Last years roster compared to this one

TriCountyCat · May 2, 2024

2024 Bigs > 2023 Bigs
Carr > Mitchell Carr =< Adou
Brea, Oweh => Edwards
Kriisa, Butler > Wagner but worse than Dillingham and Reed.

IMO with Robinson our Roster will be better than last years. This isn’t mentioning the two Freshman that could surprise us all.

Eight_Banners · May 2, 2024

TriCountyCat said:
2024 Bigs > 2023 Bigs
Carr > Mitchell Carr =< Adou
Brea, Oweh => Edwards
Kriisa, Butler > Wagner but worse than Dillingham and Reed.

IMO with Robinson our Roster will be better than last years. This isn’t mentioning the two Freshman that could surprise us all.

Let me help you out with actual numbers:

These are based on roster numbers from 2023-24, with the players who played 450+ minutes:

KENTUCKY 2023-24

Player	PER	ORtg	DRtg
Antonio Reeves	23.6	129.2	112.9
Reed Sheppard	23.6	129.4	103.1
Tre Mitchell	17.1	120.9	108.1
D.J. Wagner	12.7	105.6	113.6
Rob Dillingham	23.5	118	109.8
Justin Edwards	16.2	119.2	110.4
Adou Thiero	17.7	124.9	106.8
Ugonna Onyenso	15.9	116.5	104
KENTUCKY	18.8	120.5	108.6

CURRENT ROSTER:

Player	PER	ORtg	DRtg
Otega Oweh	17.5	104.7	98.4
Amari Williams	28.5	109.5	92.1
Andrew Carr	20.8	127.6	103.2
Kerr Kriisa	12.1	106	116
Koby Brea	18.3	134.5	106.1
Brandon Garrison	17.8	108.6	101.2
Lamont Butler	14.3	105.3	100.3
KENTUCKY 2024-25	18.5	113.7	102.5

We are in a much better place defensively. Obviously, matching last year's offense would be nearly impossible, since it was historic from a Kentucky standpoint. A lot depends on how good Perry and Chandler turn out to be.

anonymous_2011 · May 2, 2024

Our roster last year was phenomenal (at least on offense).

Coaching was the issue.

TriCountyCat · May 2, 2024

Eight_Banners said:
Let me help you out with actual numbers:

These are based on roster numbers from 2023-24, with the players who played 450+ minutes:

KENTUCKY 2023-24

Player PER ORtg DRtg
Antonio Reeves
23.6
129.2
112.9
Reed Sheppard
23.6
129.4
103.1
Tre Mitchell
17.1
120.9
108.1
D.J. Wagner
12.7
105.6
113.6
Rob Dillingham
23.5
118
109.8
Justin Edwards
16.2
119.2
110.4
Adou Thiero
17.7
124.9
106.8
Ugonna Onyenso
15.9
116.5
104
KENTUCKY
18.8
120.5
108.6

CURRENT ROSTER:

Player PER ORtg DRtg
Otega Oweh
17.5
104.7
98.4
Amari Williams
28.5
109.5
92.1
Andrew Carr
20.8
127.6
103.2
Kerr Kriisa
12.1
106
116
Koby Brea
18.3
134.5
106.1
Brandon Garrison
17.8
108.6
101.2
Lamont Butler
14.3
105.3
100.3
KENTUCKY 2024-25
18.5
113.7
102.5

We are in a much better place defensively. Obviously, matching last year's offense would be nearly impossible, since it was historic from a Kentucky standpoint. A lot depends on how good Perry and Chandler turn out to be.

I forgot about Reeves, in reality he carried our team last year in terms of consistency

Eight_Banners · May 2, 2024

TriCountyCat said:
2024 Bigs > 2023 Bigs
Carr > Mitchell Carr =< Adou
Brea, Oweh => Edwards
Kriisa, Butler > Wagner but worse than Dillingham and Reed.

IMO with Robinson our Roster will be better than last years. This isn’t mentioning the two Freshman that could surprise us all.

What I think Pope is thinking with his Guard additions is that you can put in 40%+ 3PT shooters 1-3 and just dare defenses to leave one of them open.

Kriisa can shoot 40% from 3, or he can pass it to Brea, Chandler, or Perry who also shoot 40%. Or, he can put Butler at PG (who probably starts), and put 40% from 3 at SG and SF, Andrew Carr (37%) at the 4. You keep the defense having to guard for all forty minutes of the game.

dl51344 · May 2, 2024

Eight_Banners said:
Let me help you out with actual numbers:

These are based on roster numbers from 2023-24, with the players who played 450+ minutes:

KENTUCKY 2023-24

Player PER ORtg DRtg
Antonio Reeves
23.6
129.2
112.9
Reed Sheppard
23.6
129.4
103.1
Tre Mitchell
17.1
120.9
108.1
D.J. Wagner
12.7
105.6
113.6
Rob Dillingham
23.5
118
109.8
Justin Edwards
16.2
119.2
110.4
Adou Thiero
17.7
124.9
106.8
Ugonna Onyenso
15.9
116.5
104
KENTUCKY
18.8
120.5
108.6

CURRENT ROSTER:

Player PER ORtg DRtg
Otega Oweh
17.5
104.7
98.4
Amari Williams
28.5
109.5
92.1
Andrew Carr
20.8
127.6
103.2
Kerr Kriisa
12.1
106
116
Koby Brea
18.3
134.5
106.1
Brandon Garrison
17.8
108.6
101.2
Lamont Butler
14.3
105.3
100.3
KENTUCKY 2024-25
18.5
113.7
102.5

We are in a much better place defensively. Obviously, matching last year's offense would be nearly impossible, since it was historic from a Kentucky standpoint. A lot depends on how good Perry and Chandler turn out to be.

Good work.

BlueSince92 · May 2, 2024

Eight_Banners said:
Let me help you out with actual numbers:

These are based on roster numbers from 2023-24, with the players who played 450+ minutes:

KENTUCKY 2023-24

Player PER ORtg DRtg
Antonio Reeves
23.6
129.2
112.9
Reed Sheppard
23.6
129.4
103.1
Tre Mitchell
17.1
120.9
108.1
D.J. Wagner
12.7
105.6
113.6
Rob Dillingham
23.5
118
109.8
Justin Edwards
16.2
119.2
110.4
Adou Thiero
17.7
124.9
106.8
Ugonna Onyenso
15.9
116.5
104
KENTUCKY
18.8
120.5
108.6

CURRENT ROSTER:

Player PER ORtg DRtg
Otega Oweh
17.5
104.7
98.4
Amari Williams
28.5
109.5
92.1
Andrew Carr
20.8
127.6
103.2
Kerr Kriisa
12.1
106
116
Koby Brea
18.3
134.5
106.1
Brandon Garrison
17.8
108.6
101.2
Lamont Butler
14.3
105.3
100.3
KENTUCKY 2024-25
18.5
113.7
102.5

We are in a much better place defensively. Obviously, matching last year's offense would be nearly impossible, since it was historic from a Kentucky standpoint. A lot depends on how good Perry and Chandler turn out to be.

I’m with you generally but I think it’s worth mentioning that while the total offensive potential of last year is probably out of reach for us, the coaching change will have a lot to say about what we see in reality compared to that potential. A good chunk of last year’s balmy numbers came from stretches here and there where Cal was willing to run Welch’s offense. But he wasn’t willing to run that over the long haul. And I would take our guys’ offense in Pope’s system, when combined as a whole, over last year’s guys’ offense under John Calipari’s perimeter weave suicide system even with Reed and Rob and Reeves plugged into that system. In a heartbeat.

ChicagoCat1990 · May 2, 2024

I will compare the teams in one category only. Did the 2023 team win a tourney game? No. Did the 2024 team win a tourney game? TBD.

podgejeff_ · May 2, 2024

Coaching is the x factor. Pope has methods more advanced than "go make a play".

Eight_Banners · May 2, 2024

BlueSince92 said:
I’m with you generally but I think it’s worth mentioning that while the total offensive potential of last year is probably out of reach for us, the coaching change will have a lot to say about what we see in reality compared to that potential. A good chunk of last year’s balmy numbers came from stretches here and there where Cal was willing to run Welch’s offense. But he wasn’t willing to run that over the long haul. And I would take our guys’ offense in Pope’s system, when combined as a whole, over last year’s guys’ offense under John Calipari’s perimeter weave suicide system even with Reed and Rob and Reeves plugged into that system. In a heartbeat.

I agree. I also think that the numbers of our current player's will increase because of the offensive system and will be better defensively being surrounded by really good players.

track42 · May 2, 2024

Last season's roster was one of the best in college basketball but without a coach it didn't matter. i would have loved to have seen what a guy like Hurley or Self could have done with it.

know1 · May 2, 2024

I'm more interested in comparing this season to last season instead of the rosters.

ukfan1622 · May 2, 2024

TriCountyCat said:
2024 Bigs > 2023 Bigs
Carr > Mitchell Carr =< Adou
Brea, Oweh => Edwards
Kriisa, Butler > Wagner but worse than Dillingham and Reed.

IMO with Robinson our Roster will be better than last years. This isn’t mentioning the two Freshman that could surprise us all.

IMO Carr is better than Thiero last year because he gives us a post up threat plus a 37% three point shooter.
Regarding the frosh a lot of people are thinking Chandler might be a decent player this year but I'm expecting that out of Perry as well. He is a very different type player than Sheppard and is better at some things than Sheppard; their only similarities are state of origin, skin color, and being deadeye shooters. But Perry is a Dude who can get his own shot in a number of ways whereas Shep was mainly a spot up shooter(or pulling up off the break).

BBNinSC · May 2, 2024

I do believe Pope has built this roster with a couple of players that will improve greatly and be much better than last season’s numbers.
Expect Oweh and Garrison to continue to improve. I’m calling Oweh a all-SEC player right now

Elliott Tim · May 2, 2024

Eight_Banners said:
Let me help you out with actual numbers:

These are based on roster numbers from 2023-24, with the players who played 450+ minutes:

KENTUCKY 2023-24

Player PER ORtg DRtg
Antonio Reeves
23.6
129.2
112.9
Reed Sheppard
23.6
129.4
103.1
Tre Mitchell
17.1
120.9
108.1
D.J. Wagner
12.7
105.6
113.6
Rob Dillingham
23.5
118
109.8
Justin Edwards
16.2
119.2
110.4
Adou Thiero
17.7
124.9
106.8
Ugonna Onyenso
15.9
116.5
104
KENTUCKY
18.8
120.5
108.6

CURRENT ROSTER:

Player PER ORtg DRtg
Otega Oweh
17.5
104.7
98.4
Amari Williams
28.5
109.5
92.1
Andrew Carr
20.8
127.6
103.2
Kerr Kriisa
12.1
106
116
Koby Brea
18.3
134.5
106.1
Brandon Garrison
17.8
108.6
101.2
Lamont Butler
14.3
105.3
100.3
KENTUCKY 2024-25
18.5
113.7
102.5

We are in a much better place defensively. Obviously, matching last year's offense would be nearly impossible, since it was historic from a Kentucky standpoint. A lot depends on how good Perry and Chandler turn out to be.

You employed tact in helping him.

know1 · May 2, 2024

It's kind of sad how so many people have been brainwashed at this point to think that the roster is all that matters. It matters a lot, but there's a lot more to it than just the roster.

I guess it's because for 15 years there wasn't anything more that was put into it EXCEPT the roster.

ManitouDan · May 2, 2024

Eight_Banners said:
Let me help you out with actual numbers:

These are based on roster numbers from 2023-24, with the players who played 450+ minutes:

KENTUCKY 2023-24

Player PER ORtg DRtg
Antonio Reeves
23.6
129.2
112.9
Reed Sheppard
23.6
129.4
103.1
Tre Mitchell
17.1
120.9
108.1
D.J. Wagner
12.7
105.6
113.6
Rob Dillingham
23.5
118
109.8
Justin Edwards
16.2
119.2
110.4
Adou Thiero
17.7
124.9
106.8
Ugonna Onyenso
15.9
116.5
104
KENTUCKY
18.8
120.5
108.6

CURRENT ROSTER:

Player PER ORtg DRtg
Otega Oweh
17.5
104.7
98.4
Amari Williams
28.5
109.5
92.1
Andrew Carr
20.8
127.6
103.2
Kerr Kriisa
12.1
106
116
Koby Brea
18.3
134.5
106.1
Brandon Garrison
17.8
108.6
101.2
Lamont Butler
14.3
105.3
100.3
KENTUCKY 2024-25
18.5
113.7
102.5

We are in a much better place defensively. Obviously, matching last year's offense would be nearly impossible, since it was historic from a Kentucky standpoint. A lot depends on how good Perry and Chandler turn out to be.

good work !

DreadLox · May 2, 2024

As a by-the-way kind of factoid, the idea that Pope could put together a great line=up in 2 weeks was crazy. Recruiting is a year long process. That Pope has been able to win the hearts-and-minds of these kids in 2 weeks is staggering.

Also, those players' numbers reflect the way their coaches used them. Give me a chisel and a block of marble and you get dust, Give a sculptor the same chisel and marble and you get a statue. I'm not evaluating the skill of these players' former coaches, but there's a possibility that the players and coaches didn't click or that they had more skill than they were allowed to display.

The transfer portal reminds me of the early days of eBay when you could find a great bargain or two with a little persistence and a little luck.

The proof is in the pudding, though. If Pope fields an 11 man team next year that competes well and wins most of its games, it's a triumph.

maysvilleky · May 2, 2024

22/23 vs 18/19. 👍🏼

Last years roster compared to this one

Junior

Blue Chip Prospect

Junior

Blue Chip Prospect

Sophomore

All-SEC

Sophomore

All-SEC

Blue Chip Prospect

Senior

All-American

Junior

Sophomore

All-SEC

All-American

All-American

Junior

All-American

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