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Do not worry Cal will figure out a way to lose the % record.
The Commonwealth has a very proud history of round ball. That's why all four schools basically being substandard this season was pathetic.4 KY schools on there is pretty cool.
I’m not a twitter twat who are the other 3 schools
Louisville doesn't exist.4 KY schools on there is pretty cool.
When the number of games varies by that much overall wins is a pretty meaningless metric. Sure we might like to have it to put on our list of UK records and accomplishments but winning percentage is a better overall indicator.I’ve been saying this for years. Does it suck they passed us? Of course. But they’ve played over 100 more games. We also have double their titles. It’s not even close as to who is the king.
Spin it how ever you want. We were the all time wins leader and Cal screwed around and lost it.
I can only speak for me personally, but I’m just looking at it logically. Logic says the team that has a handful more wins than the other while playing over 100 more games does NOT have a statistical advantage. If one is intelligent and looks at everything in its totality, there is no argument. UK is FAR superior.For those saying the most wins doesn't mean anything, I think it's just a way of downplaying a designation we lost. Damn right, it's important to me. And I'm pissed we no longer can say it.
You never hear any media person calling the game saying, "Kentucky, the best winning percentage in history..."
They just say, "The most winning program..."
I want it back!
I agree completely. But I still want the most wins. That's always mentioned by the media.I can only speak for me personally, but I’m just looking at it logically. Logic says the team that has a handful more wins than the other while playing over 100 more games does NOT have a statistical advantage. If one is intelligent and looks at everything in its totality, there is no argument. UK is FAR superior.
Man, you’re totally right, factually, in that stance & I do agree that we’re still the top program ever. But, my problem with that POV is that very few of us (UK fans in general), in my experiences, cared about win % until we lost the wins lead. When we had the lead, the vast majority of the fanbase took great pride in that & I RARELY, if ever, heard anyone refer to us as the win percentage kings. Winningest, to us, has always meant all-time wins. Using win percentage NOW just comes off as copium, IMO. And, that’s not a good look for a gold standard organization, IMO.I’ve been saying this for years. Does it suck they passed us? Of course. But they’ve played over 100 more games. We also have double their titles. It’s not even close as to who is the king.
For those saying the most wins doesn't mean anything, I think it's just a way of downplaying a designation we lost. Damn right, it's important to me. And I'm pissed we no longer can say it.
You never hear any media person calling the game saying, "Kentucky, the best winning percentage in history..."
They just say, "The most winning program..."
I want it back!
I don’t think it’s copium at all. Prior to KU passing us and when the possibility popped up was the first time I looked at the actual numbers aside from oh cool we have most wins. It was only during that time did I realize, while we still had the lead, that KU had lost around 100 more games than UK.Man, you’re totally right, factually, in that stance & I do agree that we’re still the top program ever. But, my problem with that POV is that very few of us (UK fans in general), in my experiences, cared about win % until we lost the wins lead. When we had the lead, the vast majority of the fanbase took great pride in that & I RARELY, if ever, heard anyone refer to us as the win percentage kings. Winningest, to us, has always meant all-time wins. Using win percentage NOW just comes off as copium, IMO. And, that’s not a good look for a gold standard organization, IMO.
It’s copium, IMO, bc the goalposts have been moved since we lost the lead, regardless of why, or, what circumstances caused some to recognize the win % factor. When we consider ourselves the winningest program for decades, by using all time wins as the barometer, only to change the criteria once we fell behind, that is the definition of coping.I don’t think it’s copium at all. Prior to KU passing us and when the possibility popped up was the first time I looked at the actual numbers aside from oh cool we have most wins. It was only during that time did I realize, while we still had the lead, that KU had lost around 100 more games than UK.
At that point, even prior to losing the lead, it was readily apparent that the all times win metric is more for braggadocio than anything since the number of seasons played is so vastly different among programs.
1. Win% is genuinely more meaningful to me in this context. If we played as many games as Kansas we would have a commanding lead in this stat.
2. I will never admit that to anyone outside of a Kentucky sports forum because I know how much of a dork I’ll sound like when I say “sure they have more wins, but let’s talk about win%”.
3. We had a big enough lead over Kansas when Cal took over that this shouldn’t even be a conversation regardless of wins or win% being better.
I desperately want the all time Wins lead back. I have also pointed out for many years that the Win % was the much more impressive stat on Kentucky's part.It’s copium, IMO, bc the goalposts have been moved since we lost the lead, regardless of why, or, what circumstances caused some to recognize the win % factor. When we consider ourselves the winningest program for decades, by using all time wins as the barometer, only to change the criteria once we fell behind, that is the definition of coping.
But that’s JMO. I respect your opinion & I can see why you feel that way. I just disagree. If we were UL, or, any other school that’s not at the top of the food chain I’d be much more inclined to agree. But, it’s a weak look for what is supposed to be the best of the best, IMO. If we weren’t going by win % when we had the lead, we shouldn’t do it now.
Of course, there are exceptions. I know some ppl have had the same outlook as you. But, it’s a very small portion of the fanbase. It could be that I just looked in all the wrong places for the last 20-30 years & was never exposed to it. But, based on what I’ve seen, heard & read, very few ppl were touting our win % as the barometer when we had the lead. But, after KU passed us, it became a much more popular stat.I desperately want the all time Wins lead back. I have also pointed out for many years that the Win % was the much more impressive stat on Kentucky's part.
All-time wins is nice, but it's only something you tout AROUND championship totals. With the state of the program we may as well be leading in NAIA wins. Cal seemed to have a lot of fire on day 1, but since then all I've seen and heard from him is "we're young", "these kids aren't robots", "every opponent is OUR Super Bowl", rinse and repeat. He has zero fire now. I'd wager that this recruiting class is almost ALL on the staff.Spin it how ever you want. We were the all time wins leader and Cal screwed around and lost it.
It would be cooler if U6 wasn’t on it.4 KY schools on there is pretty cool.
I think we can agree they are both very important.Of course, there are exceptions. I know some ppl have had the same outlook as you. But, it’s a very small portion of the fanbase. It could be that I just looked in all the wrong places for the last 20-30 years & was never exposed to it. But, based on what I’ve seen, heard & read, very few ppl were touting our win % as the barometer when we had the lead. But, after KU passed us, it became a much more popular stat.
I feel ya there, man.I agree completely. But I still want the most wins. That's always mentioned by the media.
I totally get where you’re coming from, and I do agree for the most part. However, I’m a stats man. I’ve ALWAYS noticed the percentage differential, the true indicator of dominance, and always took pride in that. To ME it takes a highly uneducated mind to see team A has 10 more wins than team B, but has played in over 100 more games over the last 120+ years so they have to be better. No lol. That’s just not the case. Plus we have double the titles.Man, you’re totally right, factually, in that stance & I do agree that we’re still the top program ever. But, my problem with that POV is that very few of us (UK fans in general), in my experiences, cared about win % until we lost the wins lead. When we had the lead, the vast majority of the fanbase took great pride in that & I RARELY, if ever, heard anyone refer to us as the win percentage kings. Winningest, to us, has always meant all-time wins. Using win percentage NOW just comes off as copium, IMO. And, that’s not a good look for a gold standard organization, IMO.
No one is saying it isn’t important, my man lol. It’s very important. Fact is though, we’re still king based on 5th grade education interpretation of statistics and accomplishment, and that is my point as well as many others.If the all time wins list wasn't important, UK wouldn't have been crowing about being atop it for all these years. It's been in school media guides and game program for years. I think it was even part of the records that rotate on the digital billboard in front of the scorers table at Rupp.
Saying the all time wins lead isn't important is a simple justification for accepting mediocrity. Which is exactly what Calipari has brought to the program.
UNCheat took it for awhile thanks to the ncaa but Pitino quickly returned us to the top. Tubby and Billy G let the lead slip dramatically then Cal restored a comfortable cushion. Shockingly we are now behind and I think it should be of utmost importance to right the ship pronto and regain the lead. I get the frustrations and most of the criticisms of Cal but it gets rather old and unproductive for my taste. I have to think Cal is eyeing retirement within the next few seasons and you got to think any competitor would love to ride off on a high. I accept the reality he is our coach at least next season and constantly running him down is not very helpful.If the all time wins list wasn't important, UK wouldn't have been crowing about being atop it for all these years. It's been in school media guides and game program for years. I think it was even part of the records that rotate on the digital billboard in front of the scorers table at Rupp.
Saying the all time wins lead isn't important is a simple justification for accepting mediocrity. Which is exactly what Calipari has brought to the program.
Another interesting Kentucky sports fact is that three of the top ten most winning high school football teams are from Kentucky, and there are seven in the top thirty (not basketball related, but still).4 KY schools on there is pretty cool.
And, 2 KY high schools are in the top 10 in all-time basketball wins (boys) too, with Ashland at #6 & Paducah Tilghman at #9.Another interesting Kentucky sports fact is that three of the top ten most winning high school football teams are from Kentucky, and there are seven in the top thirty (not basketball related, but still).
You’re not wrong. I’ve always been a stat nerd, too, & have always recognized & appreciated the win %, as well. I also agree, that our history is better & that KU SHOULD have more wins, considering how many more games they’ve played. But, since we had the lead, despite that, & lost it, I think factoring in the game totals NOW is a cop out. We weren’t mentioning that a lot when we were #1.I totally get where you’re coming from, and I do agree for the most part. However, I’m a stats man. I’ve ALWAYS noticed the percentage differential, the true indicator of dominance, and always took pride in that. To ME it takes a highly uneducated mind to see team A has 10 more wins than team B, but has played in over 100 more games over the last 120+ years so they have to be better. No lol. That’s just not the case. Plus we have double the titles.
It stings and it sucks that Cal has failed us, but we are still king. At least for now… Don’t let the media or other uneducated fools tell you otherwise. It’s not copium to think logically or to look beyond a stale statistic without context.
Totally get where you’re coming from, man. Fact is, no matter how you slice it, we’ve dropped off and we’re all frustrated. It’s time to get back to the topYou’re not wrong. I’ve always been a stat nerd, too, & have always recognized & appreciated the win %, as well. I also agree, that our history is better & that KU SHOULD have more wins, considering how many more games they’ve played. But, since we had the lead, despite that, & lost it, I think factoring in the game totals NOW is a cop out. We weren’t mentioning that a lot when we were #1.
My only point is that our fanbase RARELY referenced win % when we held the lead. Some ppl did, sure. But, not a lot. I remember a race to 2K, not .765. The VAST majority of UK fans took great pride in having the most wins & that was the consensus barometer until KU passed us. From then on, a lot of our fans have started saying win % is the true definition of “winningest” & it seems disingenuous to me. It’s moving the goal posts to find a way to justify remaining #1.
The fact that we held a pretty good lead over KU & lost it makes it harder for me to accept win % now, too. But, I’m not saying that you’re disingenuous bc, like I said, I know some ppl have always believed in win % just as much as overall wins. Youre one of my favorites on here & I don’t mean for any of this to sound insulting. But, based on my experiences, it was a very small fraction of the fanbase who cared more about win %. Most pointed to overall wins. I just think it looks bad for the fanbase, as a whole, to change the criteria after we lost the lead when win % was always a footnote, at best, when we had the lead.