Just to get some football talk going

[Grumpyolddawg]

Who does everyone see being improved from 21 to 22 in the East.

Vandy- unfortunately for Vandy fans they could be the most improved team in the East and still be winless in the SEC.

Carolina- I think they will be better offensively, arguably the best WR in the East, and they have done well in the transfer portal thus far this off season. Think they will struggle defensively but believe they can put up some points.

Missouri-i think they struggle defensively. But depending on their QB, they could be a handful offensively. JT Daniel's is considering transferring there, he is soft but is an excellent passer and UGA's starting QB until an injury, plus they signed an elite WR.

Tennessee-offensively they will score some points, but defensively they will also give up some points because they lack the depth to keep up with the offense.

Florida-if you are talking early 2021 Florida, not sure they improve much,but if you talking late season UF after they quit on Mullen likely most improved team in the East because at season's end they sucked. I know Napier, his dad was a good friend of mine and I hate he is at UF. But it's pretty cool that one of your former players is a P5 head coach. I think he has put together a good staff, unfortunately I think he will do well there. But not sure he will do well enough to keep Ed p his job, the UF fans expect a championship every season and that isn't as easy as it was when Urban was there..

UK-i think is a team that mirrors UGA more than anyone because Stoops and Kirby are alot alike, defensive coaches who don't want to give up a short field. Losing Robinson would be tough for anyone, don't think say one guy replaces him, but 2-3 could very well surpass him in production, will have one of top 2-3 backs in SEC returning. Offense will be tough to deal with. I don't know enough about the roster to be fair about the defense, But I do think overall team speed needs to improve.

UGA-Will take a step back defensively, no way around that. But our best DL from 21 is still in Athens, #88 will at least be all SEC if he stays healthy. But the other 2 spots drop off and so will the LB crew, secondary could be better. Offensively, Bennett will be 25, a NC winning QB, OL will be better, best TE room in the country,#19 Bowers is a match-up nightmare for any team. RB won be near the top for stats, but 4 guys who will get their shot at the NFL. OL will be better. But overall not sure how.much are if we improve.

I think the most improved team will be Crackolina, but not the best. I think they are still 5th in the East, I just Don think they were very good in 21.

 

[jacobbleedsblue]

I heard JT Daniels cancelled his remaining visits after Oregon State. Heard he hung around a little extra up there.

 

[Bereacat420]

I hope I'm wrong but UT may be the most improved team, though they were already better at the end of the year.

UK bets them in Knox and UGA at home to win the East

 

[Fadhi]

Even though Levis is good, I think Kentucky goes run heavy this year if the line plays to a high standard.

Georgia's offense will be scary as their young pass catchers are studs.

I hate playing Missouri every year cause they are in love with the screen pass.

South Carolina seems to be improving

Vandy will be a win

Tennessee

 

[dabears22]

SC all depends on what rattler shows up on Saturday. Year 1 spencer or year 2 Spencer. Year 2 Spencer will struggle in the SEC.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I think it will be very competitive. I see Vandy struggling to get a conference win, Daniel's made the visit to Misdouri, not sure if it was before or after his scheduled Oregon State visit. I would not look forward to playing him, he is a very good QB.

 

[BigKat1988]

UGA-Likely 12-0 (8-0) again. Don’t think the defense will be as dominant but still good enough to win their games.
Tennessee- 9-3 (5-3). Their offense will probably be a TD better per game. Now that everyone is back to 85 scholarship players (Tennessee had 71 last year. Most schools were pushing 100 with super seniors) depth won’t be as much an issue.
Kentucky- 9-3 (5-3) They’ll grind teams down with a good running attack. Levis will be ok. Good not great. Defense will be much of the same. They’ll struggle to stop Ole Miss and Tennessee.
Florida- 7-5 (4-4) I think Utah will pop them in the mouth early. They’ll run the ball pretty decently but I don’t think AR15 ever becomes a formidable passing threat.
South Carolina- 5-7 (2-6) They’re just not good. They beat 1 team with a winning record last year. 7-6 ECU by 3 points. The teams that did beat them did it at the tune of 20 point win margins on average. It’ll be more of the same with a slightly tougher schedule.
Mizzou- 4-8 (2-6) Their defense will still be porous and their offense will be inexperienced and they’ll try to create a connection between Sam Horn and that 5 star WR they signed. It won’t be enough. Eli D will be canned by thanksgiving.
Vandy- 2-10 (0-8) They’ll beat Hawaii and Elon to kick off the season and then Wake Forest comes to town and it’s just 10 straight weeks of beat downs.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

The most likely of those happening is Vandy going 0-8 in conference. I believe UGA's defense takes a step back , but not as big as many expect. Offense could be a good bit better, Bowers, McConkey, Mitchell, Jackson, Gilbert, Smith, Washington and Blaylock is a good group of receivers, the RB will see 4-5 guys getting carries, no one will have eyebusting stats. OL will be a strength, very good and very de r p, if we can keep them out of portal.

 

[K_TIME]

UGA-Likely 12-0 (8-0) again. Don’t think the defense will be as dominant but still good enough to win their games.
Tennessee- 9-3 (5-3). Their offense will probably be a TD better per game. Now that everyone is back to 85 scholarship players (Tennessee had 71 last year. Most schools were pushing 100 with super seniors) depth won’t be as much an issue.
Kentucky- 9-3 (5-3) They’ll grind teams down with a good running attack. Levis will be ok. Good not great. Defense will be much of the same. They’ll struggle to stop Ole Miss and Tennessee.
Florida- 7-5 (4-4) I think Utah will pop them in the mouth early. They’ll run the ball pretty decently but I don’t think AR15 ever becomes a formidable passing threat.
South Carolina- 5-7 (2-6) They’re just not good. They beat 1 team with a winning record last year. 7-6 ECU by 3 points. The teams that did beat them did it at the tune of 20 point win margins on average. It’ll be more of the same with a slightly tougher schedule.
Mizzou- 4-8 (2-6) Their defense will still be porous and their offense will be inexperienced and they’ll try to create a connection between Sam Horn and that 5 star WR they signed. It won’t be enough. Eli D will be canned by thanksgiving.
Vandy- 2-10 (0-8) They’ll beat Hawaii and Elon to kick off the season and then Wake Forest comes to town and it’s just 10 straight weeks of beat downs.

This is ow I see it panning out
1. UGA...I still see them winning the SEC. UGA has an extremely easy SEC slate as Miss St and Auburn aren't really good West teams and they have Tennesee at home. I don't think UK beats them at Lexington is their biggest road game.
2. I think Tennessee is solidly the 2nd best East team. Hate to admit but Heupel did a great job with a limited roster. They'll be closer to full roster have the best or 2nd best QB in East with Will Levis right neck and neck with him. If Tennessee had UGA at home and dind't have Bama looming...I'd pick them to win the East
3. UK firmly the third best team. Levis is 1 or 1a QB in East. I'd argue edge blocking on OLine and lack of edge pass rush on defensive side will not match UGA/Tennessee.
4. USC....hard to not see the offensive improvement they made in portal. I am not sold on Beamer as a legit head coach....2022 will tell a ton if the man can coach
5. Florida....That roster mostly quit and they lose some decent pieces....and they had a crap recruiting class. They have some portal guys coming but their talent level has plummeted in a few years. We'll see if Napier is a good coach on how he handles this schedule with this roster.
6. Mizzou.....I don't buy they will upgrade at QB without Bazelak and they'll miss their best RB....and their defense is still Mizzou defense. Their better days are ahead of them...but not in 2022
7. Vandy...I like their new coach and more competitive days are ahead....but I still struggle to see them moving up the ladder in Eeast.

 

[mrschwump]

TN's disdain for D will bite them in the ass.

 

[BigKat1988]

TN's disdain for D will bite them in the ass.

There’s not a disdain. They just didn’t have the depth. Defense was solid in the first half of the season.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

There’s not a disdain. They just didn’t have the depth. Defense was solid in the first half of the season.

Are you not going to take into consideration who the early games were? I understand UT wants to go fast, but with no defensive depth doesn't that defeat the purpose? I think UT will likely be better offensively. I think the most improved team will be between Carolina and UF. Not the best, just the most improved from last year.

 

[cathouse]

With TN throwing NIL money to top recruits like a drunken sailor in a whore house, this will be the last year UT will lack top talent or depth.

If you can pay $8M to a 5 star QB, you can buy any position upgrade you need to build a competitive team.

Vols get to legally do what they have always done........buy the best players.

 

[Dddjdd]

With TN throwing NIL money to top recruits like a drunken sailor in a whore house, this will be the last year UT will lack top talent or depth.

If you can pay $8M to a 5 star QB, you can buy any position upgrade you need to build a competitive team.

Vols get to legally do what they have always done........buy the best players.

Agreed. I expect TN to keep improving under Heupel with NIL. Not saying they get to UGA level but could see them fighting for second in the East most years. Sucks.

 

[CB3UK]

There's a lot of question marks with everyone it feels like. I certainly like what the Cats have done and feel good about where we are headed in to the Spring Game.

Carolina, Missouri, and Tennessee all feel like they're on an upward trajectory. I'd probably rank them an inverse order of how I just listed them. If Tennessee can actually play defense this year they could be pretty solid. Of course you've also got a year of Heupel's offense on the books and D coordinators have more to work with to stop it.

Rattler isnt going to lead Carolina to the promised land, but he definitely improves them. Beamer seems like he's got an infectious positive attitude and I think Gamecock fans are expecting to add another couple Ws to the win column.

Not sure what Mizzou and Vandy have added.

And of course unless you're an LSU fan, none of us have any idea what the heck we're going to see at Florida with Napier.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

There's a lot of question marks with everyone it feels like. I certainly like what the Cats have done and feel good about where we are headed in to the Spring Game.

Carolina, Missouri, and Tennessee all feel like they're on an upward trajectory. I'd probably rank them an inverse order of how I just listed them. If Tennessee can actually play defense this year they could be pretty solid. Of course you've also got a year of Heupel's offense on the books and D coordinators have more to work with to stop it.

Rattler isnt going to lead Carolina to the promised land, but he definitely improves them. Beamer seems like he's got an infectious positive attitude and I think Gamecock fans are expecting to add another couple Ws to the win column.

Not sure what Mizzou and Vandy have added.

And of course unless you're an LSU fan, none of us have any idea what the heck we're going to see at Florida with Napier.

Tenn has Rodney Garner as DL coach and I believe Willie Martinez as DB coach. Garner was the man 20 years ago, today he is bottom half DL coach in the SEC. Martinez was Richt's DC for awhile and was terrible.

As far Napier, he is very smart, he likes recruiting unlike Mullen who wanted no part of it. But if he isn't heading to Atlanta in Dec. Gators will get rid of him. He brought in a good staff, Miami and FSU need to be good to split all that Florida talent.

Missouri signed a 5* WR this cycle and are 1 of the 3 teams JT Daniel's is looking at. If Daniel's goes there and decides to play he is a good AB.

 

[BigKat1988]

Are you not going to take into consideration who the early games were? I understand UT wants to go fast, but with no defensive depth doesn't that defeat the purpose? I think UT will likely be better offensively. I think the most improved team will be between Carolina and UF. Not the best, just the most improved from last year.

You’re right. We didn’t recruit any depth or develop any or have any come back from injury to help replace the 3 people on the two deep that were lost. Carolina won’t make a bowl. Florida will be ok. 8-4ish.

 

[BigKat1988]

Tenn has Rodney Garner as DL coach and I believe Willie Martinez as DB coach. Garner was the man 20 years ago, today he is bottom half DL coach in the SEC. Martinez was Richt's DC for awhile and was terrible.

As far Napier, he is very smart, he likes recruiting unlike Mullen who wanted no part of it. But if he isn't heading to Atlanta in Dec. Gators will get rid of him. He brought in a good staff, Miami and FSU need to be good to split all that Florida talent.

Missouri signed a 5* WR this cycle and are 1 of the 3 teams JT Daniel's is looking at. If Daniel's goes there and decides to play he is a good AB.

Rodney has had more DLinemen drafted in the last 4 yrs than UGAs had in 10. Martinez got 3 DBs drafted from UCFs terrible defense. He can coach DBs.

 

[CB3UK]

Tenn has Rodney Garner as DL coach and I believe Willie Martinez as DB coach. Garner was the man 20 years ago, today he is bottom half DL coach in the SEC. Martinez was Richt's DC for awhile and was terrible.

As far Napier, he is very smart, he likes recruiting unlike Mullen who wanted no part of it. But if he isn't heading to Atlanta in Dec. Gators will get rid of him. He brought in a good staff, Miami and FSU need to be good to split all that Florida talent.

Missouri signed a 5* WR this cycle and are 1 of the 3 teams JT Daniel's is looking at. If Daniel's goes there and decides to play he is a good AB.

Bringing up Miami raises an interesting thought about Florida too. With the moves the Canes have made seems like recruiting in that state has swung in to their favor. Haven't heard much noise out of Tallahassee, so I suppose if Napier can have a solid year this year then he can capitalize. But my goodness......the U definitely looks like they're gonna be back.

 

[mrschwump]

Tenn has Rodney Garner as DL coach and I believe Willie Martinez as DB coach. Garner was the man 20 years ago, today he is bottom half DL coach in the SEC. Martinez was Richt's DC for awhile and was terrible.

As far Napier, he is very smart, he likes recruiting unlike Mullen who wanted no part of it. But if he isn't heading to Atlanta in Dec. Gators will get rid of him. He brought in a good staff, Miami and FSU need to be good to split all that Florida talent.

Missouri signed a 5* WR this cycle and are 1 of the 3 teams JT Daniel's is looking at. If Daniel's goes there and decides to play he is a good AB.

Doesn't Martinez have some NCAA baggage?

Seemed like MO had a promising fr QB that played in their bowl last year.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Rodney has had more DLinemen drafted in the last 4 yrs than UGAs had in 10. Martinez got 3 DBs drafted from UCFs terrible defense. He can coach DBs.

Like I said he was the man at one time, time is undefeated. You realize you got another month or so to say that right?

Martinez got Richt's seat hot and Richt was too loyal to fire him. If he fired him after the first year Richt would have probably retired as UGA's head coach.

But I am all for yall giving them lifetime contracts if you think so much of them.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Doesn't Martinez have some NCAA baggage?

Seemed like MO had a promising fr QB that played in their bowl last year.

I don't know if Martinez does or not, I think he was a straight shooter, but it's possible he does. I thought they had a young guy too, but they are hard after Daniel's and he took a visit. Took one out west too but don't think he has visited WVU yet.

 

[cathouse]

You’re right. We didn’t recruit any depth or develop any or have any come back from injury to help replace the 3 people on the two deep that were lost. Carolina won’t make a bowl. Florida will be ok. 8-4ish.

So with all those returning starters you think they will improve on that 7-6 record from last year?

 

[UNIVKY]

With TN throwing NIL money to top recruits like a drunken sailor in a whore house, this will be the last year UT will lack top talent or depth.

If you can pay $8M to a 5 star QB, you can buy any position upgrade you need to build a competitive team.

Vols get to legally do what they have always done........buy the best players.

8 Million? That's a lot of McDonalds....

 

[cathouse]

8 Million? That's a lot of McDonalds....

Over 300 billion served.

It's Haslem money. Gas and Deisel prices gooood for them right now.

 

[BigKat1988]

So with all those returning starters you think they will improve on that 7-6 record from last year?

Yes. The offense will be more established. Probably to the tune back to the mid 40s in ppg. Look at a team like Ole Miss in year 2. Sub .500 one year, 10-3 in the toughest division in football the next year running a similar offense.

 

[BigKat1988]

With TN throwing NIL money to top recruits like a drunken sailor in a whore house, this will be the last year UT will lack top talent or depth.

If you can pay $8M to a 5 star QB, you can buy any position upgrade you need to build a competitive team.

Vols get to legally do what they have always done........buy the best players.

Do you think Tennessee was the only school in this thread that paid players? Now that it can be out in the open, the money will be big boy bucks. No more 100k and a used Raptor to get a 5 star QB like Brock Vandagriff and you have to have boosters outside of the school willing to give to that. That’ll be UGAs issue and is why a guy like Dabo or Kirby is pushing back against NIL. They don’t have the massive billionaire booster base Tennessee has to play the NIL. It’s like legalizing weed and the dealer down the road still trying to compete with dispensary.

 

[cathouse]

Do you think Tennessee was the only school in this thread that paid players? Now that it can be out in the open, the money will be big boy bucks. No more 100k and a used Raptor to get a 5 star QB like Brock Vandagriff and you have to have boosters outside of the school willing to give to that. That’ll be UGAs issue and is why a guy like Dabo or Kirby is pushing back against NIL. They don’t have the massive billionaire booster base Tennessee has to play the NIL. It’s like legalizing weed and the dealer down the road still trying to compete with dispensary.

Are you reading comprehensive challenged?

Did I even insinuate anywhere in my post that UT was the only school doing it??

The SEC has always been known for buying football (and some basketball) players.

UT was just always bad at cheating even though their alums have more money than God.

For now, it's all legal, and UT will be able to buy whatever talent they choose.

Quick question. How are you going to fire Hoepel if he fails when you can't blame him for cheating like you blamed Cornbread Pruitt?

 

[BigKat1988]

Are you reading comprehensive challenged?

Did I even insinuate anywhere in my post that UT was the only school doing it??

The SEC has always been known for buying football (and some basketball) players.

UT was just always bad at cheating even though their alums have more money than God.

For now, it's all legal, and UT will be able to buy whatever talent they choose.

Quick question. How are you going to fire Hoepel if he fails when you can't blame him for cheating like you blamed Cornbread Pruitt?

If he’s not violating his contract like Pruitt did, I guess with a big buyout like any other school.

 

[cathouse]

If he’s not violating his contract like Pruitt did, I guess with a big buyout like any other school.

Well, that would be different for UT. Maybe you won't have to. Coach seems like a good dude and runs a potent offense.

Will be interesting to see if SEC defensive coordinators can figure out how to defend it like Big 12 DC's when he was OC at Oklahoma.

 

[BigKat1988]

Well, that would be different for UT. Maybe you won't have to. Coach seems like a good dude and runs a potent offense.

Will be interesting to see if SEC defensive coordinators can figure out how to defend it like Big 12 DC's when he was OC at Oklahoma.

They didn’t stop it in Norman until Bob made him change the style they ran because he was trying to protect Mike from getting fired as the DC. He came to him and told him to run a run heavy offense to protect the defense. The offense was still putting out 36.4 ppg and Samije Perine set records in some games. Mike still sucked and Norvell and Heupel were the scapegoats.

 

[cathouse]

They didn’t stop it in Norman until Bob made him change the style they ran because he was trying to protect Mike from getting fired as the DC. He came to him and told him to run a run heavy offense to protect the defense. The offense was still putting out 36.4 ppg and Samije Perine set records in some games. Mike still sucked and Norvell and Heupel were the scapegoats.

Time will tell. Can't wait for the season to begin. Should be a fun year.

 

[CUJO_1970]

Worried about our defense, especially with the Tisdale injury.

Worried about all the damned coaching turnover. I get that's all part of it, but damn.

 

[Jtf2217]

Do you think Tennessee was the only school in this thread that paid players? Now that it can be out in the open, the money will be big boy bucks. No more 100k and a used Raptor to get a 5 star QB like Brock Vandagriff and you have to have boosters outside of the school willing to give to that. That’ll be UGAs issue and is why a guy like Dabo or Kirby is pushing back against NIL. They don’t have the massive billionaire booster base Tennessee has to play the NIL. It’s like legalizing weed and the dealer down the road still trying to compete with dispensary.

See what youre saying but Dealer down the road is alot cheaper than the taxes ect and price offset at the dispensary. Not really the same.

 

[cathouse]

Worried about our defense, especially with the Tisdale injury.

Worried about all the damned coaching turnover. I get that's all part of it, but damn.

Me too. There is bound to be an adjustment period for new coaches. With Florida looming the 2nd game got to hope these senior leaders step up and help the coaches and the younger players.

 

[BigKat1988]

See what youre saying but Dealer down the road is alot cheaper than the taxes ect and price offset at the dispensary. Not really the same.

The dealer doesn’t have the same access. His stuffs likely gonna be some bunk local stuff. A dispensary will have all your hearts desires or the means to get it.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Do you think Tennessee was the only school in this thread that paid players? Now that it can be out in the open, the money will be big boy bucks. No more 100k and a used Raptor to get a 5 star QB like Brock Vandagriff and you have to have boosters outside of the school willing to give to that. That’ll be UGAs issue and is why a guy like Dabo or Kirby is pushing back against NIL. They don’t have the massive billionaire booster base Tennessee has to play the NIL. It’s like legalizing weed and the dealer down the road still trying to compete with dispensary.

You are just stupid, the only school in the SEC being investigated for paying players is the Vols, not UGA, not Bama, not Auburn, just UT. You think every kid don't have parents who can afford a vehicle? The raptors New and the kids mother is a pediatric surgeon and his dad is over the port authority in Savanah, are so ignorant to the a family pulling in high 6 or 7 figures income can't afford a Ford truck for their kid?

The arrogant bunch of Vols are already counting championships. UT been buying players for years and haven't done mush and with the Hansen's in charge, and you know they are, the vols will become the Browns of the SEC. The laughing stock, that 8m deal to a HS Jr has it well on the way.

 

[BigKat1988]

You are just stupid, the only school in the SEC being investigated for paying players is the Vols, not UGA, not Bama, not Auburn, just UT. You think every kid don't have parents who can afford a vehicle? The raptors New and the kids mother is a pediatric surgeon and his dad is over the port authority in Savanah, are so ignorant to the a family pulling in high 6 or 7 figures income can't afford a Ford truck for their kid?

The arrogant bunch of Vols are already counting championships. UT been buying players for years and haven't done mush and with the Hansen's in charge, and you know they are, the vols will become the Browns of the SEC. The laughing stock, that 8m deal to a HS Jr has it well on the way.

LSU is too. Do you know anything? I mean you honestly had no idea Jancek was on your staff for the last few years. No one is counting championships. Sorry that UGA doesn’t have good boosters. Probably why your facilities were stuck in the 80s until the SEC Network welfare checks started cashing. And Brock has a Raptor too. His dads a HS coach/teacher. Doubt he or his homemaker wife are clearing high 6 or 7 figures.

 

[ukalum1988]

I hate UT like any other UK fan but they’ve improved a lot more and a lot faster than I expected and wanted them to lol.

I’m not conceding a loss to them this season, but I consider them our third toughest game after UGA and Ole Miss.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

LSU is too. Do you know anything? I mean you honestly had no idea Jancek was on your staff for the last few years. No one is counting championships. Sorry that UGA doesn’t have good boosters. Probably why your facilities were stuck in the 80s until the SEC Network welfare checks started cashing. And Brock has a Raptor too. His dads a HS coach/teacher. Doubt he or his homemaker wife are clearing high 6 or 7 figures.

LSU BB is under investigation for buying players, not football, they are under investigation for Title IX infractions. Jancek is not a coach at UGA. Brock's dad is a retiree from one system and has a full time job at a private school, so yeah he can afford a used Ford. Kendall Milton's dad has a job too, you want to point out his vehicle too? Some people have jobs and get their kid a vehicle, much less that a college education. Just because UT is and has always been one of the dirtiest programs in the conference and has to pay kids to live in that cesspool of a town and state, kids actually like Athens. Everyone else is going to enjoy watching Hanson turn the vols into the Browns. Do you think he will change the mascot and get rid of that putrid orange?