Yes I do. Too bad that you don't cheer for a program that 40-0 is a possibility.
Are you a South Carolina or a SMU fan? Because those team are about the only teams that could possibility go 40-0 this year.
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Are you a South Carolina or a SMU fan? Because those team are about the only teams that could possibility go 40-0 this year.
Whatever floats your boat chokehawk guy. And not for nothing but you bringing up NCAA sanctions is rich. We have been squeaky clean since 1989. You?
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The only program that blankets every title they have (not many) with probation. Kansas is actually the dirtiest program in the NCAA's history more than likely. It's between them and UCLA.
I'm curious.
We own Kansas something like 30-6. We've got 8 championships and Kansas has 3.
So seriously, joking aside, I've never even bothered to ask.
What do Kansas fans believe is the reason for all the history but lack of winning? Given how rich your tradition is, shouldn't you boast better overalls? when Kansas fans are bitching about their own program to each other, what are the reasons for this?
UK
UCLA
Indiana
Duke
UNC
.........
Uconn
Louisville
Kansas ******why?
Florida
Cincinatti
San Francisco
I've never heard one of you actually tackle this honestly. So what's gone wrong? All those years, all those coaches, all of those all Americans and you're tied with Louisville??
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I was responding to a previous post, which was quoted, if you would care to read the entire thing. BTW, are you so irritating that nobody else on your home team's website will play with you?
what I am saying is....they havent played a defense is good as ours, at least in my opinion. Are they gonna be playing themselves or something? What does it matter what their defense is ranked? Also, they havent played near the schedule we have.
This is our 2nd worst team in Cal's 8 years, and possibly their best, so at Lawrence, they may have a shot. They better take it now, because it may be their last, for a while.
We don't have a history of winning do we?
We are 2nd all-time winningest college program only behind Kentucky by like 14? games.
We have 14 final four appearances (Kentucky has 17) and have played in 9/14 title games (Kentucky 12/17).
We have 58 Conference Championships (Kentucky has 48) and have also captured 26 Conference Tournament Championships (Kentucky has 29).
I thought you only cared about the "modern era"?
Whippersnapper. When I was in school, it was a saying. Someone brags about something and the response was "do you want a Dewey button". I'm guessing it referred to when Dewey was reported in the paper as having beaten Truman when in reality he didn't.
So to summarize this data, Cal and K have both had an average of 6 five stars per roster since Cal has been at UK.
They have also been the two most successful coaches on the court, with nobody else even close.
Meanwhile, Self has had an average of around 5 five stars per roster since Cal has been at UK.
His results have been about 9th best in the country, even though he's had the third most talent behind those other two.
And to boot, as you mention, Cal is positively churning out future stars from his collection of burger boys, while Kansas has produced one in that time.
Being objective and using even a shred of logic means you want to talk about development and win %? Uh, you don't want to talk about either of those things with Self versus Cal.
And look, I think Self is a fine coach. And I do not believe that he ruins talent. Sometimes you get kids that just bust for one reason or another, and Self has gotten more than his share lately. I'm not saying college coaches have 0% to do with it, but for 1 or 2 year players, I don't think Self should be blasted (nor Cal praised) for what happens to any great degree.
But don't come in here and use the word "logic" and expect to be taken seriously when you can't do something as simple as account for the output of a system.
And when you invoke Wooden, beyond the inanity of comparing the game in 2015 to a run that started 50 years ago with infinitely less parity, you make it sound as if Cal is in another universe from Self when, again, you guys have a burger boy coming off the bench half the time. If you focus on the absolute number of blue chippers coming in as opposed to average number per roster, you're either statistically ignorant or being willfully deceptive, and neither will get a great reception here.
Cal is averaging somewhere around 1 more five star per roster than Self, and their results are not comparable. At all.
Self is a very good coach. Cal is the best in the game right now, along with K and Rick (the latter based on results relative to his talent).
Save your intellectual dishonesty for another crowd. Nothing wrong with defending your program and coach. They both give you a lot to be proud of, but if you run around the board with brain-damaged Louisville fan arguments like "LOL CAL HAS TWICE AS MUCH TALENT AS KANSAS BECAUSE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF 5 STARS THEY RECRUITED", or anything that involves penalizing Cal because his blue chippers ended up better players 5 years later than Self's five years down the line you're gonna have a bad time.
PS: Cut the crap with the "investing your life" dig. You can't have it both ways. KU fans are always whining that UK fans get the rep as the strongest CBB fanbase - well, if you're gonna do that, then you can't take digs at UK fans for caring too much. That's a stupid cop-out - just lazily reaching for any old arrow in the quiver.
See. You cannot even answer the question I asked. You've played longer than anyone(thus ur position in wins) but you don't have the hardware of a UK or even a modern blue blood like Duke. And its not by a small margin. UK is about to triple you. Duke is about to double you. Kansas has great coaching history and they have tons of great all Americans. I just find it odd and then I look at our record against Kansas and it's kind of mind blowing. Are we just better at it?
Kansas should have produced at a much higher level than just "we're on a few all time list because we started the game 150 years ago."
Just bad luck? Bad timing? Tendency to choke through the be years? What do people in Kansas think are contributing factors? I d never heard one give an honest aswer.
You haven't heard a dishonest one either, I mean what kind of answer are you looking for? Hey can I ask you KU fans an honest question and can you give me an honest answer? Can you tell me why you suck so much? No no really, honestly. What makes you such chokers?
As if you're fooling anyone with that fake genuine tone.
As if you're fooling anyone with that fake genuine tone.
Wow. That's exactly how I'd put it. I'm amazed you were able to offer objectivity on that subject.
Is it really that hard? You aren't where you should be as a program. I was wondering why you thought it was. A little history or something.
Or I could just go on, realizing it's nothing other than, well, others are just better at it. I mean, I don't see how it's a hard question.
Kansas should be at the top, yet, is nowhere near it. I guess you gave me the answer.
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