Jerry Meyer Just Crystal Balled Josh Jackson To MSU

[Jkwo]

He said MSU's class would be so so or decent. That was an incorrect statement. It would a phenomenal class MSU is putting together if they land Bridges and Jackson, even by Kentucky standards. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves. Nobody is denying Kentucky their just due. You guys have had some ridiculous recruiting classes over the years, but to say this potential 2016 MSU blockbuster class is decent is just plain foolish imo.

He said it would be a decent Kentucky class. And it would. It would be somewhere in the middle of Kentucky's classes, according to the very article that you linked. It wouldn't be at the top, and it probably wouldn't be at the bottom, either. So by UK's standards over the past 6 years, it's decent. What else do you need to know?

 

[MSU129]

I'm not following this closely, but don't all of these recruits have ties to Michigan for the most part? So I wouldn't say Izzo is adjusting...he is just getting guys that he should be getting that he let get out of state prior years.

 

[I Am The 1 And Only]

So you come in here to our turf and tell us that

1. Tyler Ulis can't take his man off the dribble

and

2. Coach Cal is unlikely to get a second championship (or at least less likely than Izzo) and is one of the "riff raff" that Izzo will separate himself from.


Get the hell outta here with your awful takes.


Having differing opinions is fine and good - we accept reasonable dialogue, but you can't come here with your complete and total lack of objectivity spouting out nonsense like that.

Let's get it perfectly straight - Ulis is a monster with the ball in his hands and will be one of the best PGs in the nation this year, and Cal is, at worst, the second best coach in the game right now. These are cosmic truths about the universe. You can verify them with finely calibrated scientific instruments.

Gleefully spread your MSU propaganda, gloat about your class - fine. But *do not* try to dispute the facts.

Cal is a master recruiter with way more resources at his disposal than Izzo, but he is not a better X's and O's coach than Izzo. If you read my quote, I said Ulis and Andrew Harrison could take their men off the dribble, so get YOUR facts straight.

 

[JWat_]

I'm genuinely unsure if this is a troll thread, or if the OP just genuinely understands basketball about as well as he understands typography.

 

[Ron Mehico]

He said MSU's class would be so so or decent. That was an incorrect statement. It would a phenomenal class MSU is putting together if they land Bridges and Jackson, even by Kentucky standards. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves. Nobody is denying Kentucky their just due. You guys have had some ridiculous recruiting classes over the years, but to say this potential 2016 MSU blockbuster class is decent is just plain foolish imo.

I'm not just talking about last year bro. I'm talking about our other 3 final four teams and our 2010 elite eight team. You are getting all giddy about Izzo "changing with the times and becoming more dribble drive blah blah blah", AKA Izzo trying to be more like Coach Cal.

 

[Jkwo]

Cal is a master recruiter with way more resources at his disposal than Izzo, but he is not a better X's and O's coach than Izzo. If you read my quote, I said Ulis and Andrew Harrison could take their men off the dribble, so get YOUR facts straight.

You said "to some degree", and then gave a quote about Duke that made it sound like Ulis would be the 3rd best ball handler on that roster, which is an idiot take.

And I didn't say Cal was a better X and Os coach than Izzo, but you think that Izzo is way better which
1. Is another idiot take
and
2. Even if it were true (which it isn't), wouldn't change the fact that Cal is way closer every year on average than Izzo is and is therefore more likely to win another championship going forward.

Cal is an excellent Xs and Os guy and the best recruiter of this generation. He has produced the best initial 6 year run at a new school of any coach in CBB history. He took a garbage program in UMASS that had been to ONE NCAA tournament in 1962 and went to 5 straight tourneys, averaging 30 wins a season, a F4, E8, etc - spent almost the entire span ranked in the top 25. At friggin' UMASS, he was one of two teams to defeat the '96 cats, widely regarded as a top 3 CBB team of all time. And he did it with one single player that you can name - on most of those rosters, he had a total of two players with high major offers. You don't do that by not knowing how to coach.

If you come here wanting to talk about who can X and O, you'd better come with your facts straight.

 

[dlh331]

This is an odd site for rival fans to come to bragging how historically great their class is. MSU will have 3 x 5*

2013 UK had the RSCI #2, #5, #6, #9, #9 (tied), #18, and Kentucky State POY in Hawkins. 6 x 5*

2009 UK had #2 Wall, #3 Cousins, #19 Orton, #52 Bledsoe, and #64 Hood 3 x 5*

2010 UK had #4, #7, #11, #26, #26, and #52 3 x 5*

2011 UK had #1, #3, #7, #19 4 x 5*

2012 UK had #1, #8, #10, #39 3 x 5*

2014 UK had #5, #12, #18, #23 4 x 5*

2015 UK had 3 x 5*, 2 x 4* and a JUCO 1st team AA

Darryl

 

[I Am The 1 And Only]

I'm not following this closely, but don't all of these recruits have ties to Michigan for the most part? So I wouldn't say Izzo is adjusting...he is just getting guys that he should be getting that he let get out of state prior years.

Ward is the #1 ranked recruit in the state of Ohio. Langford is player of the year in Alabama. Matt McQuaid who was widely labeled as the the best shooter in the class of 2015 is from Texas. Eron Harris who is going to be a stud this year transferred from West Virginia. As you can see, Izzo is pulling more than just in state kids.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

. MSU is coming. Beware!!!

Ya think they can actually keep from getting slaughtered this time when they make the Final Four?

 

[brianpoe]

He said MSU's class would be so so or decent. That was an incorrect statement. It would a phenomenal class MSU is putting together if they land Bridges and Jackson, even by Kentucky standards. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves. Nobody is denying Kentucky their just due. You guys have had some ridiculous recruiting classes over the years, but to say this potential 2016 MSU blockbuster class is decent is just plain foolish imo.

So #3 is phenomenal?

What adjective do you use to describe #1 multiple years in a row?

 

[MSU129]

Ward is the #1 ranked recruit in the state of Ohio. Langford is player of the year in Alabama. Matt McQuaid who was widely labeled as the the best shooter in the class of 2015 is from Texas. Eron Harris who is going to be a stud this year transferred from West Virginia. As you can see, Izzo is pulling more than just in state kids.

So what was this thing I read about this past recruiting trip that Bridges was on and all the Mich connections? It read like Mich St was trying to assemble a Fab 5 that alll had ties to the state or something.

 

[Supafuzz75]

He said MSU's class would be so so or decent. That was an incorrect statement. It would a phenomenal class MSU is putting together if they land Bridges and Jackson, even by Kentucky standards. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves. Nobody is denying Kentucky their just due. You guys have had some ridiculous recruiting classes over the years, but to say this potential 2016 MSU blockbuster class is decent is just plain foolish imo.

I said exactly what I meant.. It's a soso for UK standards.. But it's great for msu standards.. You proved my point with your link without me even having to look it up.. Appreciate it..

 

[Supafuzz75]

Twasn't but a couple or so years ago that everyone,, including msu fans,, saying UK and their one and dones were RUINING college basketball,, lol..

 

[I Am The 1 And Only]

I said exactly what I meant.. It's a soso for UK standards.. But it's great for msu standards.. You proved my point with your link without me even having to look it up.. Appreciate it..

I gave Kentucky their props and said they have had some outstanding recruiting classes without a doubt. Kentucky is college basketball royalty. But what does Cal and Kentucky have to show for all those #1 ranked recruiting classes year after year? 1 national title. Same as Izzo. Those are facts!! Ok?

 

[Supafuzz75]

I gave Kentucky their props and said they have had some outstanding recruiting classes without a doubt. Kentucky is college basketball royalty. But what does Cal and Kentucky have to show for all those #1 ranked recruiting classes year after year? 1 national title. Same as Izzo. Those are facts!! Ok?

Elite 8
Final four
Championship
Runner up
Final four

We're in contention for a title almost every year,, except '13.. What's your results lately since Cal arrived at UK?

 

[RondoBaller21]

Oh please. That class only consists of two elite players. Get 4 elite players and you have something. And MSU is not and will not ever be the favorite next year.

He said MSU's class would be so so or decent. That was an incorrect statement. It would a phenomenal class MSU is putting together if they land Bridges and Jackson, even by Kentucky standards. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves. Nobody is denying Kentucky their just due. You guys have had some ridiculous recruiting classes over the years, but to say this potential 2016 MSU blockbuster class is decent is just plain foolish imo.

No, No it wouldn't. UK had a class of Wall, Bledsoe, Cousins and Orton. Another class of Knight, Jones, Lamb. Another class of Teague, Davis, Gilchrist, and Wiltjer. Another class of Randle, Johnson, The Twins, and Lee. And last years class was Booker, Ulis, Towns and Lyles. I would take every single one of those classes over the on MSU MIGHT have.

 

[brianpoe]

Ward is the #1 ranked recruit in the state of Ohio. Langford is player of the year in Alabama. Matt McQuaid who was widely labeled as the the best shooter in the class of 2015 is from Texas. Eron Harris who is going to be a stud this year transferred from West Virginia. As you can see, Izzo is pulling more than just in state kids.

This is great... So the two top 20 players in Ohio go to prep schools their senior year, that leaves the #69 player (who jumped all the way to 45 just because he signed with MSU) for the Number One Spot!

I wouldn't brag on that too much.

And now the current #69 player is the BEST SHOOTER in the class...

Eron was a 3 star with a bunch of turnovers, who refused to play defense for Huggy, and is currently suspended for a DUI

 

[gracetoyou]

Cal is a master recruiter with way more resources at his disposal than Izzo, but he is not a better X's and O's coach than Izzo. If you read my quote, I said Ulis and Andrew Harrison could take their men off the dribble, so get YOUR facts straight.

Izzo is not a good X's & O's coach. He's simply a motivator...that's it. Works well in the tourney until they play somebody.

 

[Pulaski Cat Fan]

So 5 star combo guard Josh Langford is not elite? Yeah right. Cassius Winston is the highest ranked 4 star guard in the class. He is one slot away from 5 star status. Ward was also one of the highest risers in the recruiting rankings and had a fantastic summer. MSU is coming. Beware!!!

Beware? Is Kentucky supposed to piss on themselves in fear? If you think Cal is worried about Izzo, then you can think again. It's more like Cal has UK reloaded and is pissed and looking for redemption. So I say Michigan State better beware.

 

[jrpross]

I feel like I just came to a family reunion, looked around the room, and saw one drunk guy that nobody knows, arguing with everyone that his family is better.

 

[Cat Ballou]

MSU fans need to thank Cal for showing Izzo how to win and thrive. No one cares if you finish fourth every year.

 

[Jkwo]

I gave Kentucky their props and said they have had some outstanding recruiting classes without a doubt. Kentucky is college basketball royalty. But what does Cal and Kentucky have to show for all those #1 ranked recruiting classes year after year? 1 national title. Same as Izzo. Those are facts!! Ok?

Taking shots at Cal again?

Contend with my post about Cal's Xs and Os or GTFO.

You can't throw out arguments that have already been dismantled in the same thread. Ain't nobody got time for that.

 

[Ghettobird]

I feel like I just came to a family reunion, looked around the room, and saw one drunk guy that nobody knows, arguing with everyone that his family is better.

Hysterical! And true!

 

[Wall2Boogie]

Michigan state came up with the theory of making 1 and dones 2-4 year players. That itself should get an applause. Sometimes they have guys that seem to stay there 4 score and 7 years. I think mateen cleaves is only a sophomore.

 

[mccollums]

Izzo will have to simplify his system to make a bunch of noise with Freshman. From what I know about it, it's a very structured play oriented offense. Not that Izzo isn't capable of adjusting but I can tell you one thing for certain....adjustments and the things coaches get praised for (sideline plays, switching defenses) etc... are much harder to pull off with Freshman.

 

[deplion]

I've always kind of liked Izzo and generally respected MSU.

These Spartan fans who keep running over here making asses of themselves is making me rethink that though.

 

[Blueblood22]

I think I broke a rib laughing at fanbases that still hide behind the "do things the right way" shield.

 

[I Am The 1 And Only]

What if Kentucky strikes out with Monk, Fox, Alkins, Bridges, Gabriel and Simmons? Highly unlikely, but stranger things have happened in recruiting. There are no guarantees in recruiting. I think Monk stays home and goes to Arkansas. Alkins may go to NC State, Bridges is going to MSU, Gabriel may end up at Duke or Md and Simmons at Ohio State. I think you guys have the inside track on Fox, but again nothing is guaranteed in recruiting. Not even for a program as prestigious as Kentucky. I'd rather have the bird in the hand that Izzo has. (3 commits with a 4th pending Saturday with Bridges) than two in the bush (SKJ and no one else of note as of now)

 

[Supafuzz75]

What if Kentucky strikes out with Monk, Fox, Alkins, Bridges, Gabriel and Simmons? Highly unlikely, but stranger things have happened in recruiting. There are no guarantees in recruiting. I think Monk stays home and goes to Arkansas. Alkins may go to NC State, Bridges is going to MSU, Gabriel may end up at Duke or Md and Simmons at Ohio State. I think you guys have the inside track on Fox, but again nothing is guaranteed in recruiting. Not even for a program as prestigious as Kentucky. I'd rather have the bird in the hand that Izzo has. (3 commits with a 4th pending Saturday with Bridges) than two in the bush (SKJ and no one else as of now)

I don't know why we'd think we would get a bunch of those.. Maybe the #1 recruiting class in 4/6 years with a #2 class the other two?

 

[jrpross]

I'd rather have the bird in the hand that Izzo has. (3 commits with a 4th pending Saturday with Bridges) than two in the bush (SKJ and no one else of note as of now)

Maybe. But I'd rather have 2 in the bush than be a dick.

 

[I Am The 1 And Only]

H

I don't know why we'd think we would get a bunch of those.. Maybe the #1 recruiting class in 4/6 years with a #2 class the other two?

Hmm we will see. This board was going nuts last recruiting season when you struck out on a bunch of plan A targets. Thank goodness Jamal Murray reclassified and joined BBN. Because some people on this board were highly upset about Kentucky and Cal's recruiting efforts prior to Murray and Humphries signing on.

 

[bucsrule8872]

This past Spring UK struck out with all of their top Spring targets and still ended up with the best recruiting class in the country.

UK fans should not be worried about recruiting at all. We have the best guy in the business.

We will be fine.

 

[Supafuzz75]

H


Hmm we will see. This board was going nuts last recruiting season when you struck out on a bunch of plan A targets. Thank goodness Jamal Murray reclassified and joined BBN. Because some people on this board were highly upset about Kentucky and Cal's recruiting efforts prior to Murray and Humphries signing on.

What bucsrule just said.. We'll get a top class regardless..

 

[seccats04]

So, how do you split up 52 points between 5 All Stars?

 

[bucsrule8872]

Looks like Sparty is going to land a great class.

Let's see what they do with it.

It won't be the number one class, since Duke looks to be pulling in the top class with Giles, Tatum, and Jackson plus maybe Bolden and possibly Gabriel.

That pushes MSU to a distant second, if it happens.

And if UK lands Fox, Monk, Simmons, and another big man to go with Killeya-Jones then MSU is likely third.

Plus NC State is likely getting Smith, Alkins, and Adebayo, which might push them back to fourth.

And the window is small to get that title with Jackson and Bridges being OAD. Will Winston and Ward be ready their first year to contribute big time? Will Harris return for another season?

They will be a title contender, but not the favorite.

Everyone who reads this board knows Duke is the 2017 national champs! The trophy is already in the mail to Durham. LOL!

 

[Cat Ballou]

What bucsrule just said.. We'll get a top class regardless..

Hmmm - that's all well and good, but in 2013 - 3 short years ago - we missed out on two of our top targets (Shabazz and Bennett) and ended up filling out the class with a fifth year transfer. We went into the year with no guard depth and one true PG, who turned out to be an emotional basketcase. Our only backup at PG was a former walk-on. We didn't have enough depth at any position to take anyone off the floor when they sucked. The result was a dumpster fire of a season.

Yeah - I'm sure Cal learned a lot from that season, but those of you who think Cal is infallible in recruiting and think he can pull a rabbit out of his azz in any situation are somewhat delusional.

Bridges is going to MSU, and I think Gabriel is iffy. At this point, I'd like to see Cal go all in on Fox, Monk and Simmons for the back three, and let's see if he can pull something off with Adebayo or Giles in the front-court.

Failing that, I suspect there are a couple of 2017 guys who might be prospects to reclassify who we aren't even considering right now.

 

[Supafuzz75]

Hmmm - that's all well and good, but in 2013 - 3 short years ago - we missed out on two of our top targets (Shabazz and Bennett) and ended up filling out the class with a fifth year transfer. We went into the year with no guard depth and one true PG, who turned out to be an emotional basketcase. Our only backup at PG was a former walk-on. We didn't have enough depth at any position to take anyone off the floor when they sucked. The result was a dumpster fire of a season.

Yeah - I'm sure Cal learned a lot from that season, but those of you who think Cal is infallible in recruiting and think he can pull a rabbit out of his azz in any situation are somewhat delusional.

Bridges is going to MSU, and I think Gabriel is iffy. At this point, I'd like to see Cal go all in on Fox, Monk and Simmons for the back three, and let's see if he can pull something off with Adebayo or Giles in the front-court.

Failing that, I suspect there are a couple of 2017 guys who might be prospects to reclassify who we aren't even considering right now.

We still had the #1 class.. And thank god we didn't get Bazz.. It didn't turn out as good as it was on paper though.. Add in our top recruit went down with a knee injury.. I'll rephrase what I said earlier.. We'll get a top class again this year..

 

[Jkwo]

H


Hmm we will see. This board was going nuts last recruiting season when you struck out on a bunch of plan A targets. Thank goodness Jamal Murray reclassified and joined BBN. Because some people on this board were highly upset about Kentucky and Cal's recruiting efforts prior to Murray and Humphries signing on.

Without Jamal Murray, it still would've been about as good as any class as Izzo has ever had, save this year, if I'm not mistaken, and it would've been top 3 instead of #1.

A grumbly, loud minority of idiotically spoiled UK fans making a fuss on this board over a class like that isn't indicative of anything other than how ridiculously good Cal has been.

 

[michaeluk26]

I gave Kentucky their props and said they have had some outstanding recruiting classes without a doubt. Kentucky is college basketball royalty. But what does Cal and Kentucky have to show for all those #1 ranked recruiting classes year after year? 1 national title. Same as Izzo. Those are facts!! Ok?

Uh we've also made 4 final fours in the last 5 years jackass. Only 2 other coaches in history have done that.

 

[Aike]

H


Hmm we will see. This board was going nuts last recruiting season when you struck out on a bunch of plan A targets. Thank goodness Jamal Murray reclassified and joined BBN. Because some people on this board were highly upset about Kentucky and Cal's recruiting efforts prior to Murray and Humphries signing on.

We have a few idiot fans. I'm sure you can relate.