KY failed to adjust to officiating...

[kybassfan]

I'm pretty far from important and I am quite confident that I never said I was. The NCAA and conferences definitely get a cut from televised broadcasts just the same as ticket sales from games. Before you say it I never said officials cost us the game but our defense, inability to hit shots, and lack of physicality did among other things. The lack of consistency and accountability is destroying the game.

Well, let me put it this way. Your ticket entitles you to a seat. Doesn't say flip about a ref. Your subscription entitles you to watch. Doesn't say flip about a ref. So your entitlement to any explanation other than the infraction is a figment of your own mind. You are a fan. You are entitled to warm the seat, watch the game and buy popcorn. Direct a tirade at a ref and repeatedly get his attention. Throw something on the floor. What happens next will be an illustration of how weak that entitlement is. If you think it's more, then you think you are more important than the rest of us.

And I'm sorry, but your last sentence is utterly laughable. I guess the first time I heard a similar utterance would have been in the 60's. Refs have been destroying the game for decades according to fans.

Heck, it'd be most unexpected that an occasional official didn't make a call that affects a game. That call has a certain probability to be wrong mostly because of the DNA afforded the guy with the whistle. So what? Part of the game. Some times the rim wobbles. Stuff happens. What's the point in whining? Cry a river. Write your congressman. Fast in protest. The game will not be destroyed. Your team will win or lose. You, me, all us fans have no impact on it, nor should we.

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

Kind of pompous aren't ya? Without us the fans buying the tickets or watching the game they don't make much revenue. In fact the popcorn you mentioned would be useless without us there. I have stated before you should never play the game close enough to where one call makes a difference. I guess if you had acknowledged that it would have messed up your argument against me. Also by your logic coaches and players don't need to do any post game press conference?

 

[kybassfan]

Kind of pompous aren't ya? Without us the fans buying the tickets or watching the game they don't make much revenue. In fact the popcorn you mentioned would be useless without us there. I have stated before you should never play the game close enough to where one call makes a difference. I guess if you had acknowledged that it would have messed up your argument against me. Also by your logic coaches and players don't need to do any post game press conference?

Yeah, I guess your next game you attend, you could get some popcorn and demand to see a ref cause you are entitled. Somehow I don't think they are gonna buy that anymore than I do. I went from angry to pompous. That's better.

I frankly don't see what the score has to do with anything I've said, Refs are gonna do what they are gonna do. If you are weeping over a game you thought you should have won, have a hanky. Refs are part of the game.

You last sentence was utter nonsense, again. What do coach and player interviews have to do with anything. Those interviews are done as a matter of contract. The game officials are not bound by similar contract nor are they likely to agree with such. I mean what's the point? You think throwing eggs at them will make them improve?

Hey cheer up. You could boycott the games till the refs give tv interviews. Hold up a sign in front of the arena and say "go home for better refs". Refuse to buy stuff advertised on the game till the refs submit to your will. Won't work but the rest of us would enjoy laughing at the absurdity of your foolishness.

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

Must be hard going around everyday looking for a fight on this board. I know exactly the officials are part of the game. I simply stated that due to the mistakes they make you don't play the game close enough that it can affect it. That right there is acknowledging they are part of the game. When I asked about a player and coach press conferences you don't at all think it's unfair to them that they have to endure questions about particular plays or coaches decisions while the officials get to go home? Also I know they are bound by contracts but I guess you thought I was still a moron and didn't know.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

Anyone else think its time to stop blocking shots and just body up on teams? No more going for blocks unless you are weak side help. Every time a player tries to block the shot of his man, its either a foul or a pump fake and an easy basket.

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

Multiple times Saturday alone did we try to block shots only to leave a man alone for a easy put back.

 

[kybassfan]

Must be hard going around everyday looking for a fight on this board. I know exactly the officials are part of the game. I simply stated that due to the mistakes they make you don't play the game close enough that it can affect it. That right there is acknowledging they are part of the game. When I asked about a player and coach press conferences you don't at all think it's unfair to them that they have to endure questions about particular plays or coaches decisions while the officials get to go home? Also I know they are bound by contracts but I guess you thought I was still a moron and didn't know.

I'm just taking your word on the moron thing. I think if you go back and actually read the thread, you'll,find you owe me an apology. You'll also uncover the reason I said you must be important. I got a good chuckle out of that. I'll let you find it so you can feed your self inflicted indignation.

No, I don't think that's unfair at all. I don't care to hear from the other game officials either. The time keeper, scorer, guys with the mops are all workers at the meet. I understand what you want. You want an opportunity to disparage the refs when, in your opinion, they affected a game, close or otherwise. Guess you'll have to find someone else to throw eggs at.

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

I do not think for a second I am above anyone. I am not more important than you or the guy above you. Nobody owes me anything nor do I owe them. I'm unclear why you keeping throwing that jab into the discussion. It's like the only point you seem to want to make sure you get across. You do realize when I mention accountability for officials that if they were to do a post game deal they would be complimented on jobs well done and not to disparage them. I'm not apologizing for trying to have a civil conversation which must be a hard concept for you to grasp.

 

[kybassfan]

I do not think for a second I am above anyone. I am not more important than you or the guy above you. Nobody owes me anything nor do I owe them. I'm unclear why you keeping throwing that jab into the discussion. It's like the only point you seem to want to make sure you get across. You do realize when I mention accountability for officials that if they were to do a post game deal they would be complimented on jobs well done and not to disparage them. I'm not apologizing for trying to have a civil conversation which must be a hard concept for you to grasp.

Now you are just making crap up. Contradicting your own statements. Your next to the last sentence is either naive or a lie or both.

Let's embarrass you a bit. The statement I made "any moron knows" includes all of us, from the slowest to the smartest as being in on a particular fact. But YOU are so important that you thought it could ONLY be meant for you. In essence you fabricated that whole thing.

And what sort of MORON do you take us all to be in that silly statement that the refs would be complemented. Do you think ANYBODY here is that stupid? That comment even contradicts you post about having officials "endure" post game interviews same as players and coaches. Do you endure complements?

Maybe you are what you accused yourself of being. I enjoy civil conversation. I find debate with someone that babbles to be tiring. This is getting tiring.

 

[wldktz8]

BS, we lost because WE sucked. I thought the refs did a great job. Like I said, we were in the bonus WAYYY before OSU was in both halves. This was not on the refs. We sucked.

You mean when Poythress was getting thrown around on those "blocks"? A simple block doesn't throw Poythress off. There has to be major body contact somewhere.

 

[wldktz8]

I liked it too except for the fact that I felt we got hacked a lot and knocked around. If we were doing the hacking and knocking, it would have been a GREAT game!

One other point to make is this: Why did the officiating change so dramatically from the way it was being called early in the season? I thought they were going to call it close?

If we would have hacked we would have had 3 players fouled out and no chance to win towards the end.

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

Speaking of embarrassment you spelled compliment wrong twice. Just an FYI. I don't think any player or coach enjoy the press conference (good or bad) but they have to do it. Why should they be the only ones? Let's be fair good or bad is all I'm saying.

 

[kybassfan]

Speaking of embarrassment you spelled compliment wrong twice. Just an FYI. I don't think any player or coach enjoy the press conference (good or bad) but they have to do it. Why should they be the only ones? Let's be fair good or bad is all I'm saying.

Yeah, that's not surprising. I don't waste a lot of time on posts where I'm responding to someone just spewing the first crap that enters their mind.

So tell me. Why should I waste time with you any longer over some stupid idea like referee press conferences?

It will never happen. There is no reason for it. The refs will never agree to it. The NCAA would never allow it. The networks would likely not accept liability for it.

I guess the refs will just destroy basketball. ROFL!!!!

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

Refs will never have to answer to anyone but the league conferences and the NCAA. They officiate how they are told to.

 

[EdNygma]

the only truly blown call, IMO, was the intentional on Ulis (ok, flagrant 1, whatever)
Yes, OSU pushed off quite a bit - but for the most part we got a good whistle. I can count a few times we got away with stuff, too
We lost because we didn't decide to play until it was too late - and we allowed them momentum and confidence.
Period, end of story

Ulis got that call because he trailed behind and extended both arms around the OSU players waist from behind in an effort to stop him. While there was definitely nothing malicious on the part of Tyler it was an intentional movement and the rule states that is an automatic intentional foul/technical.

 

[Katwatcher]

Speaking of embarrassment you spelled compliment wrong twice. Just an FYI. I don't think any player or coach enjoy the press conference (good or bad) but they have to do it. Why should they be the only ones? Let's be fair good or bad is all I'm saying.

i think it depends on what kind of game you had whether you enjoy the press conference. Its hard to talk about the game right after you get beat by a team you should have beat, maybe a controversial call. The winning coach or player is bubbling all over to tell everyone that just watched the game how happy he is.

I don't think having the refs attend the press conference would be good. They have enough enemies even before the game starts to prolong the press conference for hours.

if you have the refs , where would it end, score keeper, clock operator, public announcer, replay official?

I feel the same way about the halftime interviews with the coaches by those good looking gals. In the meantime the coach can't wait to get to locker room to instruct the players.

I just don't think its a good idea to start analyzing the game minutes after its over telling you what happened in the game you just watched.
But that is just me.

One other note, we could start keeping tabs on how many calls were missed in the next game . Could be some interesting comments

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

It's just an idea of accountability. You could also add another official if the game is just to fast for three. Possibly inject the idea of one coaches challenge type play. They would need to determine what they could challenge. Common fouls probably not but maybe the block charge call. It needs to go back where it's about athleticism and not how much you beat, grab, and hold. It defeats the purpos e of the game. I'm just trying think of ways they could improve the game. Is any of this likely, doubt it. I mean you were persistent in trying to belittle me. I'll give you credit for that.

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

Katwatcher valid points. Hope I didn't offend you or anything with my comments. Just trying to think ways to improve the game.

 

[kybassfan]

It's just an idea of accountability. You could also add another official if the game is just to fast for three. Possibly inject the idea of one coaches challenge type play. They would need to determine what they could challenge. Common fouls probably not but maybe the block charge call. It needs to go back where it's about athleticism and not how much you beat, grab, and hold. It defeats the purpos e of the game. I'm just trying think of ways they could improve the game. Is any of this likely, doubt it. I mean you were persistent in trying to belittle me. I'll give you credit for that.

Naw, you are exposed on that. You just want the public spectacle of belittling the refs. That not fixing anything. You belittled yourself, starting when you called yourself a moron to deflect attention away from a pathetic argument.

Turn the whole thing over to a third party. Let them police themselves. Put that under contract to the NCAA. Get the fans as far away as possible from the officials. Fans are the single most biased group in all of competition. They are FANS after all.

You would have the judge face review by the the family of the convicted. I wonder how impartial the family would be?

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

You do realize that when I mean said press conferences it would be set up just like player and coaches. No fans would be in there asking questions just media. If they don't have questions and called a good game with minimal mistakes it would be short and sweet. The opposite would be like the WKU game when the officials let six players on the court at once. Let me guess letting six players on the court at once is probably just fine in your book. Again it's ideas on how to make the overall game better for all parties involved. The coaches and players can't even mention them without repercussions. I mean you are just seriously looking for some type of fight.

 

[kybassfan]

You do realize that when I mean said press conferences it would be set up just like player and coaches. No fans would be in there asking questions just media. If they don't have questions and called a good game with minimal mistakes it would be short and sweet. The opposite would be like the WKU game when the officials let six players on the court at once. Let me guess letting six players on the court at once is probably just fine in your book. Again it's ideas on how to make the overall game better for all parties involved. The coaches and players can't even mention them without repercussions. I mean you are just seriously looking for some type of fight.

You mean the same media that folks accuse of favoring Duke, the disgusting cheating scumbags of North Carolina and the ones that will stop at nothing to generate fan hits? That media? Again, let the family of the convicted judge the judge. Very very dumb idea.

Just to show how low you will stoop in your zeal to bash refs, I never said anything about six players on the floor did I. I said let a third party supply and administer the refs over contract to the NCAA. But you distorted the truth. Again.

Looking for a fight? No I'm just commenting on some really silly proposals by a fan that wants to gut a ref because they are a human being. Just another example of you distorting the facts, again.

I think though you have done a wonderful job of demonstrating why fans should never have any possible role in officiating. They distort the truth, again and again.

 

[kybassfan]

Refs will never have to answer to anyone but the league conferences and the NCAA. They officiate how they are told to.

Sanity!

 

[CatsIndy2010]

I think there were several calls that could've gone the other way but for whatever reason.....ohio state got the calls on those plays. Poythress late in the game was standing still and instead of getting a charge called, they say he was blocking the path of the ohio state player. I dont get that......We really needed that call.

 

[kybassfan]

I think there were several calls that could've gone the other way but for whatever reason.....ohio state got the calls on those plays. Poythress late in the game was standing still and instead of getting a charge called, they say he was blocking the path of the ohio state player. I dont get that......We really needed that call.

You bring up a good point, though indirectly. Some of the rules in basketball are very subjective and lead to inconsistent officiating. The offensive foul is a good example of this. You give an official a bad role to enforce, you will get bad enforcement.

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

I have said they do good jobs. There plenty of good officials. I was simply bringing up the six players on the court as am item of discussion. I don't know why you have determined I think they are the spawn of Satan but I don't. Get off this notion I'm just head hunting officials.

 

[kybassfan]

I have said they do good jobs. There plenty of good officials. I was simply bringing up the six players on the court as am item of discussion. I don't know why you have determined I think they are the spawn of Satan but I don't. Get off this notion I'm just head hunting officials.

Spawn of Satan? When did I use that phrase? Never? You distorted the truth. Again.

You are babbling endlessly now. You've failed to present anything but falsehoods for last several posts. I see no indication you have anything of merit to add to our discussion. Run along now.

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

By your statements you indicate that I believe officials are bad people which I never said. I didn't distort the truth. You have said many times I am basically just head hunting officials which was never the case. I am very sorry you feel as I am picking on them. If I give them credit that doesn't seem to appease you either. So I am not really sure what would make you happy other than just trying to cause a turmoil. Furthermore I am not going anywhere so telling me to run along was pointless.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

This thread is getting better and better with each post. Keep it up guys

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

This thread is getting better and better with each post. Keep it up guys

Hey if I can provide some decent entertainment glad I could. I hope you at least had a decent cold adult beverage to enjoy. Now if we can beat UL all will be well. Lol

 

[crestcat]

There is no accountability for refs. If they get suspended by the SEC they just fill their schedule with ACC or other conference games. One of the geniuses that was calling the WKU game with 6 men on the floor was calling games in the NCAA tournament that year.

The reason we have to put up with the same bunch of refs is that there just isn't enough. If you think these guys are bad (and I am one that thinks they are) just think what they would be replaced with.

Before you tell me to become a ref, I am 73 with heart disease and COPD

 

[kyjeff1]

You mean when Poythress was getting thrown around on those "blocks"? A simple block doesn't throw Poythress off. There has to be major body contact somewhere.

If it was the other way around we would've pissed if they called a foul. I thought they were good blocks. Just because Poythress ended up on the hardwood doesn't mean it was a foul, those were some big boys OSU had in the paint. Poythress might be a hoss but he was nowhere near the biggest dude on the court. I was actually surprised at how big and beefy OSU's bigs were.

 

[MOX_MOX]

Your a great uk fan Bass, you have defended cal against trolls very well.

BUT are you a ref? Because you have displayed professional arrogance in this thread imo. Refereeing is not rocket science, they shouldn't be above criticism. They could show up at a press conference an explain to us simpletons how in the dark we are about the rigors and complexities of their noble sacrifice.

Your dramatic assertions of wanting to head hunt officials are incorrect. Just want to ensure the integrity of the game I love.

I like the press conference idea, but how about a coach has 10 exclude a ref cards to play each year. Press conference and this might even remove the need for coaches to yell at refs. Give them some peace, so the untouchable lambs can do their extraneous jobs and maybe not miss a clear shot clock violation after some how being aware enough to call three straight such violations on the other team just previously!!!!!!!!!!

Kybass, you are correct that every team's fans in the country gripe about the refs, except for one, it's human nature to only see the calls that hurt your team and pay no attention to the breaks your guys got. It's like politics, were people in both parties think the media is against them. People see what they want to see.

That does not mean however that there is not instances of someone being biased and unfair.

You think a ref would not be biased against kentucky. I firmly believe the ncaa and this ayers guy do not like us. Agree to disagree, but humor me. I think the press conference idea would be a deterrent to a ref thinking they could get away with cheating players and coaches because of their own misguided views. Humor us "conspiracy theory nuts" with some accountability for ayers.

This ayers guy. The games are all on Blue millions site. Flat out magic trick calls. Awful record in the games he's reffed since cal got here, the technicals on cal are higher than the losses. His behavior towards cal when cal tried to be friendly towards him.

I wish I could blame osu fiasco on ayers, but like I said that first half laziness! But the point is, I didn't even want to put myself through the game after seeing him announced.

Seeing those ayers games and then hearing Stephen A smith, I'm not aware of him being a kentucky fan, saying before the tournament that the ncaa's heads were blowing up about kentucky and they wanted duke and k to be the face of the ncaa, not us. I thought only uk fans said stuff like that? You blame fans for wondering?

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

Your a great uk fan Bass, you have defended cal against trolls very well.

BUT are you a ref? Because you have displayed professional arrogance in this thread imo. Refereeing is not rocket science, they shouldn't be above criticism. Show up at a press conference an explain to us simpletons how in the dark we are about the rigors and complexities of their noble sacrifice.

Your dramatic assertions of wanting to head hunt officials are incorrect. Just want to ensure the integrity of the game I love.

I like the press conference idea, but how about a coach has 10 exclude a ref cards to play each year. Press conference and this might even remove the need for coach's to yell at refs. Give them some peace so the untouchable lambs can do their extraneous jobs and maybe not miss a clear shot clock violation after some how being aware enough to call three straight such violations on the other team just previously!!!!!!!!!!

Kybass, you are correct that every team's fans in the country gripe about the refs, except for one, it's human nature to only see the calls that hurt your team and pay no attention to the breaks your guys got. It's like politics, were people in both parties think the media is against them. People see what they want to see.

That does not mean however that there is not instances of someone being biased and unfair.

You think a ref would not be biased against kentucky. I firmly believe the ncaa and this ayers guy do not like us. Agree to disagree, but humor me. I think the press conference idea would be a deterrent to a ref thinking they could get away with cheating players and coaches because of their own misguided views. Humor us "conspiracy theory nuts" with some accountability for ayers.

This ayers guy. The games are all on Blue millions site. Flat out magic trick calls. Awful record in the games he's reffed since cal got here, the technicals on cal are higher than the losses. His behavior towards cal when cal tried to be friendly towards him.

I wish I could blame osu fiasco on ayers, but like I said that first half laziness! But the point is, I didn't even want to put myself through the game after seeing him announced.

Seeing those ayers games and then hearing Stephen A smith, I'm not aware of him being a kentucky fan, saying before the tournament that the ncaa's heads were blowing up about kentucky and they wanted duke and k to be the face of the ncaa, not us. I thought only uk fans said stuff like that? You blame fans for wondering?

Prepare yourself to be labeled as a person that is only out to disparage all officials. I'll be honest sometimes Doug Shows still has head scratching moments but I feel like he's been better as of late.

 

[Chuckinden]

I definitely believe there are, at least, 2-3 refs that don't like Cal. Shows may be one. If I was a college ref, I probably wouldn't like him either. Hell, I'm a UK fan of 50 yrs and don't like him too much.

 

[kybassfan]

Your a great uk fan Bass, you have defended cal against trolls very well.

BUT are you a ref? Because you have displayed professional arrogance in this thread imo. Refereeing is not rocket science, they shouldn't be above criticism. They could show up at a press conference an explain to us simpletons how in the dark we are about the rigors and complexities of their noble sacrifice.

Your dramatic assertions of wanting to head hunt officials are incorrect. Just want to ensure the integrity of the game I love.

I like the press conference idea, but how about a coach has 10 exclude a ref cards to play each year. Press conference and this might even remove the need for coaches to yell at refs. Give them some peace, so the untouchable lambs can do their extraneous jobs and maybe not miss a clear shot clock violation after some how being aware enough to call three straight such violations on the other team just previously!!!!!!!!!!

Kybass, you are correct that every team's fans in the country gripe about the refs, except for one, it's human nature to only see the calls that hurt your team and pay no attention to the breaks your guys got. It's like politics, were people in both parties think the media is against them. People see what they want to see.

That does not mean however that there is not instances of someone being biased and unfair.

You think a ref would not be biased against kentucky. I firmly believe the ncaa and this ayers guy do not like us. Agree to disagree, but humor me. I think the press conference idea would be a deterrent to a ref thinking they could get away with cheating players and coaches because of their own misguided views. Humor us "conspiracy theory nuts" with some accountability for ayers.

This ayers guy. The games are all on Blue millions site. Flat out magic trick calls. Awful record in the games he's reffed since cal got here, the technicals on cal are higher than the losses. His behavior towards cal when cal tried to be friendly towards him.

I wish I could blame osu fiasco on ayers, but like I said that first half laziness! But the point is, I didn't even want to put myself through the game after seeing him announced.

Seeing those ayers games and then hearing Stephen A smith, I'm not aware of him being a kentucky fan, saying before the tournament that the ncaa's heads were blowing up about kentucky and they wanted duke and k to be the face of the ncaa, not us. I thought only uk fans said stuff like that? You blame fans for wondering?

Naw, I explained why I have the opinion I do regarding refs. I also do not subscribe to conspiracy theories. Refs are human. Refs blow calls. Some of them hurt. Fact of life. End of story.

I have a very low tolerance for half baked ideas. Public roasting of officials is not a solution, it is revenge. You want to improve the situation, you bring standardization and professionalism.

I'm really not the guy you go to if you are looking for sympathy with a conspiracy. We are Kentucky. We don't need a bunch of damned excuses.

 

[Icecoldbrewdoggy]

Cats had many rebounds that they ultimately lost, and were recovered by OSU for easy baskets...Several times CATS had the ball only to be hacked/stripped by OSU.. KY never responded with the same kind of the physicality. KY usually tries to play FOUL free..and that cost them today.

I hated losing this game, but Ohio State hit everything they threw up as teams tend to do against us, and they got all kinds of bounces as wel couldn't make a shot most of the game. I still say we have the horses to be extremly hard to beat in March and that is absolutely all that matters to me.

 

[MOX_MOX]

"I definitely believe there are, at least, 2-3 refs that don't like Cal. Shows may be one. If I was a college ref, I probably wouldn't like him either. Hell, I'm a UK fan of 50 yrs and don't like him too much."

do you want tubby back so you can feel good about yourself defending crap and thinking your some kind of hero.

I want titles, cal keeps uk in contention every year. Start naming names and replacements if you will instead of griping and driving this coach away from us.

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

Kybass revenge and accountability are two different things. Maybe you could look up the differences. I believe you have them confused. It is the Christmas season though so as you wish kind sir.

 

[kybassfan]

Kybass revenge and accountability are two different things. Maybe you could look up the differences. I believe you have them confused. It is the Christmas season though so as you wish kind sir.

If you've read anything I've ever posted, you know vocabulary is not an issue for me. I think you can't read. Come back with a legit position and we can discuss it. I've grown tired of your babbling and misstatements.

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

You've told me repeatedly that today accountability is seeking revenge. Seems you are confused not me. Don't get upset though I'm sure it's an honest mistake.