Cats #1, sincerely
I was really thinking about the top 5 question, then I saw this post.
Kindly give me your preseason top 5
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I was really thinking about the top 5 question, then I saw this post.
People tend to forget like I said earlier in thread he was a legit top 5 player before injury. So to get technical we have 3 top 10 players(VANDERBILT before injury), Knox, Diallo to go along with another wat 6-7 top 25-30ish type players? Is there another roster in country that can say that? Wasington appearing to be underrated it seems as well.
Just an awful attitude and post
You put a little too much into whether a player is top 5 or not. Sure 5 stars are good, but I don't think there are any Anthony Davis's or John Wall's in this class that are head and shoulders better than guys just a few spots down. I will also say right now that there won't be 5 freshmen better than Knox this year.
I've never seen a poster cry and whine more than you. Give it a rest, man.
No doubt. Dude is a total puss. A puss that's a non-UK fan.
That's only 2 kindlys. He said top 5 kindlysCats #1, sincerely
If you are talking about your preseason top 5 sleaziest programs.... My top 5 would be
1. Louisville - nasty prostitutes trumps all
2. UNCheats - decades of academic fraud, ( AKA the Carolina way )
3. UCONN - school was probably named in honor of Eric C. Conn
4. Kansas - considering the # of times on probation, yet only 3 NCAA championships. They should get more bang for their buck
5. Southern Cal - I don't understand the sudden attraction recruits ( Bol / Bagley ) has for USC. Something fishy
Wichita State will be pretty scary this season. Entire team returns. They were no joke last year as we all know.
1. Michigan St.
2. Arizona
3. KU
4. UK
5. Duke, but if they end up getting Bagley, I move them to number 2.
2. Arizona
3. KU
4. UK
5. Duke, but if they end up getting Bagley, I move them to number 2.
Preseason, I'm not sure UK should be Top 10. But, by as early as even January I think they might work themselves into deserving a Top 5 ranking (although they still might not be given that ranking until later due to some early losses).
Before any games are played, I would probably list the Top 5 as:
1. Arizona
2. KU
3. Michigan St.
4. Louisville
5. Wichita State
Before any games are played, I would probably list the Top 5 as:
1. Arizona
2. KU
3. Michigan St.
4. Louisville
5. Wichita State
1 Arizona
2 Michigan state
3 Kentucky
4 Wichita state
5 Florida
I know some will question the Florida pick, but they brought back there whole team from a elite eight run and they are really well coached in defense..
2 Michigan state
3 Kentucky
4 Wichita state
5 Florida
I know some will question the Florida pick, but they brought back there whole team from a elite eight run and they are really well coached in defense..
With the talent he signed in this class. Kentucky will be as good as any team in the nation by March. Everyone says this team has no super star inside player, but imho I always thought Nick Richards was better than Bamba..
Have no idea what kind of a team we will have. Nobody knows. We could be very good. We could be mediocre. We could be bad, although doubtful. Anyone whining about fans thinking we have a chance to win it all are just trolls IMO
It would be akin to me going to a duke message board and getting butt hurt about their fans having a positive outlook on their season? Makes absolutely no f&$king sense. That's what fans do every preseason.
It would be akin to me going to a duke message board and getting butt hurt about their fans having a positive outlook on their season? Makes absolutely no f&$king sense. That's what fans do every preseason.
I don't see the Michigan State hype. They weren't that good last year.
If Bagley goes to either Duke or Zona they become #1. Its not a question. The loser in the Bagley sweepstakes lands at 2
As for the Cats, I just can't see us cutting down the net. At some point in the tourney you gotta have someone step up in a bind. Usually this is where your older players save the day. We don't have that. Our sophomores are Gabriel, SKJ and Tai. If we have to have one of them to put up a monster game to advance well...
If Bagley goes to either Duke or Zona they become #1. Its not a question. The loser in the Bagley sweepstakes lands at 2
As for the Cats, I just can't see us cutting down the net. At some point in the tourney you gotta have someone step up in a bind. Usually this is where your older players save the day. We don't have that. Our sophomores are Gabriel, SKJ and Tai. If we have to have one of them to put up a monster game to advance well...
No idea why anyone would write off Gabriel being a fantastic sophomore. People are so spoiled by some of the freshmen Cal has brought in, they've forgotten what a normal highly talented freshman looks like.
Same for SKJ, though he wasn't given much of a chance in-game to show promise. Might take him a little longer - but look at WCS freshman to junior. If he leaves before then, he'll have to have played some.
What is it that makes people believe that upperclassmen are essential to a title run?? Because we do realize that Seniors make the same mistakes as Freshmen, only it gets attributed to just having an off game. When a senior makes a play, it's because he's so experienced he knew what to do. When a freshmen makes a play, it's because a senior told him what to do, set the pick, distribution his homework or some other nonsense. Here's a truth for those that believe this, the players who make plays, win, regardless of age. I love how people think we wouldn't have won without D Miller's leadership, even though AD and MKG were clearly the leaders. We didn't win because Miller was a Senior, we won because he was a 6'7" versatile forward who made over 40% of his 3 point attempts.
Arizona
Mich State
Kansas
WSU
UK
Duke
Kentucky has the most potential but they bring back zero impact freshmen or vets and is a team full of freshmen with a big weakness (shooting). They have the most potential but with freshmen you never know, especially this isn't a freshmen class that has a for sure top level freshmen and zero projected lotto picks as far as OAD
Mich State
Kansas
WSU
UK
Duke
Kentucky has the most potential but they bring back zero impact freshmen or vets and is a team full of freshmen with a big weakness (shooting). They have the most potential but with freshmen you never know, especially this isn't a freshmen class that has a for sure top level freshmen and zero projected lotto picks as far as OAD
MSU and Zona both look really good, but MSU has the better coach.
Also, I don't completely trust Zona's PG.
Also, I don't completely trust Zona's PG.
When Cal's teams make mistakes, why does he always talk about them being "freshmen" in post-game interviews, press conferences, etc? He's always saying "well we're really young" etc etc.
Youth means nothing according to you, just so long as the kid is a baller.
Either way, I'm over it. This team has absolutely EVERYTHING it needs to win the title. And if it doesn't, I'm sure it will be the officials fault or bad draw in the bracket. (Granted last season I really thought UK had the best team and got screwed by the officials. But I thought UK was outcoached in 2014 and 2015). Very few are willing to admit that.
Personally I think having that steady upperclassmen player can help when Cal loses his mind in tight games. You know, like when he said he kept "waiting on them to figure it out" after the team USA loss? Yes, that's his philosophy. "Freshmen" will NEVER just "figure it out". Gotta have someone to steady the ship.
YOU ARE ASSCLOWN !! Go back to your Kanasssssss forum !!
You mean have perspective..
Forgive me for not thinking UK will win the title every year. Forgive me for thinking this class isn't as good as a few nut jobs on here think.
Have a little perspective, it'll keep you from going bananas (with the rest on here) after a stunning Dec loss.
No, im a UK fan.
Let me take a guess. You're one of the ones who think an undefeated year is possible this year and we should win the title?
I know this sounds insane to you, but UK will most likely lose a few games and, are you ready for this? UK probably won't win the title. OMG...i must be crazzzzy.
I think people are a bit overrating out freshman as well and I think they're setting themselves up for some letdown early in the season but as Diallo and Knox get big game experience, they very well likely could be the stars you're dismissing. Only time will tell.
That's great that you listen to Cal. Yes freshmen will make more mistakes at the beginning of the year, but we are talking about March/April, not Dec. Yes figuring it out is his philosophy, because as I said it's about making plays. Cal has the right philosophy in that he does the majority of his work before the game is even played. You can think whatever you want, but there wasn't the talent gap that a lot of people think there was between Wisconsin and UK. In fact, I'd argue the 2 best players on the floor were Kaminsky and Dekker. UK probably had 4 of the next 5 best players, but it only takes 5 to play this game. So was Dekker's 3 because he was a Junior, or because he was good enough to make the shot?? Was the missed shot clock violation because Wisconsin had a bunch of upperclassmen on the floor?? Conversely, was Willis and Mulder 0-7 from 3 against UNC because they were nervous seniors, or do you have a different excuse?
Experience is overrated when it comes to the way Cal assembles a team. Experience in general helps guys learn how to cover their deficiencies, which is generally more profitable to lesser talented players. Freshmen make mistakes, miss shots, and fail in the most untimely situations. Seniors do too. Would these talented players be better if they stayed longer?? Sure. But remember that by the time the tournament rolls around, these freshmen are essentially Sophomores. Is experience a factor for some other teams?? Yea, and to some it's crucial. That's because some teams depend almost solely of schemes, which depends on experience to be effective. Cal does not. He depends on talent and athleticism.
Cats #1, sincerely
When I saw a post with Kindly in the title this is what I assumed he was talking about.
Until Coach K shows me that the Okafor/Jones team is the norm not the exception with his one and done teams I don't see them being #2 without Bagley. Other than that team he hasn't shown the ability to get the young guys to gel with the old guys. And with the best returning player on this team being one step away from a mental institution I don't see this team could be much different.
Bamba gets threw around bad on the low block due to lack of strength and his back to the basket game leaves a lot to be desired... His talent level is not on par with a player like Anthony davis..
According to duke fans he is completely reformed and ready to be a leader of men now just like his master..
"These players are essentially sophomores when the tournament rolls around"? No they're not, and that's a Calism if I've ever heard one.
"Figuring it out is his philosophy"? So let me get this straight; you don't think having experience means a bit of difference, yet Cal relies on freshmen to accomplish his philosophy of "letting them figure it out"? How much sense does that make?
Cal: "my philosophy when the game gets tight is to just wait for them to figure it out" (his words for team USA loss)
How can a team of all freshmen figure anything out when they have zero experience to draw from?
Wouldn't it be the other way around? Since Cal's philosophy is to "let them figure it out" when things get tight, shouldn't he have some players that have the experience to draw upon?
You make a great point and I agree with most of what you said. Very valid points all around but I think you dismiss the value of experience a bit too much. What experience does is make you more comfortable. It allows you to take shots and play without fear. I'm not sayings it's more important than talent cause it's not but experince can be crucial. Some players just play calm and free anyway but those are few and far between. Having been in a situation before is very valuable.
It is possible to agree with both of your takes. A season of high level division 1 basketball is absolutely experience. The major conference schedule is what is supposed to get teams ready for the tournament. The talent versus experience argument will go on forever. Putting a team together has never been an exact science. The platoon team was about as good as you are ever going to have in college basketball and they couldn't close the deal. After watching the way that their championship loss ended, you could make the case that had underclassmen Tyler Ulus and Devon Booker been in the game at the end the outcome could have been different.
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