Lane Kiffin-NIL

[rucker4]

Can't disagree with Lane here. He's in the same boat as schools like Kentucky and Iowa (my school) are when it comes to this stuff.

Kiffin: NIL deals have created college 'salary caps'

Despite a strong recruiting class, and a crop of talented players headed to Ole Miss via the transfer portal, Rebels coach Lane Kiffin expressed concern for college football in the NIL era, saying programs are now "dealing with different salary caps."

www.espn.com

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Can't disagree with Lane here. He's in the same boat as schools like Kentucky and Iowa (my school) are when it comes to this stuff.

Kiffin: NIL deals have created college 'salary caps'

Despite a strong recruiting class, and a crop of talented players headed to Ole Miss via the transfer portal, Rebels coach Lane Kiffin expressed concern for college football in the NIL era, saying programs are now "dealing with different salary caps."

www.espn.com

The people who pushed the hardest for NIL on this board don't care what it does to the college football landscape. They said so repeatedly. All they care about is kids getting paid. In time it will boil down to fanbase wealth and market exposure. Many of the decades old traditions and traditional powers will be going away.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

NIL is a misnomer for most recruits being offered money. They are getting deals to come and play for the school whose patrons are paying. But for the fact that some recruiting service or staff evaluation identified them as desirable, few of these HS kids have a known name, likeliness or image worth a penny. They are paid to play and the pay is based upon the recruit’s potential and availability of funds, not upon much more.

 

[trueblujr2]

Fortunately, I think we are a bit better suited for it than the likes of the mississippi schools, vandy, and a few others in the league, namely because of the prominence of the Basketball program. I think the Football teams recent success paired with the blueblood basketball program can give us a bit of a leg up in some cases.

 

[rucker4]

Fortunately, I think we are a bit better suited for it than the likes of the mississippi schools, vandy, and a few others in the league, namely because of the prominence of the Basketball program. I think the Football teams recent success paired with the blueblood basketball program can give us a bit of a leg up in some cases.

If you want to compete with the Alabama's and Georgia's and LSU's and Texas A & M's, Lane is basically saying you better hope there are some very very rich horse farm owners in Kentucky ready to "pony up" (pun intended) heavy money to be used for NIL.

 

[sieken]

Tom Murray quote: "For when you undermine the meaning of fair competition, you celebrate something that has nothing to do with competition or excellence in sport."

I read that the other day when reading about Bonds being kept out of the HOF. Seems fitting here to me.

 

[maysvilleky]

They’ll have to put a salary cap on college teams! 😅😅😅

 

[Smashcat]

I'm all for athletes getting revenue but it's going to have to be modified. Oscar T carrying our team on his shoulders and not getting money and Shaedon Sharpe receiving a new Porsche in December before he's even practiced with the team is ludicrous. Talk about given not earned.

 

[bthaunert]

I love this part of the article:

"Even though the Rebels announced the addition of 13 midyear enrollees from the transfer portal on Tuesday, Kiffin criticized current NCAA rules that allow players to switch schools once without having to sit out a season."

The dude literally coached at 4 universities over an 11 year career, 1 of them for only 1 year before bolting, and he's criticizing a rule that allows athletes to do the same 1 time. Yeah, makes sense.

 

[YaketySax]

I'm still waiting on some numbers to get reported to put all this in perspective. Maybe one day.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

If you want to compete with the Alabama's and Georgia's and LSU's and Texas A & M's, Lane is basically saying you better hope there are some very very rich horse farm owners in Kentucky ready to "pony up" (pun intended) heavy money to be used for NIL.

Wait a minute, you are delusional if you think UGA or even Bama can compete with what A&M is doing this recruiting cycle. There are FILs being offered that 2nd round draft picks would be thrilled with for multiple years. LSU has some big money boosters but can't compete with what A&M is doing right now. Only 5-6 programs has the big money boosters that can compete with them and UGA isn't one. Stanford, some of the Ivy league and surprisingly Arkansas could if they choose to.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Wait a minute, you are delusional if you think UGA or even Bama can compete with what A&M is doing this recruiting cycle. There are FILs being offered that 2nd round draft picks would be thrilled with for multiple years. LSU has some big money boosters but can't compete with what A&M is doing right now. Only 5-6 programs has the big money boosters that can compete with them and UGA isn't one. Stanford, some of the Ivy league and surprisingly Arkansas could if they choose to.

And Cal, Texas, Michigan, UCLA, USC, Oklahoma State and even Miami. If alumni at these schools wanted to, they could destroy the SEC.

 

[rucker4]

Wait a minute, you are delusional if you think UGA or even Bama can compete with what A&M is doing this recruiting cycle. There are FILs being offered that 2nd round draft picks would be thrilled with for multiple years. LSU has some big money boosters but can't compete with what A&M is doing right now. Only 5-6 programs has the big money boosters that can compete with them and UGA isn't one. Stanford, some of the Ivy league and surprisingly Arkansas could if they choose to.

Nick Saban's name alone attracts the top recruits-- NIL money or not. And national champ Georgia now has quite the name cache' too. Or don't you agree?

 

[NoDef]

Kentucky seems to be doing pretty well in both major sports with NIL money. The best recruiting class in my lifetime on the football side.

 

[JC CATS]

They’ll have to put a salary cap on college teams! 😅😅😅

I would rather put a cap on individual players

 

[The-Hack]

The people who pushed the hardest for NIL on this board don't care what it does to the college football landscape.

Whether anyone did or didn’t push for it had no bearing on the Supreme Court’s ruling allowing it.

Now, it is what it is.

And we seem to be doing OK. And I think we continue to do well, having no pro sports to compete with, and having prominent programs.

Salary caps? Read the Supreme Court’s ruling and tell me how that would work. Maybe teams could agree to a max total per team, but individual limitations don’t seem to fit the rulings’ gist: market forces and individual rights rule!

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Whether anyone did or didn’t push for it had no bearing on the Supreme Court’s ruling allowing it.

Now, it is what it is.

And we seem to be doing OK. And I think we continue to do well, having no pro sports to compete with, and having prominent programs.

Salary caps? Read the Supreme Court’s ruling and tell me how that would work. Maybe teams could agree to a max total per team, but individual limitations don’t seem to fit the rulings’ gist: market forces and individual rights rule!

Yeah, there is no way to cap it. If you own your NIL and its within the law and some very basic NCAA rules, its your business now. No kind of cap would ever survive scrutiny.

 

[RammerJammer91]

Wait a minute, you are delusional if you think UGA or even Bama can compete with what A&M is doing this recruiting cycle. There are FILs being offered that 2nd round draft picks would be thrilled with for multiple years. LSU has some big money boosters but can't compete with what A&M is doing right now. Only 5-6 programs has the big money boosters that can compete with them and UGA isn't one. Stanford, some of the Ivy league and surprisingly Arkansas could if they choose to.

I read an article about how A&M has $30 million in NIL funds. Cowherd said last month that sources told him that an SEC school is giving a promise of $1 million per recruit, so it's not secret that school is A&M. All that oil money has to go somewhere, right?

 

[The-Hack]

No kind of cap would ever survive scrutiny.

If team caps are effective in “pro” sports, I don’t see why they couldn’t be for colleges, if the colleges band together (as have pro sports leagues) and contract it.

It doesn’t directly limit individual limits, just the teams.

But it likely won’t happen. Why would most SEC schools and big Texas schools agree to limit their recruiting advantage?

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Nick Saban's name alone attracts the top recruits-- NIL money or not. And national champ Georgia now has quite the name cache' too. Or don't you agree?

No, disagree completely. We recruited most of those kids that signed with LSU. Have went head to head with them every year Jimbo was there, won about 80% of the head to heads with him. This year it went the other way, with 2 of ours flipping late. So no even close to past history. Maybe a coincidence, When Hugh Freeze ran into his troubles at OM, the AD became a wallflower and move to a new job, guess which school. If you said A&M you would be correct. Today, Jimbo looked remarkably like Freeze daring anyone to find illegal going ons, probably needs to be careful, Freeze also beat Bama.

It's being said A&M's class is the best class since it's been a thing to rank them. Jimbo is a 4 game loser every year without Jamis, FSU was ready to run him off and Jamis showed up to save him. Is there a Jamis in this class to save him? Clock is on for him to win the SEC at least. 3 years max.

 

[CatCrazyChuk]

Wait a minute, you are delusional if you think UGA or even Bama can compete with what A&M is doing this recruiting cycle. There are FILs being offered that 2nd round draft picks would be thrilled with for multiple years. LSU has some big money boosters but can't compete with what A&M is doing right now. Only 5-6 programs has the big money boosters that can compete with them and UGA isn't one. Stanford, some of the Ivy league and surprisingly Arkansas could if they choose to.

Notre Dame?

 

[UKnCincy]

If team caps are effective in “pro” sports, I don’t see why they couldn’t be for colleges, if the colleges band together (as have pro sports leagues) and contract it.

It doesn’t directly limit individual limits, just the teams.

But it likely won’t happen. Why would most SEC schools and big Texas schools agree to limit their recruiting advantage?

Caps are permitted in professional leagues because the players agree to them through collective bargaining.

So for colleges to do the same, there’d need to be a college football players association that the schools as a whole would have to negotiate with.

That’s a route that I doubt you’ll ever see the schools push for. It would give the players far more leverage than the schools would want.

I’d also add that Kiffin’s comments about NIL are self serving and personally I don’t take them seriously. He’s doing this to manage expectations.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

If team caps are effective in “pro” sports, I don’t see why they couldn’t be for colleges, if the colleges band together (as have pro sports leagues) and contract it.

It doesn’t directly limit individual limits, just the teams.

But it likely won’t happen. Why would most SEC schools and big Texas schools agree to limit their recruiting advantage?

They work in the pros due to collective bargaining agreements. College players are not employees. There is no way I know of to group them.

 

[Blueworld_3.0]

All of this has become far too public for the SEC. Especially when you have the leagues marquee coaches openly calling out each others programs and quoting numbers.
I would expect the AD's at TAMU, Bama and Ole Miss will be getting a call from the SEC office telling to "nip it and NOW!".

Jimbo has no clothes. He actually sat at that presser and tried to sell the idea that his #1 class came to College Station for the academics??? LOL!!! That dude must have a major set he's packing around!

 

[sieken]

All of this has become far too public for the SEC. Especially when you have the leagues marquee coaches openly calling out each others programs and quoting numbers.
I would expect the AD's at TAMU, Bama and Ole Miss will be getting a call from the SEC office telling to "nip it and NOW!".

Jimbo has no clothes. He actually sat at that presser and tried to sell the idea that his #1 class came to College Station for the academics??? LOL!!! That dude must have a major set he's packing around!

I'm convinced if Jimbo had not been lucky and became a football coach, he would be slinging dope or profiled on American Greed, for running a Bernie style Ponzi scheme. Pure trash!

 

[rucker4]

I'm convinced if Jimbo had not been lucky and became a football coach, he would be slinging dope or profiled on American Greed, for running a Bernie style Ponzi scheme. Pure trash!

Here's Jimbo sounding off at his press conference yesterday on the NIL subject. The more he speaks the more the guy comes off as the untrusting uncle hiding a 9-inch dagger behind his back. I agree, he's trash.

 

[rucker4]

They work in the pros due to collective bargaining agreements. College players are not employees. There is no way I know of to group them.

@The-Hack also:

The state of Iowa's legislature just the other day did say they are going to look into legislation making college players "employees" due to the NIL issue. Bet the state of Iowa won't be the only one. This is going to get ugly and messy in time.

 

[blubo]

Kentucky seems to be doing pretty well in both major sports with NIL money. The best recruiting class in my lifetime on the football side.

Truly we are at the end of times. uk #5 recruiting class in the sec. many strange things afoot these past two years.

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[kb22stang]

The people who pushed the hardest for NIL on this board don't care what it does to the college football landscape. They said so repeatedly. All they care about is kids getting paid. In time it will boil down to fanbase wealth and market exposure. Many of the decades old traditions and traditional powers will be going away.

Absolutely, because a tradition that is built on taking advantage of the labor force needs to go away. There is zero doubt that the NIL will change college athletics but at the end of the day the playing field wasn't level before, so why do people lament that the new system has the same issues but at least it's fair to the players.

 

[sieken]

Absolutely, because a tradition that is built on taking advantage of the labor force needs to go away. There is zero doubt that the NIL will change college athletics but at the end of the day the playing field wasn't level before, so why do people lament that the new system has the same issues but at least it's fair to the players.

As per usual, the NCAA is and will be stuck in the stone ages and slow to get a handle.on this. I would say 90 percent of the people that follow college athletics agree the kids producing the entertainment should be compensated for their hard work, effort, and sacrifice. This IMO, has the makings to blow things up beyond repair, also chasing away the thing that makes the product valuable, the fans. These coaches have enough on their plate without adding to the mix trying to balance a team full of recent adults with wildly varying degrees of their value ($) to the team. I think we have already seen a few instances of players that were recruited before NIL that want some too. Jump in the portal, show the coaches you're serious, they don't pay, move onto a team that will. It's gonna get messy, hopefully someone comes along and organizes a solution that works for all parties involved.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Absolutely, because a tradition that is built on taking advantage of the labor force needs to go away. There is zero doubt that the NIL will change college athletics but at the end of the day the playing field wasn't level before, so why do people lament that the new system has the same issues but at least it's fair to the players.

Utter nonsense

 

[LosGatos]

Utter nonsense

Common sense.

 

[LosGatos]

No, disagree completely. We recruited most of those kids that signed with LSU. Have .

Did you mean FSU instead of LSU?

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Notre Dame?

Probably but I don't know about them.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

@The-Hack also:

The state of Iowa's legislature just the other day did say they are going to look into legislation making college players "employees" due to the NIL issue. Bet the state of Iowa won't be the only one. This is going to get ugly and messy in time.

Yea, it was introduced by 1 guy and has no support. What these geniuses are going to end up doing is killing the golden goose if they aren't careful. I don't share the sentiments of this article, besides, I find Dennis Dodd to be an idiot. However, if these things happen I don't think a lot of programs will survive. Most schools are in the red already.

With the NCAA backed into a corner, the age of paying college athletes is officially upon us

Deregulation of the NCAA and the empowerment of college athletes has created a long-awaited opportunity

www.cbssports.com

 

[CatCrazyChuk]

As per usual, the NCAA is and will be stuck in the stone ages and slow to get a handle.on this. I would say 90 percent of the people that follow college athletics agree the kids producing the entertainment should be compensated for their hard work, effort, and sacrifice. This IMO, has the makings to blow things up beyond repair, also chasing away the thing that makes the product valuable, the fans. These coaches have enough on their plate without adding to the mix trying to balance a team full of recent adults with wildly varying degrees of their value ($) to the team. I think we have already seen a few instances of players that were recruited before NIL that want some too. Jump in the portal, show the coaches you're serious, they don't pay, move onto a team that will. It's gonna get messy, hopefully someone comes along and organizes a solution that works for all parties involved.

The DE at UT instantly came to mind thinking he went in the portal to get the program's attention to more or less say "where is mine?".
Maybe not though.

 

[hmt5000]

The people who pushed the hardest for NIL on this board don't care what it does to the college football landscape. They said so repeatedly. All they care about is kids getting paid. In time it will boil down to fanbase wealth and market exposure. Many of the decades old traditions and traditional powers will be going away.

Not for me. I know what it will do but im worried about the legality of not paying students while coaches make $2million per year. If we want to go back to not paying players then cap coaches pay too.

 

[UKnCincy]

Yea, it was introduced by 1 guy and has no support. What these geniuses are going to end up doing is killing the golden goose if they aren't careful. I don't share the sentiments of this article, besides, I find Dennis Dodd to be an idiot. However, if these things happen I don't think a lot of programs will survive. Most schools are in the red already.

With the NCAA backed into a corner, the age of paying college athletes is officially upon us

Deregulation of the NCAA and the empowerment of college athletes has created a long-awaited opportunity

www.cbssports.com

Programs will be fine. They’ll simply have to adjust how they manage their finances and be more disciplined about it.

The fact that many athletics departments are “in the red” from an accounting perspective is not really relevant, and the Division 2 and Division 3 schools prove that. On average, each Division 1 school sponsors 19 sports. Each Division 2 and 3 school sponsors 16 and 19 sports, respectively, despite lacking the revenue support that Division 1 schools receive.

If D2 and D3 schools can manage, then D1 schools will be able to manage. It may simply require things like not allowing Nick Saban to hire a ridiculous amount of “analysts”, or paying to carpet bomb recruits with a million letters, or spending millions every 10 years for a glitzy new training facility.

There may be a bit of a painful transition period as they cut the fat from expenses, but they can manage that.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Not for me. I know what it will do but im worried about the legality of not paying students while coaches make $2million per year. If we want to go back to not paying players then cap coaches pay too.

Pay them from what?

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

Not for me. I know what it will do but im worried about the legality of not paying students while coaches make $2million per year. If we want to go back to not paying players then cap coaches pay too.

I really don’t see what one has to do with the other. Coaches are employees. Athletes are students who voluntarily decide to play sports while attending school. I don’t see what happens to one affects what happens to the other.