John Wall puts Jalen Green in his place.
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John got his point; however, great point guards make certain that he feeds his teammates and Wall didn't do that. When Wall got hurt, it provided an opportunity for the Wizards to get a good look at Bill and once they did, they knew it was time for Wall to go.
Huh? The only thing he maybe should have done differently is work more on his shooting.. But that's not always easy to just "figure out". He actually figured out his shot after the first few years, rising his 3pt percentage from middling 20% to low 30%. So idk what blame he is supposed to take. He's done everything he was supposed to.
You obviously spent more time reading about his pro game than watching his game. I watched him play for his entire career in DC and it wasn't even close to being at the level that was expected of him. His play on the court held Bill back instead of elevating his game. Flashing gang signs wasn't helpful either.
He didn't seem to have any trouble figuring out DC's night life. Maybe he should have used the same determination in figuring out how to score more efficiently, getting his teammates involved, and being an overall better teammate. I don't recall a single top player wanting to come to DC to play with him. He couldn't even talk former UK players into joining him.
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Wall was out of shape for most of his career. He did not work on taking care of his body and would try to rush and workout for two week before the season started in some place like Miami where he was clubbing all night. Which is what he did during the season as well in Washington. It was not just his shooting he neglected. His craft was not the most important thing for him.
Where to begin with this one.
For starters, what player DOESN'T enjoy nightlife in a big market? Is there something I'm missing that Wall did? We KNOW which players are the party types.. James Harden comes to mind. I'd like to know what Wall should have done different, compared to his peers in this regards.
Wall is an athletic guard.. Not many players of his type can transform their game, Same goes true for the skills guys. Do you see Curry or Jimmer improving their lateral speed or baseline-to-baseline times? Nope.
Better teammate? The guy who got drafted to a team where the players just pulled guns on each other and therefore had to be the grownup in the locker room full of guys like Arenas, McGee, Crittenton and Blatch? And getting his teammates involved? From 2014 to 2017 he was top3 in assists. Several other years he was in the top10.
As for the last part.. is there any proof to this? Who didn't want to play with Wall, specifically.
This is news to me. Do you have some links? I watch the NBA, and I don't recall ever seeing reports that Wall wasn't taking his career seriously.
You have no idea what you are talking about. In the DC area, it was widely known that Wall frequently was seen late into the night at popular DC clubs when he should have been resting and preparing for games.
As for the players you named who were bad apples, you are correct, but Bill experienced some of those players too and it didn't seem to cause him to act like Wall. Every one of the players you named were gone from the team when Wall was caught flashing gang signs.
As for 2014 to 2017, I understand why you want to reduce his career to just those years. Unfortunately, that isn't how it goes. I watched nearly every game that he played in DC, so you will understand why I am not impressed by your stats, because raw stats don't provide the full picture. As you well know, there are lots of stat stuffers.
The season is early, but the Wizards are playing much better basketball without Wall or Westbrook. Wall and Westbrook are similar players with the main difference being rebounding. Both players take way too many untimely shots while playing hero ball. The fact that Huston is willing to pay Wall but not play him should tell you all you need to know,
Link an article. I dont want to hear how you heard rumors from a guy at work that John Wall was in the club the other night. I have seen nothing to suggest that Wall was any worse than any other player in this regard. He has never been considered that trouble-maker type player. We know who those guys are in the professional leagues.
No shit I'm correct. It was one of the worst locker rooms for a player to come into. Who the eff is Bill. Are you talking about Bradley BEAL?
I listed four years he was TOP3 in assists per game. Want others?
2013? tied for 6th.
2012? 7th.
2011? 7th.
2018? 2nd.
2019? Tied for 2nd.
John Wall has been one of THE most consistent PGs in assists since he's been in the league.
Maybe go ask Gary at the water cooler for more information on John Wall.
Lmfao, this one deserves it's own post. You realize how many millions of white kids born from 1980 to 2000 have, at one time or another, thrown up the Crip or Blood fingers? Here's this heinous act for everyone to see.
Fair warning everyone, this is real NSFW stuff.
Once again you come out with a bunch of meaningless stats. Those same stats that you produced are matched and exceeded by Westbrook. What do they have in common? They are both stat stuffers who could never lead a team to a championship.
I don't particularly care what you want to hear. I don't even care if you believe what I have posted. I am just glad that he is no longer in DC.
Learn your players first. Jesus man. You can't even figure out who plays on your team.
Good work not providing any links. Typical from you.
That behavior might be ok if you are just a kid on the block, but it isn't acceptable when you are the face of a multimillion dollar franchise. The fact that he didn't realize that tells you a lot about his maturity and yours too.Lmfao, this one deserves it's own post. You realize how many millions of white kids born from 1980 to 2000 have, at one time or another, thrown up the Crip or Blood fingers? Here's this heinous act for everyone to see.
Fair warning everyone, this is real NSFW stuff.
He was completely tanked when he did that and it was 100% harmless. Trying to make John Wall out to be some problematic gang member because you're upset he didn't win your team a title..
God you're the worst lol.
(Still waiting to hear which players wouldn't play with him from UK, reports that he was partying too much, etc)
When you are void of substance you find something ancillary like the misspelling of a name to make a point as if that changes anything about Wall's game. If that is all you got, you fail because you clearly got the point.
I am not upset about anything. It is just the opposite. I was happy when Wall arrived and even happier when he left. As for using tanked as an excuse, do you have any pictures of any other franchise players flashing gang signs? This may come as a surprise to you but lots of young people die at the hands of gang members in metro areas like DC. So it might not matter to someone living in the country; it does matter to someone who lives where gang violence is way to common.
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Links, let's see em. You said a lot of stuff that you have no proof of.
Washington sucked before Wall, they were mediocre with him, and now they suck again.. winning what, like 50 games across the 2 seasons after Wall left.
The answer to all this is that the organization is one of the worst run in the NBA. To put anything more than a smidge of the responsibility on Wall is flat put wrong. They drafted poorly, they couldn't make FA moves, they are poorly run.
Nope. I want to see links about Walls excessive partying and lack of care to prepare for the NBA, that's egregious and shows a pattern.. and.. I want to see a link of a UK player who didn't want to play with him.
You must have them, because you're so sure of this.
... Or, you just heard some shit and ran with it, because you live near the team, so rumors about Wall and the Wizards are far more common than any other NBA team. This is likely half hearsay and half talking out your ass about a player you don't like.
I guess Wall not being allowed to play for the team who is paying him is hearsay too. I guess they don't like Wall either. What other excuses do you have? You are a joke and I understand that it is unlikely that you would hear very much about Wall's behavior or much of anything else in your local hayfield.
Don't bother to respond because you bore me so I am putting you on ignore.
Really a shame what injuries did to his career. He would probably be the best PG in the NBA right now still if he had stayed mostly healthy. He was unguardable in college and even the first several years in the NBA. A shame really.
The athleticism and speed and explosiveness he had were probably the best a point guard ever had. But those effing injuries man...
The athleticism and speed and explosiveness he had were probably the best a point guard ever had. But those effing injuries man...
You don't know dick about your OWN team.. how are you gonna talk to me about MY team? Lol.
Houston isn't playing him because they're in full rebuild mode, and would rather develop their young guards, KPJ, Green, Christopher and Tate. They took on Wall in exchange for an equally bad contract in Westbrook, in hopes that MAYBE he had enough left to be a premier pg (he did not) but also as a way to move Russ. So Houston is moving on, and Wall wants this. He doesn't want to play for a team that's rebuilding. It's not because he's not good enough to start lolol.
Lmfao yesssssss.. the old "let me get my last word in before I put you on ignore". You got exposed for lying so your answer is to run away.. Man you really are the worst.
Which honestly, I don't care. I just want others to see what dumb posts you make. Could care less if you put me on ignore. When you inevitably open my posts, either in 5 minutes or in 5 weeks, I'll be expecting those links.
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Uh I think you missed the memo.. John Wall isn't good not because of injuries.. but because of "gang signs" that one time when a team was horsing around.
I was in another forum that was populated with many members from the DC area. They would all post about going out and see Wall and his crew wilding out regularly in clubs. It is a known fact. News is not going to report on that. Many players do it. But some players can absorb that kind of schedule and still perform to their maximum. Wall never reached that. Point is he could have used that time taking better care of himself and working on his craft.
Harden is at the club to the point that you not only see it in the news but also in his gut lol.
Wall hasn't been out of shape, has he? And while maybe the news doesn't report on a players proclivity to enjoy the nightlife.. they WILL report if a player is out of shape, hasn't reported to camp, issues, etc.
Honest question: you think Wall was someone that couldn't absorb the nightlife? Not sure about that. He didn't gain weight like Zion or Eddy Curry or Harden. His game got better in years 4 5 6 and so on UNTIL these injuries derailed him.
I think the issue is that he's an extremely athletic guard, and those just don't hold up on the NBA for long. I find it hard to correlate his knee and Achilles issues with whatever he does in his free time.
Every player has the same amount of time. Some have high skill levels early. Some have to work on that craft more than others. Wall is a phenom athlete, but some of his basic basketball skills needed development. He was going to have to spend a great deal of time to address those deficiencies to be a HOF level player. He chose and still chooses to use his time outside games for other things. Nothing wrong with that. But the net result of those decisions means he leaves something on the table in the overall arc of his career. Shaq did the same thing. Dude was a dominant monster without prioritizing his fitness. I'm not a Lebron fan but he treats his body like the cash cow that it is for him. He is leaving nothing to chance or falling back on natural ability to get by. Had a Shaq or Wall done the same they would have very different legacies.
I'm sure it ticks Shaq off to see lists of all time greats and others can even be in the conversation with him. But it is his own fault that he didn't distance himself when he had the opportunity.
Wall's talent is HOF-worthy. His drive, work ethic and dedication are not. Guess which one wins out?
In response to your Harden reference, James has a set of basketball skills that could get an old man by. He has touch. He has compact moves that create space with little effort. And he can hit the shot when he gets space. That will serve him until his legs can't move anymore. Wall's game is too predicated on him getting by someone to get close to the rim. That type of game ages like milk. He didn't add to it and is paying the price.
If you ask me.. fans HATE when a player is enjoying their life while the franchise loses. It's a cop-out excuse. "We wouldn't be losing if Wall wasn't out partying". I get it, we sometimes think that if the player isn't practicing, that they could be doing more to help. I just don't think it's rational. 1. It might not affect their performance, at all. And 2. It might actually be how they cope or relax. Either way, there's rarely any proof that what a player does outside the game has any affect on the court.. except, when it's egregious (hence the Zion, Harden, Curry example)
I mean, you see this in every sport, almost daily. If a player smiles on the bench after loss, fans go nuts. If they enjoy life after a loss, it becomes news.
I mean, you see this in every sport, almost daily. If a player smiles on the bench after loss, fans go nuts. If they enjoy life after a loss, it becomes news.
If him and a cousins didn’t get injured they both would have been in the HOF. Wall isn’t don’t yet.
I don't think anyone doubts Wall's competitiveness in game. He's just showing up to a gun fight with a knife in this decade.
Cousins yes. Don't agree on Wall. Players that are relying on out-athleting are not doing as well lately. You have to be a monster like Giannis or bring a true skill to the table.
But then we're agreeing that there's different types of players, and to me, that very much differentiates a players trajectory. Skill-first players can stand the test of time. Where as the Wall's and the Rose' of this world just aren't going to last. At some point, they need to reinvent themselves. Where as the skill guys, not as much. I mentioned above, you don't see guys like JJ Reddick or Curry working to be faster or jump higher. They are who they are, and the skill guys can have long careers.
I certainly won't try and sell Wall as one of the more dedicated basketball guys. He's not a Jordan or Kobe.. but I don't know if Wall's career shortcoming would be primarily attributed to him not working hard. To me, it's the injuries and the Washington organization that's more at blame than whatever Wall was doing in practice and after hours. It's not like Beal, or anyone else on the Washington the last 20 years (who was a franchise player) is going to the HOF any time soon.
Wall was a 5x All-star leading up to what was essentially a career ending injury. IDK if he makes HOF otherwise, but he was certainly playing well. IDK, just still feels like we're being a tad critical of Wall's drive. IDK if there's much an athletic-type player can do to just 180 their game. How many guys have done this, and succeeded with it, for an extended period.
I like how in a thread about something funny Wall did, some of you decided to become Immanuel Kant and turn this thread into an debate about the existential quality of Wall's life choices.
I want to know what kind of clubs he is going to that causes knee, heel and Achilles injuries because I want to stay away from that place.
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