Lakes Less Intrigued by Fox
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Also still only 19 years old his body will start to mature over the next few years.There is a reason Magic has said he is the only untradeable player on the team
Fox's ceiling >>>>> Russell's ceiling.
Fox is also two years younger.
And Russell is also decent trade bait.
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A guy like Brandon Ingram being untradable is why the Lakers are in the shape they're in now. That's piss poor management, what do they think his ceiling is?
The Lakers need to trade nothing. If they are moving the pick, it should be to move to Sacramento's 5 and 10.
The Lakers unlike the Cavaliers, can attract ANY top free agent. It is LA not Cleveland. P. George and R. Westbrook as the backcourt would instantly make them a contender. And getting both is very realistic, both have option after next season.
Disagree, Durant just turned down the Lakers where he would have been the leader. Mosgov & Deng are part of the NBA, and the Lakers had to overpay to get them.
The 2 picks from Sacramento would be terrific, but no one with 2 top 10 picks would ever do that deal, would they?
Now, if the Kings had the CHI Bears GM, yes, it would probably happen.
1) The Lakers had nothing to offer Durant other than $. 2) Durant had no connection to LA.
Westbrook and George are California natives. When you talk to them the topic will about them coming together to form perhaps the best backcourt (only rivaled by Curry and Thompson).
The Lakers did not overpay to get Mozgov, that was his rate after the championship series where he played very good. He projected to be on the incline, but didn't.
The Lakers signed Mozgov almost immediately when free agency started. You won't find many takers for the idea that his contract was appropriate.
Now if you tell me they had to pay that much or he would have gone elsewhere, I'll buy that.
Fox's ceiling might be higher, based on his athleticism.
But we already know that Russell can shoot 35%+ from three. So Fox has a lower floor.
Lakers can attract anyone?
Like KD, Lebron, Lemarcus Alridge, Ray Allen, Chris Bosh, Carmelo, Dwayne Wade, Kevin Love...
Dudes can make a lot of money anywhere these days which is why some are taking "pay cuts" and looking for title contenders. "Pay cuts" today are still more than what most top ballers made in years past.
Lakers used to be the town where you could have fun and also one of the few teams that could pay up. Now, all sorts of cities are built up with plenty to do and can afford to cut checks. Guys sitting on the bench in Minnesota and Cleveland are making enough to buy summer homes in LA.
Now top free agents aren't looking solely for the fattest check and best night life. Dudes are looking for bomb squads to join so they can get to a ship.
You left out Nash.
So, the core of the 2012-13 team that were title favorites heading into the season - all gone for no return.
You also can't ignore the instant star power of Ball.
Lakers are under pressure as an organization to put a product on the court that is worthy of their TV contract.
Even if Fox is better, he's not a bigger star than Ball is today, and it helps that Ball is already a star in that market.
Your post sounds reasonable, but it also sounds like the propaganda that is being spit out by the management of teams in those smaller markets.
All else being equal, young, wealthy professional athletes still prefer LA, Miami, Phoenix, Dallas/Houston, New York, over cities like Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Cleveland, etc.
It's fun for teams to kick the Lakers while they are down with statements like, "actually playing in LA is not important, you can always vacation there."
But those thoughts will be a distant memory if/when the Lakers start winning again and free agents are flocking to join a winner in LA.
I get the positional needs and what not, but if you pass on Fox, you're basically passing up on adding John Wall to your team imo. He will be able to get to the rim at will and his shot looked good when he shot at Kentucky. It's not like he has bad form, he just shot very few 3's and he was an excellent long range shooter in high school. Anyway he is the best player in this draft, mark me down for that.
The Lakers have failed to land an All-Star caliber player in their 3 cracks from the top 10 imo. Randle isn't, Russell isn't, and Ingram might be, but he barely showed signs of life last year.
The Lakers have failed to land an All-Star caliber player in their 3 cracks from the top 10 imo. Randle isn't, Russell isn't, and Ingram might be, but he barely showed signs of life last year.
Maybe just me but would be looking at teams in Florida, Tenn,or Texas to avoid that 10% or better state income tax.With the type of money theses guys are commanding that is at least eight million more in your pocket over the life of your contract
I've been an NBA fan for 30 years and Shaq is the only elite player that I can remember who went to LA as a free agent. Jerry West and Dr Buss are gone and these new clowns don't know what they're doing. They spend their offseasons overpaying the Mozgofs of the world, then wondering why theyre cap strapped and lost 50+ games. What superstar is going to risk their valuable prime years in an organization so inept that they think flippin' Brandon Ingram is untradable?
Funny years later after Strearn vetoed Chris Paul to LA with what the Warriors have done with stacking the team. That certainly would have changed the fate of LA what a shitshow that was.
That is exactly it. He was signed at market value. Cleveland wanted to resign him, but knew he was going to command more than they wanted to spend. Washington was in the discussion.
He had enough suitors to drive his value up. I thought it was way too much, but when you have a good series, GMs project you will continue the rise.
The Lakers are always a draw. They have a terrible team and still get mentioned as a destination for the best players.
Players want to play with others that have a chance to win, makes sense. As good as Kobe was, no one wanted to play with him and the Lakers knew it. Now that he is gone, they will be in the hunt again.
Most have very good accountants now. And they hide so much money in charities. Besides that is not how the NBA works.
You pay taxes of the site in which you play. You may be a member of the Dallas Mavericks, but when you play the New York Knicks, you play New York state taxes on the money earned during the game. So you pay state taxes in 20 different states during the year.
I disagree that he signed at market value. The Lakers set the market by overpaying him immediately at the start of free agency.
Maybe someone else would have paid as much as the Lakers did, but I doubt it. And we will never know.
I'd pay a dollar and a quarter to see that. I can only hope Magic hasn't changed from back in the day...
Two things: The Lakers previous leadership's ineptitude (mediocre draft picks, the botched trade for Chris Paul, the Dwight Howard debacle and the Steve Nash deal all contributed to the terrible situation they find themselves in. Contrast that with the Spurs who have drafted well, got Lamarcus Aldridge and Pau Gasol via free agency, and hit the jackpot in the trade with the Pacers for Kawhi Leonard. Wow!
Don't think it's fair to pin the Paul trade on Laker management, and recent drafting has been ok, but the rest is accurate.
Correct. The "botched" CP3 trade was the result of Dan Gilbert whining because the Lakers would have gotten Paul and gotten themselves out of paying the luxury tax.
How ironic is it now that the Cavs now have the highest payroll in NBA history and will be paying the luxury tax and repeater tax for years lol?
but there are 42 games in your home state where you pay no state taxes.California tax rate is 11% which still represents a million per year in your pocket
That is great, and a teammate you want to have, but is that someone you use the #2 pick on? A top 2 should be a potential game changer. May not always work out, as we've seen, but you want someone who at least has the potential to be more than the set up guy.
That still means half your games are at your home state for tax purposes. It is still a very relevant number of dollars. If you go with Florida that puts you with another Florida team in your division so a few extra road games as well.
It wouldn't be a primary driver of making a choice of course but if money is one then you have to throw that into your calculations.
Karl Malone
Gary Payton
Ron Artest
Those are just a few who gladly signed with LA when they were good.
Others coerced trades to the Lakers (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Kobe Bryant, Glen Rice)
Others gladly stuck around for years after being acquired by the Lakers via trade (Pau Gasol, Robert Horry, Mychal Thompson)
The point is that LA continues to be an attractive destination. They were bad and had cap issues for a few years, so players went elsewhere.
A better young team + cap room makes them more attractive than they were 2-3 years ago.
Pretty straightforward.
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When I first heard the Lakers were thinking about drafting Fox at draft pick number 2, I can't lie and say I thought Fox would go as high in the draft. I know the kid has as much upside as any player in the draft, but while watching the kid play during the season, I didn't see Fox being the second pick of the NBA draft good. I figured Fox would go top 10, but I also could be wrong about the kid's talent level. If Fox starts knocking down open jumpers, we're talking about one of the top point guards in the league. It might just be worth such a high draft pick with a kid as fast and long like Fox. I hope the kid goes as the top pick.
