I’ve lived in Georgia for 8 years now. I know a ton of UGA diehard football fans. I’m married to one. Still haven’t met one single UGA basketball fan. Haven’t met one who could even name a player on the UGA basketball team.
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I mean, I would think a player already “committed “ to a school could demand more nil money from other schools trying to flip him , right ? Great bargaining tool .
Oh, there are some ugly situations that will arise with NIL.
Will the “bought” HS star mesh with a coaching staff that was (at best) a secondary consideration in his choice of schools?
Will a school suddenly flush with big-time recruits hesitate firing a poor coach for fear of busting up a good incoming class?
UT has has at least half-a-dozen 4 Star QB’s that simply could not get it done: if their fans invested millions in a future bust, does it create animosity between fans and the coaches?
I won't argue that, in fact I am probably one of them. But I can count the number of basketball games I watch until the big dance on one hand. But I respect the rights of others to be all in on it.
Can't wait for a collective to sue a kid for breech of signed contract because they choose a diff school on signing day
I don't think these kids are getting anything from a collective until they get on campus. You can't pay a kid to pick a school, so it seems highly unlikely that a kid can flip and end up with anything.
Now, if you sign with a company offering a product, that money could come before getting on campus as long as state law doesn't prevent it. Think Quinn Ewers graduating early and going to OSU and having a deal with some kombucha company. Texas wouldn't let him sign it as a HS student.
I'm sure there will be blowback in places, but I bet more money is promised than actually gets paid out.
This thread has some of the worst Debbie Downers I've ever seen. We're getting recruits and if Marrow doesn't seem concerned, then I don't.
Furthermore, even if he was, why waste time wigging out over something we can't control on a message board? Either do something to collect folks and make a change or don't.
Furthermore, even if he was, why waste time wigging out over something we can't control on a message board? Either do something to collect folks and make a change or don't.
This is the way. As wild west as things have gotten, you start sweetening the athletics sponsorship deals in return for corporate participation in collectives. Renegotiate existing deals? Probably not. You have a lot of revenue and budget analysis to do before you start shoveling cash from the athletics fund back to affiliated companies for return through a collective, and it might present a red flag, assuming anyone is still trying to enforce some semblance of law and order. I'll promise you neither Mitch nor Kroger (for instance) are going down this path. You need a special relationship with the business before you even think of such an adjustment. (1) they might renege on the handshake, and (2) one of their less friendly officers might leak the arrangement. Still, with the right AD and the right sponsorship relationship, this could work.
That's the difference. Those other two schools have other outside money playing a role. UL does not. Coupled with the known fact that Payne has major Nike ties and Adidas needs to hold onto the contract, it makes sense all the way around for all parties.
You aren't wrong. That's why we need a creative approach to leverage everything we can. Instead we're getting the patience lecture from top button Mitch while other schools catch us and will eventually pass us. Worst case scenario we lose our staff because they're tired of losing all that time investment on recruits and the program slides back into the dark ages of hoping we can upset south Carolina once every 4 years or so.
We aren't basketball first. Not anymore. Might want to look around. Attendance at basketball is down and attendance at football is way up. There are more fans that travel to bowl games than even attend a basketball game at rupp.
Football is the breadwinner by a massive amount. The bowl payout share is probably more than basketball clears in a few years time.
There is a key difference in nil in the two sports though. In basketball aau players have been paid for years. That's why there aren't any crazy nil stories in basketball because it's old hat. We're used to overcoming the money deficiency there. Football is where the landscape was wide open because there wasn't aau bagmen. That's why it's going so crazy right now.
Like I said in another thread: we don't have to go crazy we just need to be respectable in nil. All the high bid kids are five stars and never coming here anyway. Louisville and ut are paying kids because noone wanted to go there otherwise. All we have to do is get respectable and we will continue to get the kids we've been getting; and that's all we need. Our coaches just need the ability to do it
Are you seriously telling me you think football HS recruits have not been getting paid for years as well? Bless your heart my friend.
They have but it hasn't been the same way as aau in basketball. That's why there is such a difference in how nil changed the two sports.
I personally think NIL will destroy collegiate sports. It has created a unleveled playing field.
I hope, I’m wrong.
Players are professional paid athletes.
I’m not against players being paid something but it should be on a level field.
Please don’t bash it just my opinion.
I hope, I’m wrong.
Players are professional paid athletes.
I’m not against players being paid something but it should be on a level field.
Please don’t bash it just my opinion.
Aye, and there in lies the rub. Depending on Barney to be creative, or pro-active. Barney is a mushroom, sitting in the dark, digesting his own waste.
How so? It's given the teams with the biggest boosters and the deepest pockets an advantage teams like UK will never be able to utilize. That's the opposite of leveling the field
You may be the only person who thinks that. ATM bought the highest rated class ever signed since such things have been kept up with. Keep in mind it's been over 80 years since they won a NC and were coming off another 4 loss season. Now this year Miami who hasn't been anything in 20 years hasa billionaire booster openly bragging about how much he is giving guys to sign with Miami. Recently they topped TN be giving another QB 9.5m to attend Miami. Even here UK fans are upset about Louisville buying players,but this has leveled the playing field? What it has done is made it easy for lazy recruiters to sign great classes.
In reality, just the opposite is demonstrably true. Mitch Barnhart has been creative and proactive. He has rebuilt or renovated nearly all of UK's athletics facilities. He has given unprecedented raises and kept Vince Marrow on our staff. He has elevated every UK sport. Far from "sitting in the dark", Barnhart is widely recognized in the industry as a top department manager and a steady hand. Your characterization of Barnhart as a mushroom sitting in the dark is obviously meant as a humiliating description, but the ultimate humiliation is to turn on your own when they are getting the job done. You should listen to Vince Marrow, who has strongly praised Barnhart. If you turn against Barnhart, you are saying Marrow isn't truthful.
At least half of their commits will sign elsewhere when the time comes. This guy will not leave the state of Georgia.
I think he does, he went to Miami to get their offer, ATM, don't think ghe vols were that interested. At UGA he would be behind several kids better than him. But Tech would be all over him
Was he "getting the job done" when he let football fester for his first 10 years as the AD? Is he "getting the job done" now as we fall behind other schools in using NIL? Does Barney sign Morrows check? Might cause a little conflict of interest if Morrow were to say something. I'm guessing Vince is so good at his job because he is diplomatic. There might be carry over.
Football had festered for 50 years prior to Mitch.
At a school that averages in the bottom half of the P5 in most relevant categories, being 9th nationally in the Learfield Cup Standings says a lot.
Did it take Mitch a decade to shed the deadwood of decades of basketball worship?
Yes, and we are lucky he stayed long enough to get it done.
It does to me, without being privy to NIL deals, and their specifics.
It all depends on the contract language, and an 18 year old doesn’t have to have a parent, guardian or conservator to sign a binding contract, so it is “buyer/seller, beware.”
I see nothing preventing (especially high dollar NIL deals) non-compete clauses . . . “the athlete acknowledges that for and in consideration of his initial receipt of $100,000.00 he further agrees that he shall not play intercollegiate football at Auburn University, or any other SEC entity for a period of five (5) years from the date of the entry of this contract”
What’s to prevent this?
Sure, wise drafters of NIL deals, who represent the “collectives” will make monthly payments with any limiting contingency they can get the athlete to agree to . . . including “sin” clauses prohibiting drunkenness, drug abuse, and violent crime convictions.
What about transfers, failures to make the squad, etc., etc. . . . .
“The athlete further agrees that should his relationship with the University of Alabama Football be terminated for any reason, that his receipt of prior money was sufficient consideration for his entry to this contract, and any further such monthly payments shall cease, immediately.”
The first lesson a good attorney learns is that there are few limitations on what adults can agree to.
Non-compete clauses have been limited by Courts, usually allowing 5 years as a permissible length of time. I suspect a conference limitation would hold water, as there are other conferences a kid can play for, so he isn’t knocked out of college ball, completely.
What if he verbals to go to Bama, then signs with Oklahoma?
Again, I would hope collectives and their attorneys would be wise enough to begin payments after the entry of the player in June, following NSD . . . when he is actually a member of the squad.
It would be a pretty stupid contract drafter that allowed a party to collect $ upfront with no quid pro quo.
The entities providing these funds typically didn’t fall off a turnip truck, yesterday.
I assume that any “nine-million dollar” deal you have heard of has a 36 month payment timeline from the Summer after NSD, with a two year “option” period following the initial 36 month deal. The “36 months” is to allow the player to go pro after his first three years, absent consequences to either party. Should the player stay a 4th or 5th year, The “option” after 36 months would allow, but not require, the NIL collective to continue the deal.
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How? You are paying for a kids Name, Image, and Likeness. You can't direct him to a school and you can't tie it to performance. Therefore, how can you limit it legally?
I think this is where the biggest ups and downs will be. I don't blame the schools for trying to go all in up front if your record has been average or worse, but getting the money to the kids who are already on campus, catching the TDs, making tackles, etc is probably going to be the best bet long term.
Yes. The basketball bennies prevented Barney from upgrading the recruiting room from a table in the cafeteri, to a meeting room in the football complex. Just admit Barney was a disaster. And sure, our tiddlewinks team is top notch. But football pays the bills, and he has already cost the school millions with his poor planning, and attitude towards the fans.
Barney didn't contact Stoops for our coaching vacancy. Stoops sought HIM out. Just as Mike Pratt had to drag Barney to the finish line to hire Cal. Now let's talk about the stellar hires he has made in baseball! Or any sport. I'm not impressed with lucking into being in a confrencet that pays you so well that you can throw money at coaches. Does Barney get credit for that?
Or the times he was on the selection committee and let the other AD's screw us out of proper seeds? And here's where you say "He has no influence, he has to leave the room." And a good AD would say "Duke likes to play their tourney games in Carolina. I have to say they don't deserve that. So they get a higher seed too." Then you have lunch with the Duke AD and work out a solution.
Or when the SEC refs screw us over. So UF, or LSU, or one of the selected teams win. Instead of raising a fuss, Barney says "Please sir, may I have another." We know this to be true because the only fines we seem to pay is when we storm the field.
Barney is a timid bean counter.
