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Pat forde says UL death penalty still on the table for UL. Mack also tied to Andy Miller.


https://sports.yahoo.com/chris-mack-louisville-taking-big-risk-185432165.html

Under normal circumstances, taking the plunge from Xavier to Louisville would be a no-brainer – reward easily outweighing risk. Louisville wins national titles and goes to Final Fours and puts 22,000 fans in the stands while competing in the best of all basketball conferences, the ACC. Xavier, while a very good program, has none of those things.

But these are seriously abnormal times at Louisville. A national championship banner was taken down last month. A Hall of Fame coach and celebrated athletic director were run out of town last fall. First it was strippers in the dorm, then it was an alleged six-figure payment scheme – the scandal cycle has been a doozy. A second major NCAA investigation in less than three years, and a second set of major sanctions, appear inevitable.

So, Chris Mack, is taking this Louisville job a leap of faith? Or a leap of foolhardiness?

The waters he’s diving into are troubled. The map of what’s beneath the surface may have changed. Dashing an accomplished career onto the rocks seems to be a potential outcome here.

The money and job security are great: seven years at $4 million a year. Mack is believed to be one of just seven coaches in college basketball now making an annual salary of $4 million or more. That will buy plenty of house in his wife’s hometown.

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Chris Mack will make $4 million annually on his seven-year contract after agreeing to become Louisville’s head coach. (AP)

But all coaches are hardwired to win, and Mack already was winning at a high level at Xavier – he just took the Musketeers to a Big East title and an NCAA tournament No. 1 seed. And there are major questions about when league titles and No. 1 seeds will again be within Louisville’s grasp.

Things should eventually get better, but they also could get considerably worse before they get better. “Eventually” is dauntingly open-ended where Louisville is concerned.

If the Cardinals are nailed by the NCAA in the fallout from the ongoing federal investigation into corruption in college basketball, the school certainly would be labeled a repeat violator – having the distinct dishonor of committing major violations while already on probation for a previous set of major violations. That would leave the program susceptible to the strongest penalties the NCAA can administer.

Yes, that includes the so-called death penalty. Complete suspension of the program for a season or more.

Some NCAA rules experts I’ve talked to don’t believe it would come to that for Louisville – that the school’s complete house-cleaning since the second scandal came to light would be a mitigating factor. (SMU football was dealt the only real death penalty in the 1980s because the same people went back to committing the same violations after the first sanctions were handed down. There was a complete lack of penitence.)

Still, it would hardly be a shock to eventually – this will all take a lot of time, maybe several years – see the Cardinals hit with another postseason ban. Not to mention scholarship reductions, fines and who knows what else as the NCAA further attempts to turn penalties into actual deterrents.

Turns out Mack is no fool – his contract calls for additional years to be added to the deal in the event of any postseason bans. So he’ll be protected contractually.

His leap of faith is that, no matter how bad it might get, Louisville will rebuild quickly.

In that respect, Mack taking the Louisville job bears some resemblance to Bill O’Brien going to Penn State. It’s an entirely different set of issues, but a similar gamble by the coach: that whatever NCAA sanctions are looming in the future, they won’t destroy the program long-term.

O’Brien’s gamble was right – Penn State came back more quickly than most envisioned. (In part because the NCAA walked back its own ill-conceived sanctions.) But O’Brien wasn’t around to see it, bailing for the NFL’s Houston Texans after two seasons. James Franklin finished the rebuilding process, winning a Big Ten title and going to the Rose Bowl five years after the Jerry Sandusky revelations destroyed the Joe Paterno Era.

It is, also, easier to rebuild in basketball than football. You don’t need an entire offensive line; you need one or two instant-impact recruits who can change a program’s trajectory. And Louisville has all the necessary selling points in terms of facilities, conference affiliation, fan support and tradition.

But until the extent of this next wave of NCAA issues is understood, will those instant-impact recruits want to come? Mack would be asking them to take a similar leap of faith into unknown waters, without the millions in salary – and the best players will all have attractive other options.

So, a wished-for renaissance could take a while. Maybe even longer than a seven-year contract.

Then there is this to consider: Louisville is taking its own gamble with Mack, and it has nothing to do with his coaching ability. Last month, Yahoo Sports viewed some of the documents seized by federal authorities in its corruption probe. Among the roughly 25 players from 20 schools who were named in expense reports and balance sheets seized from ASM Sports Agency were two of Mack’s at Xavier: Edmond Sumner and Semaj Christon.

Of particular concern were the Sumner entries on ASM Sports associate Christian Dawkins’ expense reports – multiple mentions of cash advances paid to Sumner and his father, Ernest, while the player was still at Xavier. The advances totaled at least $7,000.

Sumner and Christon both became ASM Sports clients after turning professional. After the agency became implicated in the federal probe, they left ASM Sports.


Mack issued a statement to Yahoo Sports at the time of its Feb. 23 story: “I have no relationship with Andy Miller or any of his associates. He plays no role in the recruitment of potential student athletes on Xavier’s behalf. Beyond that, our staff has never created a path for him to foster a relationship with any of our student-athletes while enrolled at Xavier. Any suggestion that I or anyone on my staff utilized Andy Miller to provide even the slightest of financial benefits to a Xavier student-athlete is grossly misinformed. We are prepared to cooperate with any and all investigations at any level.”

Louisville is an investigation-weary school. The idea of hiring a coach whose program is in any way tied to the feds’ probe of ASM Sports should be a concern – perhaps it was, and Mack answered all questions in a manner that put any university concerns at ease.

So there is something of a mutual leap of faith today, as Louisville and Chris Mack consummate a deal. These are risky times to hire anyone, and risky times to take on a new job. Time will tell whether both parties have a safe landing from their leap.
 
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Still, it would hardly be a shock to eventually – this will all take a lot of time, maybe several years – see the Cardinals hit with another postseason ban. Not to mention scholarship reductions, fines and who knows what else as the NCAA further attempts to turn penalties into actual deterrents.
 
Mack is the best case scenario for Louisville. Who else was a realistic option? My best friend who is a UofL alum, wanted someone with a final four/championship on his resume but those guys don't leave their programs (unless you're Tubby). Of the active coaches with titles-K, Cal, Self, Roy, Izzo, Self, Ollie, Wright, Boeheim. That's it. Crazy, huh?

So I'd say getting a guy who got Xavier a one seed and an Elite Eight last year while facing probation is about the best case scenario for the Cards.
 
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Pat forde says UL death penalty still on the table for UL. Mack also tied to Andy Miller.


https://sports.yahoo.com/chris-mack-louisville-taking-big-risk-185432165.html

Under normal circumstances, taking the plunge from Xavier to Louisville would be a no-brainer – reward easily outweighing risk. Louisville wins national titles and goes to Final Fours and puts 22,000 fans in the stands while competing in the best of all basketball conferences, the ACC. Xavier, while a very good program, has none of those things.

But these are seriously abnormal times at Louisville. A national championship banner was taken down last month. A Hall of Fame coach and celebrated athletic director were run out of town last fall. First it was strippers in the dorm, then it was an alleged six-figure payment scheme – the scandal cycle has been a doozy. A second major NCAA investigation in less than three years, and a second set of major sanctions, appear inevitable.

So, Chris Mack, is taking this Louisville job a leap of faith? Or a leap of foolhardiness?

The waters he’s diving into are troubled. The map of what’s beneath the surface may have changed. Dashing an accomplished career onto the rocks seems to be a potential outcome here.

The money and job security are great: seven years at $4 million a year. Mack is believed to be one of just seven coaches in college basketball now making an annual salary of $4 million or more. That will buy plenty of house in his wife’s hometown.

69168657027c3a07a14a797adfd4fee0

Chris Mack will make $4 million annually on his seven-year contract after agreeing to become Louisville’s head coach. (AP)

But all coaches are hardwired to win, and Mack already was winning at a high level at Xavier – he just took the Musketeers to a Big East title and an NCAA tournament No. 1 seed. And there are major questions about when league titles and No. 1 seeds will again be within Louisville’s grasp.

Things should eventually get better, but they also could get considerably worse before they get better. “Eventually” is dauntingly open-ended where Louisville is concerned.

If the Cardinals are nailed by the NCAA in the fallout from the ongoing federal investigation into corruption in college basketball, the school certainly would be labeled a repeat violator – having the distinct dishonor of committing major violations while already on probation for a previous set of major violations. That would leave the program susceptible to the strongest penalties the NCAA can administer.

Yes, that includes the so-called death penalty. Complete suspension of the program for a season or more.

Some NCAA rules experts I’ve talked to don’t believe it would come to that for Louisville – that the school’s complete house-cleaning since the second scandal came to light would be a mitigating factor. (SMU football was dealt the only real death penalty in the 1980s because the same people went back to committing the same violations after the first sanctions were handed down. There was a complete lack of penitence.)

Still, it would hardly be a shock to eventually – this will all take a lot of time, maybe several years – see the Cardinals hit with another postseason ban. Not to mention scholarship reductions, fines and who knows what else as the NCAA further attempts to turn penalties into actual deterrents.

Turns out Mack is no fool – his contract calls for additional years to be added to the deal in the event of any postseason bans. So he’ll be protected contractually.

His leap of faith is that, no matter how bad it might get, Louisville will rebuild quickly.

In that respect, Mack taking the Louisville job bears some resemblance to Bill O’Brien going to Penn State. It’s an entirely different set of issues, but a similar gamble by the coach: that whatever NCAA sanctions are looming in the future, they won’t destroy the program long-term.

O’Brien’s gamble was right – Penn State came back more quickly than most envisioned. (In part because the NCAA walked back its own ill-conceived sanctions.) But O’Brien wasn’t around to see it, bailing for the NFL’s Houston Texans after two seasons. James Franklin finished the rebuilding process, winning a Big Ten title and going to the Rose Bowl five years after the Jerry Sandusky revelations destroyed the Joe Paterno Era.

It is, also, easier to rebuild in basketball than football. You don’t need an entire offensive line; you need one or two instant-impact recruits who can change a program’s trajectory. And Louisville has all the necessary selling points in terms of facilities, conference affiliation, fan support and tradition.

But until the extent of this next wave of NCAA issues is understood, will those instant-impact recruits want to come? Mack would be asking them to take a similar leap of faith into unknown waters, without the millions in salary – and the best players will all have attractive other options.

So, a wished-for renaissance could take a while. Maybe even longer than a seven-year contract.

Then there is this to consider: Louisville is taking its own gamble with Mack, and it has nothing to do with his coaching ability. Last month, Yahoo Sports viewed some of the documents seized by federal authorities in its corruption probe. Among the roughly 25 players from 20 schools who were named in expense reports and balance sheets seized from ASM Sports Agency were two of Mack’s at Xavier: Edmond Sumner and Semaj Christon.

Of particular concern were the Sumner entries on ASM Sports associate Christian Dawkins’ expense reports – multiple mentions of cash advances paid to Sumner and his father, Ernest, while the player was still at Xavier. The advances totaled at least $7,000.

Sumner and Christon both became ASM Sports clients after turning professional. After the agency became implicated in the federal probe, they left ASM Sports.


Mack issued a statement to Yahoo Sports at the time of its Feb. 23 story: “I have no relationship with Andy Miller or any of his associates. He plays no role in the recruitment of potential student athletes on Xavier’s behalf. Beyond that, our staff has never created a path for him to foster a relationship with any of our student-athletes while enrolled at Xavier. Any suggestion that I or anyone on my staff utilized Andy Miller to provide even the slightest of financial benefits to a Xavier student-athlete is grossly misinformed. We are prepared to cooperate with any and all investigations at any level.”

Louisville is an investigation-weary school. The idea of hiring a coach whose program is in any way tied to the feds’ probe of ASM Sports should be a concern – perhaps it was, and Mack answered all questions in a manner that put any university concerns at ease.

So there is something of a mutual leap of faith today, as Louisville and Chris Mack consummate a deal. These are risky times to hire anyone, and risky times to take on a new job. Time will tell whether both parties have a safe landing from their leap.
Damn Dude your thread looks like War and Peace to huge to read.
 
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Pat forde says UL death penalty still on the table for UL. Mack also tied to Andy Miller.


https://sports.yahoo.com/chris-mack-louisville-taking-big-risk-185432165.html

Under normal circumstances, taking the plunge from Xavier to Louisville would be a no-brainer – reward easily outweighing risk. Louisville wins national titles and goes to Final Fours and puts 22,000 fans in the stands while competing in the best of all basketball conferences, the ACC. Xavier, while a very good program, has none of those things.

But these are seriously abnormal times at Louisville. A national championship banner was taken down last month. A Hall of Fame coach and celebrated athletic director were run out of town last fall. First it was strippers in the dorm, then it was an alleged six-figure payment scheme – the scandal cycle has been a doozy. A second major NCAA investigation in less than three years, and a second set of major sanctions, appear inevitable.

So, Chris Mack, is taking this Louisville job a leap of faith? Or a leap of foolhardiness?

The waters he’s diving into are troubled. The map of what’s beneath the surface may have changed. Dashing an accomplished career onto the rocks seems to be a potential outcome here.

The money and job security are great: seven years at $4 million a year. Mack is believed to be one of just seven coaches in college basketball now making an annual salary of $4 million or more. That will buy plenty of house in his wife’s hometown.

69168657027c3a07a14a797adfd4fee0

Chris Mack will make $4 million annually on his seven-year contract after agreeing to become Louisville’s head coach. (AP)

But all coaches are hardwired to win, and Mack already was winning at a high level at Xavier – he just took the Musketeers to a Big East title and an NCAA tournament No. 1 seed. And there are major questions about when league titles and No. 1 seeds will again be within Louisville’s grasp.

Things should eventually get better, but they also could get considerably worse before they get better. “Eventually” is dauntingly open-ended where Louisville is concerned.

If the Cardinals are nailed by the NCAA in the fallout from the ongoing federal investigation into corruption in college basketball, the school certainly would be labeled a repeat violator – having the distinct dishonor of committing major violations while already on probation for a previous set of major violations. That would leave the program susceptible to the strongest penalties the NCAA can administer.

Yes, that includes the so-called death penalty. Complete suspension of the program for a season or more.

Some NCAA rules experts I’ve talked to don’t believe it would come to that for Louisville – that the school’s complete house-cleaning since the second scandal came to light would be a mitigating factor. (SMU football was dealt the only real death penalty in the 1980s because the same people went back to committing the same violations after the first sanctions were handed down. There was a complete lack of penitence.)

Still, it would hardly be a shock to eventually – this will all take a lot of time, maybe several years – see the Cardinals hit with another postseason ban. Not to mention scholarship reductions, fines and who knows what else as the NCAA further attempts to turn penalties into actual deterrents.

Turns out Mack is no fool – his contract calls for additional years to be added to the deal in the event of any postseason bans. So he’ll be protected contractually.

His leap of faith is that, no matter how bad it might get, Louisville will rebuild quickly.

In that respect, Mack taking the Louisville job bears some resemblance to Bill O’Brien going to Penn State. It’s an entirely different set of issues, but a similar gamble by the coach: that whatever NCAA sanctions are looming in the future, they won’t destroy the program long-term.

O’Brien’s gamble was right – Penn State came back more quickly than most envisioned. (In part because the NCAA walked back its own ill-conceived sanctions.) But O’Brien wasn’t around to see it, bailing for the NFL’s Houston Texans after two seasons. James Franklin finished the rebuilding process, winning a Big Ten title and going to the Rose Bowl five years after the Jerry Sandusky revelations destroyed the Joe Paterno Era.

It is, also, easier to rebuild in basketball than football. You don’t need an entire offensive line; you need one or two instant-impact recruits who can change a program’s trajectory. And Louisville has all the necessary selling points in terms of facilities, conference affiliation, fan support and tradition.

But until the extent of this next wave of NCAA issues is understood, will those instant-impact recruits want to come? Mack would be asking them to take a similar leap of faith into unknown waters, without the millions in salary – and the best players will all have attractive other options.

So, a wished-for renaissance could take a while. Maybe even longer than a seven-year contract.

Then there is this to consider: Louisville is taking its own gamble with Mack, and it has nothing to do with his coaching ability. Last month, Yahoo Sports viewed some of the documents seized by federal authorities in its corruption probe. Among the roughly 25 players from 20 schools who were named in expense reports and balance sheets seized from ASM Sports Agency were two of Mack’s at Xavier: Edmond Sumner and Semaj Christon.

Of particular concern were the Sumner entries on ASM Sports associate Christian Dawkins’ expense reports – multiple mentions of cash advances paid to Sumner and his father, Ernest, while the player was still at Xavier. The advances totaled at least $7,000.

Sumner and Christon both became ASM Sports clients after turning professional. After the agency became implicated in the federal probe, they left ASM Sports.


Mack issued a statement to Yahoo Sports at the time of its Feb. 23 story: “I have no relationship with Andy Miller or any of his associates. He plays no role in the recruitment of potential student athletes on Xavier’s behalf. Beyond that, our staff has never created a path for him to foster a relationship with any of our student-athletes while enrolled at Xavier. Any suggestion that I or anyone on my staff utilized Andy Miller to provide even the slightest of financial benefits to a Xavier student-athlete is grossly misinformed. We are prepared to cooperate with any and all investigations at any level.”

Louisville is an investigation-weary school. The idea of hiring a coach whose program is in any way tied to the feds’ probe of ASM Sports should be a concern – perhaps it was, and Mack answered all questions in a manner that put any university concerns at ease.

So there is something of a mutual leap of faith today, as Louisville and Chris Mack consummate a deal. These are risky times to hire anyone, and risky times to take on a new job. Time will tell whether both parties have a safe landing from their leap.
I'm not give forde a click or you a click or anyone a click. I'm on strike but lost my sign.
 
Living in Louisville, I’d say 75% of the fans have been “meh” about the hire.

There’s still resentment from the Turtleneck firing and many are angry from the way they handled the Padgett situation.
 
Turns out Mack is no fool – his contract calls for additional years to be added to the deal in the event of any postseason bans. So he’ll be protected contractually.

very smart...when UL fans forget all the "we'll give him time to rebuild" and "he has to get his guys in here " when they lose to Alabama St at home by 15 in his second year, Mack will be able to bank $9m when the drumbeat gets so loud in year 5 - he can go back to a Xavier level school and enjoy coaching.
 
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very smart...when UL fans forget all the "we'll give him time to rebuild" and "he has to get his guys in here " when they lose to Alabama St at home by 15 in his second year, Mack will be able to bank $9m when the drumbeat gets so loud in year 5 - he can go back to a Xavier level school and enjoy coaching.


Chess not checkers!
 
Mack is the best case scenario for Louisville. Who else was a realistic option? My best friend who is a UofL alum, wanted someone with a final four/championship on his resume but those guys don't leave their programs (unless you're Tubby). Of the active coaches with titles-K, Cal, Self, Roy, Izzo, Self, Ollie, Wright, Boeheim. That's it. Crazy, huh?

So I'd say getting a guy who got Xavier a one seed and an Elite Eight last year while facing probation is about the best case scenario for the Cards.

Didn’t Ollie get canned? They coulda gotten their wish and killed two birds with one stone. Hired a minority with a championship.
 
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very smart...when UL fans forget all the "we'll give him time to rebuild" and "he has to get his guys in here " when they lose to Alabama St at home by 15 in his second year, Mack will be able to bank $9m when the drumbeat gets so loud in year 5 - he can go back to a Xavier level school and enjoy coaching.
The Mack hire seems a lot like the Crean hire at Indiana (only less creepy).
Actually Crean had a better resume, he actually made it to a FF.
I have no idea why UL fans think they got some Mount Rushmore-ish coach. It's hilarious. He's mediocre at best, but hey, so is their program, so I guess he's a good fit.
 
Fords keeps pound the cement with the Andy Miller garbage. He has no idea how the NCAA will handle it or even if the NCAA will get their hands on any documents he purports to have seen. They have been running this major scandal shat since the beginning of the season and nothing has come of it. As a matter of fact there has been false reporting and all these bozos have have backed off somewhat. Forde is putting his career in serious jeopardy by doubling down on the spreadsheets
 
Mack is the best case scenario for Louisville. Who else was a realistic option? My best friend who is a UofL alum, wanted someone with a final four/championship on his resume but those guys don't leave their programs (unless you're Tubby). Of the active coaches with titles-K, Cal, Self, Roy, Izzo, Self, Ollie, Wright, Boeheim. That's it. Crazy, huh?

So I'd say getting a guy who got Xavier a one seed and an Elite Eight last year while facing probation is about the best case scenario for the Cards.

I agree with this. Duh vile couldn't do any better given their circumstances. Mack is the very best they could of done and he's a good but not great coach
 
This is why I don't understand why so many here even waste time praising the hire as a good one. None of it is relevant when the NCAA comes down on them. Louisville will be the sacrificial lambs during back to back years. It's perfect for the NCAA, you get to nail an ACC school to protect the traditional crown jewels. It's like Cleveland State is in the ACC now and they can use that to avoid the look of favoritism.
 
Mack is the best case scenario for Louisville. Who else was a realistic option? My best friend who is a UofL alum, wanted someone with a final four/championship on his resume but those guys don't leave their programs (unless you're Tubby). Of the active coaches with titles-K, Cal, Self, Roy, Izzo, Self, Ollie, Wright, Boeheim. That's it. Crazy, huh?

So I'd say getting a guy who got Xavier a one seed and an Elite Eight last year while facing probation is about the best case scenario for the Cards.

Shouldve kept Padgett, at least through sanctions. That was clearly their best move.
 
Shouldve kept Padgett, at least through sanctions. That was clearly their best move.

I think they should have never hired him in the first place. I would have cleared the entire staff and told the players that none of them will be accepted as the HC and if they don't like it, transfer. I would have sent a message that the party was over and being handled in a serious way. No coaches who have ties to Pitino's regime allowed at UL, that's how I would have handled it.

No serious person can think Padgett was not fully aware of everything going on. This is 4 years, and he's very close to the Pitino sex and extortion scandal.

They did right by eventually clearing him but it's done and I doubt has a positive effect on the committee.
 
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Mack is a sterling 1-10 against Villanova since joining the Big East. However, only 9 of the 10 losses have been by double digits so there has been a high level of competitiveness. Perhaps a home-and-home with Nova coming for U6?
 
I think they should have never hired him in the first place. I would have cleared the entire staff and told the players that none of them will be accepted as the HC and if they don't like it, transfer. I would have sent a message that the party was over and being handled in a serious way. No coaches who have ties to Pitino's regime allowed at UL, that's how I would have handled it.

No serious person can think Padgett was not fully aware of everything going on. This is 4 years, and he's very close to the Pitino sex and extortion scandal.

They did right by eventually clearing him but it's done and I doubt has a positive effect on the committee.

I agree on that 100%. But once he's there they should've kept him. He's cheap and was doing as good as anyone they could get with this cloud looming
 
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Have a friend, big UL fan. He says best part about Mack hire is getting Bill Murray to games.

I've thought Mack was doing something shady for a few years now.
 
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