Levis has HORRIFIC pocket presence!!!!!

[sieken]

^^^ Smoke or Dingle was the easy throw and likely first down, in the second clip. I think ideally, Bates and Key would have ran their routes a couple of yards deeper as well, it would put less defenders at the line to gain.

Levis has all of the raw talent in the world and that's what will get him drafted early, if he goes as early as projected. He has some things that teams will have to overlook to take him early first round.

 

[ManitouDan]

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This is a good example of his jeckyll and hyde pocket presence. This play, OL picks up the blitz nicely. Be stares down two wide open receivers. Then runs directly into a blitzer after holding the ball. This was a key 3rd down miss.

In the other clip, he perfectly slides left and unleashes a casual 60 yard throw on the money that dane key dropped.

Fans remember the awesome talent, as well they should. I think he should be the #1 overall pick. But they should also remember the obvious holes he has in his game where he lacks natural pocket presence, holds the ball too long, lacks anticipation, and isn't great at post snap reads. Good news is way better in these areas than last year and getting better still.

Well stated . Hes gonna be a very very high draft pick but its those post snap reads and issues with locking in on a single receiver that might hurt us before he matures into a NFL all league QB .

 

[southindycat]

You guys criticizing our QB are IDIOTS best QB we have had in a decade

... or two.

 

[Girthang]

Yes he is. JL was great sometimes but he would make the worst decisions I've ever seen. Cost us A Florida game one year.

Our OL cost us a UF game that year.

 

[Girthang]

For real, dude is a beast and Key should have hauled in another TD for him. That pass was perfect.

Pass was nearly perfect and was still a very tough catch. Hope it doesn't hurt Key's confidence

 

[UKat1]

Can't have a pocket presence when you do not have a pocket.

He takes way too many sacks which could be avoided simply by throwing the ball away, he holds the ball far too long. When you hear those footsteps and that feeling pressure is on top of you and no receivers open after progressions, throw it away or take off and run.

He doesn't run nearly as much as last year, I'm sure the coaches don't want to risk him getting hurt running, which tells you they have no confidence in their backups

 

[TBCat]

Pass was nearly perfect and was still a very tough catch. Hope it doesn't hurt Key's confidence

It won't hurt his confidence. He got his hands on it but in reality that would have been one hell of a catch if he held on to it.

 

[UKat1]

NIU has 2 or 3 guys immediately in the backfield on every snap. Levis barely has time to even take a quick peek at the field.

Every team UK plays will scheme like that....if they're smart

 

[HerrosHeroes]

Yet he ranks 18th nationally in passing yards.
Hmmmmmmm……

 

[HerrosHeroes]

Every team UK plays will scheme like that....if they're smart

Now that CRod is back they better not.
His field vision, power and want to, are far superior to Smoke and any other back UK utilizes. Playtime for opposing defenses is over.

 

[azubuikefan]

Our OL cost us a UF game that year.

JLO spinning around and throwing the ball up in the air for no reason instead of holding onto the ball cost us.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

JLO spinning around and throwing the ball up in the air for no reason instead of holding onto the ball cost us.

Correct. That was an embarrassing abysmal display of football than anyone over the age of 10 would never even imagine. Without that gift, they likely run out of time.

 

[Girthang]

JLO spinning around and throwing the ball up in the air for no reason instead of holding onto the ball cost us.

Lol. You look at the end result of the OL letting people through to hit him and think that him trying to keep the drive alive is what did it? He holds onto it, and Florida still gets the ball back with time to score. Blame the people that refused to block their assignments, not the one getting hammered by the same defenders.

I've watched that tape between 10 and 20 times. It wasn't just one play that cost UK. Watch it again and watch the right side of the OL for the last few series... If you honestly think they even tried to stop their man, you've never played a down of football.

 

[azubuikefan]

Lol. You look at the end result of the OL letting people through to hit him and think that him trying to keep the drive alive is what did it? He holds onto it, and Florida still gets the ball back with time to score. Blame the people that refused to block their assignments, not the one getting hammered by the same defenders.

I've watched that tape between 10 and 20 times. It wasn't just one play that cost UK. Watch it again and watch the right side of the OL for the last few series... If you honestly think they even tried to stop their man, you've never played a down of football.

No, we were in a position to win until that happened. If you watched the game 20 times (which is weird, btw), you would see that. Now you're claiming the OL was sabotaging the game, which is also weird.

 

[Fox2monk]

Pass was nearly perfect and was still a very tough catch. Hope it doesn't hurt Key's confidence

I doubt it, like you said it was tough and he was covered well, just a play he would usually make.

 

[Girthang]

No, we were in a position to win until that happened. If you watched the game 20 times (which is weird, btw), you would see that. Now you're claiming the OL was sabotaging the game, which is also weird.

Lol. Ok. So you went back and watched it, but didnt see the big whiffs by any offensive linemen? Lmao.

I wasn't the only one that saw it happen at the time and talked about it with a lot of people that year. It isn't a "now you're claiming" thing. A friend of mine covered UK sports back then, so, yes, we watched those series many times and it wasn't "weird" to do so. That game film may be the reason why one of the OL didn't have any NFL career to speak of.

 

[Soupbean]

He does not have time to read the progression of the play. Perhaps his vision is due to seeing the other teams defense in the backfield too often. We are (for this past game) in the 4th week of the regular season and he knows as well as the rest of us that the O-line cannot protect him (yet) so, his vision must be adjusted to just a narrow field (time driven). It's almost as if he has to think and play as if there is a blitz almost every down. Most coaches I believe have already seen the problems with our O-line and "bringing the house" as one poster put it looks to be the thing to do right now. I think Will has handled this well to this point.

Agree thats sort of my point. He has to shorten the progression and be more aware of the rush. But one way to control a rush is to make them pay for it by breaking it down on a scramble but you have to be ready to do that and cant wait until you are surrounded. The other is to get to your checkdown sooner for the same purpose.

But you are right, so far Will has only had enough time to look at option 1 in most cases before its on him. That said he's still needs to improve and widen his cone of vision because he's taken some hits on the rush that werent necessarily blind side rushes that guys like Hooker would have seen/sensed and sidestepped for a big gain and thats what I'm getting to. I think Will is so confident in his ability to gun it in there later than most could, he holds the ball longer than most and stares down guys waiting for that sliver of space others couldnt even think about getting inthere.

He's also missed some open guys running off his intended WR because he gets so zeroed in on option one sometimes and that goes back to widening that cone of vision IMO.

All that said, he's still done remarkably well with the little protection he's received and I already saw him getting better at sliding his feet and making plays last week. And he's thowing so well right now that if we ever did give him more time he'd be tearing teams apart. His upside is still unreal, I"m just picking at the one thing I think he needs to get better at that would help the most right now.

 

[Soupbean]

Found the right guy under pressure that time. 69 yard TD.

To be fair, he does need to read the play faster and dump the ball off at times.

The kids pays hard and just tries to make plays and does make a ton of them, but This is what I spent so much time taking about last week that is keeping him from getting us over the hump, and that’s his limited come of vision and clock in his head to know when trouble is coming.

He’s go to learn that he can make plays on the move too and doesn’t just have to make them from the pocket and has to learn to get on the mover after the 2 or 3 count

 

[ManitouDan]

Well stated . Hes gonna be a very very high draft pick but its those post snap reads and issues with locking in on a single receiver that might hurt us before he matures into a NFL all league QB .

I shoulda quoted Soupbean as his post was so dead on it coulda been written by an NFL scout , Will's cone of vision is somewhat tunnel vision , it just is . And I said " how long can we wait before it bites us in the ass " He may mature into a NFL all star , he has that type of tool set , But that didnt cash the check yesterday at Ole Miss. His flaws ( and the kicking teams) cost us this win. If we are willing to be very honest with ourselves what grade would you give Will yesterday ? Certainly wasnt the look of a NFL 1st rounder to a top ten pick . Sad but true , We shit the bed on a chance to spend weeks in the top ten and be a 7-0 team 7 weeks into the season .

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I love will and wouldn't trade him for anyone. One of my favorite players ever. Can't find many like him that lay it all on the line. He's an amazing NFL prospect and as I posted before the season, I really think he will be the #1 pick.

That said, if the teams Saturday traded qbs we win that game by three tds. Dart and many others are just better college qbs. Let's contrast a few plays:

Twice UK put major heat on dart. Major as in he had about 1 second to throw. He immediately diagnosed the blitz, his coverage, and delivered two beautiful deep, anticipation throws on correct reads to his corner/fade. We got bailed out when the wr dropped one.

Contrast that with ball inside the 10, under a minute, no tos, can't take a sack. Blitz comes, QB holds the ball, doesn't feel the rush, stripped and game is over.

 

[TBCat]

I love will and wouldn't trade him for anyone. One of my favorite players ever. Can't find many like him that lay it all on the line. He's an amazing NFL prospect and as I posted before the season, I really think he will be the #1 pick.

That said, if the teams Saturday traded qbs we win that game by three tds. Dart and many others are just better college qbs. Let's contrast a few plays:

Twice UK put major heat on dart. Major as in he had about 1 second to throw. He immediately diagnosed the blitz, his coverage, and delivered two beautiful deep, anticipation throws on correct reads to his corner/fade. We got bailed out when the wr dropped one.

Contrast that with ball inside the 10, under a minute, no tos, can't take a sack. Blitz comes, QB holds the ball, doesn't feel the rush, stripped and game is over.

Levis had a 185 QBR last night. Dart was 105. I wouldn't make that trade. Levis did have the two fumbles but that came after he was put in a place where he tried to do too much. If we don't make the mistakes early, I don't believe the fumbles would have happened.

 

[ManitouDan]

Dart celebrated , Will is probably wondering what the hell just happened . QBR's be damned . Do QBR's not calculate TO's ?

 

[TBCat]

Dart celebrated , Will is probably wondering what the hell just happened . QBR's be damned . Do QBR's not calculate TO's ?

They do but they also calculate Levis' 2 TDs to Dart's 0. Levis' 0 INTs to Dart's 1. Levis 75% completion to Dart's 51. Yardage was about the same but Levis averated 9.2 Y/A to Dart's 7.3.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Levis had a 185 QBR last night. Dart was 105. I wouldn't make that trade. Levis did have the two fumbles but that came after he was put in a place where he tried to do too much. If we don't make the mistakes early, I don't believe the fumbles would have happened.

I wouldn't make it either because I love the way he approaches the game. You just don't find qbs with that level of passion. However that doesn't mean he is without serious warts at this level and there is no reason to stick our heads in the sand.

Like I said in another post: he's an amazing NFL prospect but only a mediocre/good college qb

 

[UKortho]

Will has 6 turnovers in the last four games I believe. Several of them were in the red zone. That has to stop.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

 

[ManitouDan]

Van Hiles stuff is very enlightening

 

[bigbluedon]

I shoulda quoted Soupbean as his post was so dead on it coulda been written by an NFL scout , Will's cone of vision is somewhat tunnel vision , it just is . And I said " how long can we wait before it bites us in the ass " He may mature into a NFL all star , he has that type of tool set , But that didnt cash the check yesterday at Ole Miss. His flaws ( and the kicking teams) cost us this win. If we are willing to be very honest with ourselves what grade would you give Will yesterday ? Certainly wasnt the look of a NFL 1st rounder to a top ten pick . Sad but true , We shit the bed on a chance to spend weeks in the top ten and be a 7-0 team 7 weeks into the season .

Stoops has a clunker like this at least once per season. What the hell is Ruffalo’s problem? This is a disgraceful loss.