Jon Sumrall Watch
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Still want to know how you are certain he would get smoked in the SEC. Lay it out for us. And don't pull the same schtick you pull on the baseball forum with "I know more about baseball than all of you combined" nonsense either. That's not gonna fly in here. I've been going to UK football games since that stadium opened when I was a child. 30+ year season ticket holder myself, didn't miss a game when I was in college there prior to that and went to games with my dad who had tickets for 30 years himself before that even. I've sat through it all in that stadium since the Fran Curci days, and I'm a relative youngin' compared to a few others on here. It's my opinion Sumrall could do just fine here if given the chance.
VPI is VA Tech for you youngsters playing along at home. Makes me feel old that I too can recall those letters appearing on the CWS scoreboard.
Sumral is the no brainer choice - period. Many other good candidates I'm sure - but NO other coach fits like Jon does! Been going to UK games since Stoll field days and I fully agree with you!
Go Big Blue!
Got to think Sumral will be at a P4 school when UK will finally come after him. Hope he would return to UK then,all depends on which School he at when it happens
Biggest mistake in UK football history- hiring Claiborne over Schnellenberger. John Y Brown, Governor, had a commitment from Schnelly to be the next HC but UK president rejected him.
Right, big issue too was control. HS wanted total control over football, Hagan bucked him(was afraid football would detract from basketball) and Prez, Singletary, sided with Hagan. It was frustrating as UK football was treated as a red headed stepchild and forced to "stay in your lane."
I agree Schnellenberger would have been the best choice but I do not believe he could have co-existed with a basketball focused AD (Cliff Hagan). Howard was going to run his program the way he wanted and was not interested in power sharing
Tulane came in today as the 3rd highest ranked G5 program in the AP and Coaches polls behind Boise State and Army.
They also lead the AAC in total points and are 8th in country in points per game for those afraid of hiring a coach whose experience is from the defensive side of the ball.
They also lead the AAC in total points and are 8th in country in points per game for those afraid of hiring a coach whose experience is from the defensive side of the ball.
Sumrall is proving himself as a coach and being around him for 5 minutes you can tell he has the charisma you want in a coach. He would bring recruits in and players would play hard for him.
The guy from ESPN who called the game, said during his weekly meetings with Sumrall prior to the game he was texting ESPN's Dan Mullen DURING the interview basically saying I am blown away by this guy....
Pope on the basketball side and Sumrall on the football side.... We couldn't go wrong with that combo!!!!
We would go from Mark and John to Mark and Jon.
How much money does the school have to play with to buyout the entire staff when you factor in the Stoops contract, the OC/DC making over $1 million each and the rest of the coaching staff? Still have to factor in the buyout of the contract of a coach with the previous school, sign them to a contract here, hire an OC/DC and fill out a new coaching staff. Sure, they can buyout Stoops over time but he has to be willing to negotiate taking less than what was agreed upon. Can afford to buyout everyone and hire a brand new coaching staff in 2025? Easier said than done. Maybe in a year when the buyout goes down more. If a coach that is worth a damn that you are suggesting coming over from a good program that could get lured away to a new job, ADs are going to throw out lucrative contract extensions to keep them. I highly doubt any coach is going to come here for less than $5 million a year Sumrall for less than Pope but getting a similar deal to come back. Why would a coach settle for half of what Stoops is making? UK is willing to pay top 10 money that would make coming here in the SEC more appealing that some of the lateral jobs people mention coaches wouldn't leave for. Just don't see that realistically happening for the 2025 season.
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If Mitchell was still here, we’d have Matthew, Mark and Jon!
The going rate today for a coach with G5 head coaching experience seems to be in the 6-7m range. For a P4 coach, I would think around 10 if he were successful.
I suspect these rates will take a hit with a revenue sharing plan to share 20% of gross revenue with the athletes.
But maybe the new TV deals will be lucrative enough to cover the added expenses?!?!?
I saw someone say the other day that Stoops is dangerously to giving up all he built here. I think inevitably he will leave the program in a better spot but if he held on an extra year to go 4-8 and then we had to watch Sumrall build a contender at Auburn or somewhere like that it would do immense damage to UK as a program.
It would be awesome to see alumni succeed in both of Football and Basketball if Sumrall comes back like Pope. Someone who would make it their destination job.
We will be lucky if we get to 4-8 this year. Sure hope he steps down.
Nope. Cliff Hagan contacted and wanted Howard. They were friends from their days at UK together and knew each other from HS.
UK was in the midst of NCAA probation stemming from Fran Curci. Howard did want control of his program and President Singletary was reluctant to grant it. That killed the deal.
However, it wasn’t Cliff Hagan’s fault. He wanted annd recognized Howard’s ability and had him hired.
If Howard had come UK would have brought the first pro style offense with a tremendous passing game into the SEC.
Tulane now #25 in the AP poll. Nice work by Coach JS!
It doesn't take much actually. If Tulane wins out (including AAC championship) and Boise State loses in their conference championship game, then Tulane is in. That's all it takes.
If he goes outside the SEC, I would hope to think we'd have a respectable chance of hiring him. If he goes to an SEC school and does well there, it will be extremely difficult IMO to hire him away.
If MB let's this happen, UK fans should get out their feathers.
Yes.
That had occurred to me prior to reopening the thread. They just have to be the top rated G5 team, if I recall correctly. And that is very doable.
It's not even being the highest ranked. It's being the highest ranked conference champion from the G5. If Boise State wins out in the regular season, but loses in the MWC championship game, Boise State could still be ranked ahead of Tulane, but Tulane would get in as the AAC champion.
No idea what that does. Not sure it does much at all to the 2 big conferences. Clearly there is lots of money to be made in college football. I was looking at FSU site, they are cash strapped. They just finished paying the buyout of their last ex coach, 150m stadium upgrades7-8m buyouts for recently fired coaches, 66 to fire Nevelle 66m. To get out of ACC 110m, they hope it's that, something i thought was interesting, all their football scholarships aren't endowed, only about 55 are, the rest is paid by athletics.
Because Mitch won't fire Stoopid with the big buyout Mitch allowed Stoopid's agent to negotiate. Unless Stoopid resigns end of season, we're stuck with him and another P4 school will swoop in and get Sumrall
If UK doesnt make a change and someone else hires him, if he wants to be at UK he will come. But here is the thing, been lots of successful G5 coaches who were can't miss guys that missed. Herman, Frost, Napier, Freeze and Melville are 5 recent bust. I am sure threr are some great success stories I just can't think of who now.
I would think treating Bear Bryant like a 2nd class season and basically running him off would be a pretty big mistake.
There have been top coordinators who have failed and succeeded, coaches from the G4 and FCS level who have succeeded and failed and even successful P4 coaches who have succeeded snd failed. There is no magic solution.
In recent years, G5 coaches who have transitioned to success at the P4 level:
Josh Heupel from UCF to UT
Kellen DeBoer from Fresno State to UW
Curt Cignetti from JMU to IU
There is nothing that says Sumrall is an automatic home run hire. He might not succeed at the P4 level, or he might kill it. I’d rather find that out with him doing it at UK than another P4 school because I think it’s worth the gamble.
Would agree there is no guarantee. I do believe we can see trends that are successful.
Also throw sark and kif in there as well.
I would say the common thread among the recent guys succeeding would be ability to recruit, develop, coach passing game, specifically QB obviously.
That’s not to say running and D aren’t a part of their success. It is to say even if you lean on run and it’s your strength if you don’t have a QB who can operate your offense and lead team you’re in a hole and it’s a hard fight out even if you’re decent to good in other aspects.
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