks
1. No more wide zone running game.....back to inside zone and whatever it hurts the play action...so be it.
2. Get back to a handful of RPO per game to get the QB legs back into our attack (I thought Levis first year was a dang good offense attack)
3. I have to admit...I sort of like Heupel and Brohm's attacking risky style of defense. Flood the box and force teams to hurt you passing the ball (and they will at times) but generates more TOs and possessions. Stoops rush 3 guys and drop 8....kills me mostly. Worked vs UL and Stoops will live off that for years now.
4. I'd like our DLine to play with lower pad level....we just play way high and accept plugging a gap vs. push to penetrate and cause more TFL.
He fixed it enough to have two 10 win seasons. Since 1977, that had been done a grand total of 0 times. Yea he’s stubborn to a fault but let’s not act like 11 years here has been as bad as some of yal think. I’ve watched this team since the mid 70’s and we have had some god awful results. Put things in perspective when you act like 11 years here have been a complete failure. I scream into my TV just like everybody else but I also know that 46 years is a helluva lot longer than 11.11 years in and he hasn't fixed these things.
It’s broke againHe fixed it enough to have two 10 win seasons. Since 1977, that had been done a grand total of 0 times. Yea he’s stubborn to a fault but let’s not act like 11 years here has been as bad as some of yal think. I’ve watched this team since the mid 70’s and we have had some god awful results. Put things in perspective when you act like 11 years here have been a complete failure. I scream into my TV just like everybody else but I also know that 46 years is a helluva lot longer than 11.
I’m sure a bunch of their fans wasn’t happy about beating Tech by one score!Grumpy, tell me....are GA fans disappointed when GA wins or is that only a UK thing?
You are correct to a point. What’s broke can be fixed. It might require some coaching changes but it can and will be fixed. This has been a humbling year but maybe it was needed. Everybody is stepping up their game. No reason why we can’t do the same. Lost to some mediocre teams this year and last. That cannot continue to happenIt’s broke again
We can debate the talent level of all of the QB's all day long, but they all took us to multiple Bowl games and TW lead us to a Citrus Bowl victory. TW lead us to a second place finish in the SEC East where we actually competed against UGA for the right to go to the SEC Championship game. TW when healthy was a pretty solid QB and didn't lead this team any worse than Levis. Both Levis and Wilson had seasons finish with the same record and a Citrus Bowl win. TW had to unfortunately play that goofy Covid year in 2020. I venture to guess had we been able to play a normal slate, without all the restrictions and weirdness around that season, we could have fared much better. You say Levis was the only SEC caliber QB of the group, but what more did he accomplish than TW?But, of those 3, only Levis was a legit SEC caliber starting QB. Continuity is meaningless if the player isn’t good enough. I love the heart that Johnson played with, but, he was backup level, at best, for teams expecting to win in this conference.
Same for TW, minus SJ’s heart. He had great physical tools, but, very little consistency & couldn’t stay healthy. The lack of a consistent passing attack was the difference in winning 10-11 regular season games in 2018, IMO. Hopefully, things change with Boley & Saunders & we can find a solid QB in the portal to bridge the gap until they’re ready.
Stop bringing facts into all thisWe can debate the talent level of all of the QB's all day long, but they all took us to multiple Bowl games and TW lead us to a Citrus Bowl victory. TW lead us to a second place finish in the SEC East where we actually competed against UGA for the right to go to the SEC Championship game. TW when healthy was a pretty solid QB and didn't lead this team any worse than Levis. Both Levis and Wilson had seasons finish with the same record and a Citrus Bowl win. TW had to unfortunately play that goofy Covid year in 2020. I venture to guess had we been able to play a normal slate, without all the restrictions and weirdness around that season, we could have fared much better. You say Levis was the only SEC caliber QB of the group, but what more did he accomplish than TW?
There's always nits to be picked but hard to see anything foundational worth changing with exception being NIL, developing OL and WRs, but I'm really encouraged with the changing views on offensive philosophy, aggressive on 4th downs, etc.
It means a lot that the two (three?)-time defending national champ has a strangle hold on the division. It has a big impact on UK's ceiling and I don't think some take that into account.
This is uncharted territory for long-suffering UK football fans:
There's always nits to be picked but hard to see anything foundational worth changing with exception being NIL, developing OL and WRs, but I'm really encouraged with the changing views on offensive philosophy, aggressive on 4th downs, etc.
It means a lot that the two (three?)-time defending national champ has a strangle hold on the division. It has a big impact on UK's ceiling and I don't think some take that into account.
This is uncharted territory for long-suffering UK football fans:
Like your list especially 2 and 3. I'll preach this till I get as annoying as hell but in todays college game your QB has to some kind of weapon with his legs. And again you dont have to have a Michael Vick back there just mix in some RPO and ACTUALLY keep it once in a while. You see average athletic QBs all over the country doing this already, the Missouri kids kills teams with his legs and I can outrun him.I agree with 11 years....it pretty much is what it is at this point. But my list of tweaks
1. No more wide zone running game.....back to inside zone and whatever it hurts the play action...so be it.
2. Get back to a handful of RPO per game to get the QB legs back into our attack (I thought Levis first year was a dang good offense attack)
3. I have to admit...I sort of like Heupel and Brohm's attacking risky style of defense. Flood the box and force teams to hurt you passing the ball (and they will at times) but generates more TOs and possessions. Stoops rush 3 guys and drop 8....kills me mostly. Worked vs UL and Stoops will live off that for years now.
4. I'd like our DLine to play with lower pad level....we just play way high and accept plugging a gap vs. push to penetrate and cause more TFL.
We can debate the talent level of all of the QB's all day long, but they all took us to multiple Bowl games and TW lead us to a Citrus Bowl victory. TW lead us to a second place finish in the SEC East where we actually competed against UGA for the right to go to the SEC Championship game. TW when healthy was a pretty solid QB and didn't lead this team any worse than Levis. Both Levis and Wilson had seasons finish with the same record and a Citrus Bowl win. TW had to unfortunately play that goofy Covid year in 2020. I venture to guess had we been able to play a normal slate, without all the restrictions and weirdness around that season, we could have fared much better. You say Levis was the only SEC caliber QB of the group, but what more did he accomplish than TW?
65% of all college teams go to bowl games, now. There is nothing special about playing in them anymore. But, Benny Snell led us to the Citrus Bowl win. He had 144 yards & 2 TDs in that game, while Wilson lit up Penn St, going 9-15 for 121 yards & no TDs & running for 29 yards. TW might’ve been the starting QB, but, Snell & Josh Allen were the leaders of that team & that’s not even debatable.We can debate the talent level of all of the QB's all day long, but they all took us to multiple Bowl games and TW lead us to a Citrus Bowl victory. TW lead us to a second place finish in the SEC East where we actually competed against UGA for the right to go to the SEC Championship game. TW when healthy was a pretty solid QB and didn't lead this team any worse than Levis. Both Levis and Wilson had seasons finish with the same record and a Citrus Bowl win. TW had to unfortunately play that goofy Covid year in 2020. I venture to guess had we been able to play a normal slate, without all the restrictions and weirdness around that season, we could have fared much better. You say Levis was the only SEC caliber QB of the group, but what more did he accomplish than TW?
I would counter that without Wan' Dale Robinson, Levis' first season here would have looked a LOT different. And don't get me wrong, I'm a big Will Levis fan, I think he did some great things here, but Football is a team sport and wee built teams that produced the results they did. Are you saying we could have put guy like Morgan Newton out there instead of Terry Wilson and gotten the same results? My point is, especially in 2018, that TW managed games pretty darn good. He may not have had glitzy stats, but he managed us to 10 wins and a citrus bowl victory, and was playing well before he went down in game 2 in 2019. and again, 2020 was a weird ass year with weird ass circumstances, but he still managed us fairly well through it all. He deserves a lot more credit than he's gotten. in 2018, he was sacked 28 times and still managed to run for over 500 yards. That's pretty commendable.65% of all college teams go to bowl games, now. There is nothing special about playing in them anymore. But, Benny Snell led us to the Citrus Bowl win. He had 144 yards & 2 TDs in that game, while Wilson lit up Penn St, going 9-15 for 121 yards & no TDs & running for 29 yards. TW might’ve been the starting QB, but, Snell & Josh Allen were the leaders of that team & that’s not even debatable.
TW was a side note for that team’s success, whereas Levis was a major focal point of the offense. And, in their respective 2018 & 2021 seasons, Levis threw for 1000 more yards & more than twice as many passing (24-11) & rushing (9-4) TDs. But, technically you’re right, basing it on team success. I just don’t think that all 10 win QBs are equal & will agree to disagree. Personally, I believe that 2018 would’ve been even better with a QB like Levis & that TW wouldn’t have been a difference maker on 21. TW just wasn’t much of a passing threat & the offense was one dimensional, essentially.
Put Josh Allen Sr year along with Baity, Edwards, Wests and Lonnie Johnson DBs...with Levis....we'd not have lost to Tennessee. This isn't really an argument to make on who is the superior QBWe can debate the talent level of all of the QB's all day long, but they all took us to multiple Bowl games and TW lead us to a Citrus Bowl victory. TW lead us to a second place finish in the SEC East where we actually competed against UGA for the right to go to the SEC Championship game. TW when healthy was a pretty solid QB and didn't lead this team any worse than Levis. Both Levis and Wilson had seasons finish with the same record and a Citrus Bowl win. TW had to unfortunately play that goofy Covid year in 2020. I venture to guess had we been able to play a normal slate, without all the restrictions and weirdness around that season, we could have fared much better. You say Levis was the only SEC caliber QB of the group, but what more did he accomplish than TW?
Come on, man, lol. No, I’m not saying that someone like Newton would’ve gotten the same results. Newton was terrible. I said a QB like Levis, meaning a competent passer & also having an alpha mentality. I never said TW was a bad player. But, he WAS quite average, soft & limited in the passing game & was not a typical SEC type starting QB.I would counter that without Wan' Dale Robinson, Levis' first season here would have looked a LOT different. And don't get me wrong, I'm a big Will Levis fan, I think he did some great things here, but Football is a team sport and wee built teams that produced the results they did. Are you saying we could have put guy like Morgan Newton out there instead of Terry Wilson and gotten the same results? My point is, especially in 2018, that TW managed games pretty darn good. He may not have had glitzy stats, but he managed us to 10 wins and a citrus bowl victory, and was playing well before he went down in game 2 in 2019. and again, 2020 was a weird ass year with weird ass circumstances, but he still managed us fairly well through it all. He deserves a lot more credit than he's gotten. in 2018, he was sacked 28 times and still managed to run for over 500 yards. That's pretty commendable.
Come on, man, lol. No, I’m not saying that someone like Newton would’ve gotten the same results. Newton was terrible. I said a QB like Levis, meaning a competent passer & also having an alpha mentality. I never said TW was a bad player. But, he WAS quite average, soft & limited in the passing game & was not a typical SEC type starting QB.
Wouldn’t he have gone somewhere better than N Mexico if he was considered a good/really good QB? At least to another P5 school? Good QBs don’t usually take that big of a step down when they transfer. With an even SOMEWHAT, consistent passing attack we beat aTm & UT in 2018 & win 10-11 regular season games, IMO. I just don’t think that TW was responsible for very much of
the success in 2018. But, he was absolutely better than Newton, Whitlow & that level of players.