Jay Bilas: NCAA officials ‘breaking their own rules’ to punish UNC
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Why does anyone care or give credibility anymore to anything Bilas says? ESPN puppet strings tied directly to his mouth.
He is hard to take.
I might agree with him based on the letter of the law. But what it fails to consider are the hundreds/thousands of documents, emails, etc. showing that these classes were *explicitly created* for the sole purpose of keeping players eligible. That other students eventually caught on and were able to take those same classes is smoke and mirrors.
bias needs to shut his mouth, he's just making himself look stupid at this point!
Yeah, that's the issue. I think in an ideal world UNC would voluntarily vacate the wins ... but that obviously won't happen.
It's a tough spot for the NCAA. A really tough spot.
Because he's the best analyst they have and has tons of credibility. Just because he has his own opinion different from yours doesn't mean he's wrong. Most of the vocal posters on this board like or dislike media members based only on if they are of the same opinion on a subject. I don't agree with Bilas on this, but I still like the guy. You can disagree and not hate someone. You know, like adults should be able to.
What about the illegal benefits in the form of free cars Jay? Can't overlook those.
I have not watched ESPN since the NCAA tournament started. Life without Jay and Dick and the ESPN crew is nice. I will not turn it back on until UK is playing football on the network.
I don't hate him but he's a bigger ACC homer then any UK homer fan that I know. He's saying this so that UNC doesn't get slammed too. He's so easy to read, hopefully the media catches on and ignores his rantings.
This. Amazing to me that the whole Fats/cars/mouthpieces/Tammy issues just went away; poof. Any other school and down comes the hammer. Lawyer up and never self-report. Disgusting, really. And Jay, you can gth with your shameful defense of uncheat. Hope you can sleep at night; wait, Skipper's checks are pretty good, eh?
He used to be one of the best imo but got sucked into his own hype. Pre-swaggy Bilas was good. Post not so much.
Well Jay Bil, if the NCAA isn't allowed to police this type of academic issue, than who is supposed to do that? The university isn't going to punish itself.
The second it was found out that grades were altered to keep players eligible it became an NCAA player eligibility issue.
Also, what's the difference between the eligibility of an incoming freshman and kids that are already in school? The NCAA is responsible for clearing kids coming from hs to college, why shouldn't they also be responsible for academic eligibility for kids that are in college and are playing NCAA sports? Somebody has to govern it and it can't be the university itself.
If UNC loses accreditation for the fake classes than those kids have to be ineligible. Plain and simple .
So Jay, the NCAA can use their own qualifications for admission into it's member schools, but can't have qualifications for classes once these student-athletes enroll at said school?
UNC opened the A-Fam classes to the general student population just so they could use the defense Jay is spouting in this article.
The "Carolina Way" is the biggest FRAUD in NCAA history!!!
RIDICULOUS!!!
UNC opened the A-Fam classes to the general student population just so they could use the defense Jay is spouting in this article.
The "Carolina Way" is the biggest FRAUD in NCAA history!!!
RIDICULOUS!!!
Bilas is brilliant, which is why it hurts us to see him go down this path.
It's not like he doesn't have an argument. But it's easy to view this as Bilas always siding against the NCAA in a reactionary way because he barely even acknowledges the problem in some of these cases.
It would be one thing if he actually followed the concept to its logical conclusion, which is that any academic matter is out of the NCAA's purview, which spells disaster for the entire sport.. and then made a recommendation to avoid that. But when he just leaves his criticism as it stands, he might as well be saying "yes, schools should be able to do this, and there's just nothing we can do about it".
It's not like he doesn't have an argument. But it's easy to view this as Bilas always siding against the NCAA in a reactionary way because he barely even acknowledges the problem in some of these cases.
It would be one thing if he actually followed the concept to its logical conclusion, which is that any academic matter is out of the NCAA's purview, which spells disaster for the entire sport.. and then made a recommendation to avoid that. But when he just leaves his criticism as it stands, he might as well be saying "yes, schools should be able to do this, and there's just nothing we can do about it".
The problem is, Bilas happens to be right in this case. What UNC did was wrong. The problem is not determining whether the classes existed or not, but whether they were used intentionally to keep athletes eligible. That is going to be harder to do, because there would have to be unadulterated proof that the intent was just that. To us, it is easy, but to prove it is harder, and probably why it is taking so long. And what Bilas is talking about is really legal matters more than anything else. It isn't about his opinion, it is about the facts which he is stating, which happen to be true.
The classes were a scam, but as Bilas mentions, do we really want the NCAA dictating curriculum in classes for athletes? Because once that starts, there is no end to it. Even programs who aren't trying to keep athletes eligible with no-show classes could be in danger of punishment. I think the NCAA wants to punish UNC because they see what we do. But what rule do they cite as broken? I believe if they ever feel like there is significant evidence to prove that the classes were made to keep athletes eligible, they will come down hard. That is hard to do just on a he said/she said type of evidence.
I don't like Bilas, but I can't fault his stance on this subject. If the NCAA wants to punish, they are going to have to think like the criminals do, and find loopholes to close the loopholes.
The classes were a scam, but as Bilas mentions, do we really want the NCAA dictating curriculum in classes for athletes? Because once that starts, there is no end to it. Even programs who aren't trying to keep athletes eligible with no-show classes could be in danger of punishment. I think the NCAA wants to punish UNC because they see what we do. But what rule do they cite as broken? I believe if they ever feel like there is significant evidence to prove that the classes were made to keep athletes eligible, they will come down hard. That is hard to do just on a he said/she said type of evidence.
I don't like Bilas, but I can't fault his stance on this subject. If the NCAA wants to punish, they are going to have to think like the criminals do, and find loopholes to close the loopholes.
Also, this piece tells me Jay must have heard something. If he's saying that the NCAA is going out of it's way to punish UNC*****.
I was under the impression that it was being swept under the rug. I'm glad to know the NCAA is still plugging away at this.
Maybe Jay will keep up the loud mouth agenda and make the NCAA even more determined than they already are just to piss him off.
I was under the impression that it was being swept under the rug. I'm glad to know the NCAA is still plugging away at this.
Maybe Jay will keep up the loud mouth agenda and make the NCAA even more determined than they already are just to piss him off.
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The emails prove without a doubt that the AFAM program had "controlled enrollment" and athletes were placed in those classes. That is preferential treatment and an "impermissible benefit," there is no way UNC can fight it, it is in the emails. The NCAA is not saying the classes are fake, just that athletes were given an impermissible benefit by being placed in those classes whenever they became at risk of losing elgibility. The email evidence of that makes it impossible for them to successfully appeal in court.
The COI hit them with ***5*** level one in fractions. There is no way they can find loopholes for all five.
Bilas is such a tool.
The COI hit them with ***5*** level one in fractions. There is no way they can find loopholes for all five.
Bilas is such a tool.
THEY FUNNELLED KIDS INTO FAKE CLASSES TO KEEP THEM ELIGIBLE! PERIOD.
How can there be no consequences? He needs to zip it.
How can there be no consequences? He needs to zip it.
As you can see in my last post, I don't entirely disagree, but
a. They didn't need incontrovertible proof to destroy Memphis or Louisville. They had fairly strong circumstantial evidence in both cases.
b. As someone else already mentioned, they rule on classes for incoming students - they've already crossed that line of subjectivity. From there, I don't see what's so wildly different about doing the same for college students.
The NCAA should respond and say sorry, we didn't know we needed a rule to specifically state that you can't offer fake classes to keep athletes eligible. Unless you are arguing that is acceptable, we will prosecute UNC using the most applicable rule in our standards. If the NCAA rules several UNC athletes ineligible then there will be a bunch of wins and banners falling.
Now this is something that would validate the punishment, because it would fall into the "wheel-house" of the NCAA. If accreditation is lost, then the kids would have to be ineligible and thus a violation. Hope this happens, as that would be easy.
The NCAA is not "judging curriculum," it's saying you can't specially place clusters of athletes in these courses specifically when they become at risk. 47% athletes in a major doesn't happen unless enrollment is "controlled" - aka an impermissible benefit.
If academics are not the responsibility of the NCAA, why punish D Rose for supposedly letting another student take his ACT exam? Why punish Southern Miss or SMU for academic violations? Time to be consistent and make the right, tough choices. UNC cannot be above the law if they are indeed creating massive fraud against students who signed on to receive a top quality education in conjunction with their athletic responsibilities. It will be crucial to the validity of the NCAA to get this right, imo.
Well, than the NCAA should be applying pressure to SACS to strip accreditation. If SACS doesn't remove accreditation for this, than what exactly would it take for them to do so? This should be a prime example of what you would strip accreditation for.
Then get rid of the APR requirements and allow ALL NCAA schools to put their athletes in sham classes and call it a day!!
UK's OAD kids have kept their grades up as high as ANY school in the NCAA. Yet, we are FALSELY ACCUSED CONSTANTLY of not making our kids "go to class".
UNCHEAT has ACTUALLY created a culture for their athletes to NOT have to worry about school work!!!
It's the "Carolina Way"!! What a load of CRAP!!!
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Grades were changed to keep players eligible. There are actual emails that prove that.
Those emails = GAME FREAKING OVER
Those emails = GAME FREAKING OVER
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He has received countless death threats to his family from UNC higher ups. It isn't being reported because Jay is scared for his family.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/north-carolina-academic-scandal
Among non-athletes, the courses were favored by fraternity members, to the point where Crowder expressed worry in an e-mail that word had gotten out on the “frat circuit.” (The report notes that some students were genuinely interested in the subject of the courses and took them seriously, even as the people administering them did not.)
In addition, the report states that several counselors within the Office of Academic Support Program for Student Athletes not only had direct knowledge of the shadow curriculum but also, in some cases, steered students toward these courses in order to help them secure academic eligibility.
Then get rid of the APR requirements and allow ALL NCAA schools to put their athletes in sham classes and call it a day!!
UK's OAD kids have kept their grades up as high as ANY school in the NCAA. Yet, we are FALSELY ACCUSED CONSTANTLY of not making our kids "go to class".
UNCHEAT has ACTUALLY created a culture for their athletes to NOT have to worry about school work!!!
It's the "Carolina Way"!! What a load of CRAP!!!
This
I mean if they skate , what's keeping other schools from creating FAKE classes to keep players eligible?
NCAA can't "rule on academic issues " yet they can require (and do require) a minimum GPA for student athletes, certain grades to even be eligible before they step foot on the court coming from high school etc.
Anyone defending this isn't very bright
Bilal claims UNC shouldn't be punished because the classes were available to all students. Those classes that were listed as lecture classes but had no instructor and never met and were designed for the sole purpose of maintaining eligibility for athletes. How could he say they were classes available to all students if they weren't real classes to begin with?
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Amateurism doesn't actually exist. One and done is smoke compared to UNC's diploma mill. If this stands D1 for profit sports should just go away.
I had this same opinion of him 3-4 years ago. He has changed since becoming the main analyst at ESPN and has his orders. He isn't the same guy who was objective and gave unbiased opinions.
a. yes, but both had rules for which violations occurred.
b. yes, but there is a standard by which the incoming students are measured by, and it is generally about as low as the general admission requirements for any common public institution.
Then get rid of the APR requirements and allow ALL NCAA schools to put their athletes in sham classes and call it a day!!
UK's OAD kids have kept their grades up as high as ANY school in the NCAA. Yet, we are FALSELY ACCUSED CONSTANTLY of not making our kids "go to class".
UNCHEAT has ACTUALLY created a culture for their athletes to NOT have to worry about school work!!!
It's the "Carolina Way"!! What a load of CRAP!!!
I think we all agree it is wrong, but the question is do we want the NCAA just punishing schools for anything they want, even if it isn't in the rules? And a lot of athletes are enrolled in similar easy courses (not fake ones necessarily) to lighten the load for them. most if not all schools do this. The NCAA rules are by and large just about determining amateur status. So all their rules boil down to a) are you eligible to attend college? b) are you still amatuer?
Bilas is a ballwashing lawyer defending his boss. What more would you expect?
Follow the money, guys. Bilas is being paid to attack the NCAA investigators.
The SACS ship has sailed. Nothing more from them They found evidence of fake classes and academic irregularities, made them clean their house, put them on probation (the worst punishment short of dis-accrediting) and basically said go and sin no more. Had to have been very embarrassing to the faculty, especially for such an esteemed university. Just shows how important basketball wins are. Kind of like UL, who actually got off pretty light, but are wailing and gnashing their teeth over the vacated games and natty.
That doesn't make sense. Why would he receive death threats from UNC when he is doing their bidding?
