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Jameis Winston declares for the draft

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No surprise. Now, if you had a top pick and needed a QB - Winston or Mariota?

Tough choice, imo. JW is more ready for the pro game due to the offense FSU plays. Mariota is a terrific athlete and a great college QB. Does that translate to the NFL?

OTOH, MM is a solid character guy and we all know about the various shenanigans that Winston has been involved in.

I think both can be good NFL QBs. I think, if Winston gets his crap together (not a given), he'll help his team quicker than MM. If the off-the-field stuff were irrelevant, I think JW is the better prospect. It's not irrelevant (right, Johnny Football?) so JW may slip. But, ultimately, I think he becomes a good NFL QB. MM will have to develop the ability to throw from the pocket, read defenses, go through his progressions, complete passes into tight windows, etc.

From what I know right now, I'd pick Winston and cross my fingers he's not the idiot going forward that he's been the past 12 months or so.
 
Who cares about JameAss Winston?!!? I hope the sorry POS doesn't get drafted, I hope he gets snubbed, and has to sign as a free agent At the very least I hope he is Mr. Irrelevant as the last pick in the draft. He is a turd pure and simple, and deserves no shot at NFL stardom.
 
Wouldn't even have him on my draft board. No way I put my Franchise in the hands of that knucklehead.

JaMarcus Russell 2.0
 
So glad to have him declare. So tired of seeing his name pop up in every other thread.
 
^Not even on your draft board? Seriously? If you ruled out all the 'knuckleheads' in the draft, you wouldn't have enough players listed to even complete a draft. While Winston may be way out on the bell curve of knuckleheads, he isn't alone by any means.

Can't say I like or dislike the kid - don't know him. I'm sure he got all the benefit of the doubt possible from FSU during his various antics (still not convinced the sexual assault charges are legit, having read about some of the eye witness testimony from the accuser's friends, no less). However, just yesterday several people were speculating that Dorial Green-Beckham would be a high first round pick and he got kicked off his team for being a knucklehead. But, we're all willing to overlook that and not JW's behavior? I'd bet a lot of money that Winston goes in the first 5 picks unless none of those teams need a QB.
 
Agree completely, gamecock. Regardless of his off field behavior, JW is, IMO, far and away the most "pro ready" of any QB I have seen play this year. His off field behavior as a collegian is unfortunately a level of misconducted pretty well tolerated in the pros.

His on field play reminds me very much of teddy Bridgewater (accuracy, quick release, reads well, etc.) and he has done very well as a rookie. Off field, of course, is a completely different story.

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He is head and shoulders over Bridgewater and M Mariotta as far as being NFL ready and also being what you have to do in the NFL. Bridgewater is closer to MM in character and is a great young kid. Very good skills but Winston is an NFL QB right now.

I would have no problem if teams took him off board because of behavioral issues and to not risk the draft pick.
If you are just throwing out FB than it is no comparison. Winston is the best player in draft, I think the people who will be scared are the Tampa Bucs, They will know when all is said and done that J. Winston is best player but they will take character over player. Don't blame them but I don't think MM will translate into a great player. Read where a scout says this is going to be the most interesting choice because when evaluating for NFL QB's that Winston is head and shoulders above everyone in draft, he said it is going to be great to see what Tampa does.

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I would take Winston based off of the kind of offense that he's been in at Florida State, how well he's performed, his competitiveness and will to win, all of that.
If I'm an NFL GM, I'm worried about every taking a QB out of the spread option offense, even if they do have 55+ TD's and 3 picks on the season. Especially if that team turns out to be far and away the best in the country as I believe that will prove to be in the natty game.
For Mariota, it's a different game, going from the best team to the worst, having to fight harder than you've ever fought to win games, facing the best defensive players to play the game night in and night out, learning an entirely new offense altogether, and killing certain tendencies that you had in college because it doesn't bode well in the new offensive system, especially it being the offensive system that belongs to the worst team in the NFL right now.
Winston doesn't have to overcome such a learning curve, he has a lot of tools to be ready for the NFL and its style of play right now. I think that's ultimately why I would pick Winston over Mariota.
 
Originally posted by gamecockcat:
^Not even on your draft board? Seriously? If you ruled out all the 'knuckleheads' in the draft, you wouldn't have enough players listed to even complete a draft. While Winston may be way out on the bell curve of knuckleheads, he isn't alone by any means.

Can't say I like or dislike the kid - don't know him. I'm sure he got all the benefit of the doubt possible from FSU during his various antics (still not convinced the sexual assault charges are legit, having read about some of the eye witness testimony from the accuser's friends, no less). However, just yesterday several people were speculating that Dorial Green-Beckham would be a high first round pick and he got kicked off his team for being a knucklehead. But, we're all willing to overlook that and not JW's behavior? I'd bet a lot of money that Winston goes in the first 5 picks unless none of those teams need a QB.
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Yep, plenty of knuckleheads at every level of college football, however, he is a friggin' prima donna, and running that mush-mouth of his in the NFL will get him a solid arse whooping and/or a healthy fine if he plans on talking to his NFL coach the way he did Jimbo down at FSU.

All in all, yeah he's talented, but he is dumb as a bag of hammers. If I am a GM, no way that I entrust my franchise to a punk like him, who will probably have one of the worst Wonderlick scores ever, if he can even read it to take it.
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Winston brings to mind Ryan Leaf. Long on talent, short on character. He will likely be a headache to the team that drafts him.
 
Dude Pubix is notorious for that and it had been going on forever. What happened was an employee ratted out the employee that gave Jameis the crab legs and he was fired. I'm sure ESPN didn't tell you that.

And Jameis was freaking out on the sidelines because he had just killed any chance they had of coming back and had never experienced a loss. Jimbo should have sat him down right there because you don't talk back to your coach like that but I've seen some of our Cats freak out before too.

And it's not a he said/she said. There is not one iota of evidence that backs her claims and in fax all of the evidence proved she was lying. Like claiming she was blackout drunk, nope..her BAL was not even close to that, she then claimed she was drugged..nope, toxicology reports showed that didn't happen. She said she was hit over the head. Nope. No trauma found. She said she didn't know who the guy was (gave a terrible description of Winston) but failed to mention she had his number in her phone and had been texting him. It's also funny her friend that reported it for her would not return th detective's calls and after supposedly bein raped in a text to her best friend cared more about answers to an exam.

She's a total liar. Every hearing has not sided with her at all. Her aunt is a big Florida fan and grad and has pushed this girl to go all in to try and get some cash out of this. Hell they even tried to get Jameis to settle for $7 million.

ESPN and the NYT setting up shop in Tallahassee caused Winston to not even go out anymore. Dude just stayed inside or in the film room (read that). This is ESPN making a mountain out of a mole hill which we of all people, Kentucky fans, should know that's their MO.
 
Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
Dude Pubix is notorious for that and it had been going on forever. What happened was an employee ratted out the employee that gave Jameis the crab legs and he was fired. I'm sure ESPN didn't tell you that.

And Jameis was freaking out on the sidelines because he had just killed any chance they had of coming back and had never experienced a loss. Jimbo should have sat him down right there because you don't talk back to your coach like that but I've seen some of our Cats freak out before too.

And it's not a he said/she said. There is not one iota of evidence that backs her claims and in fax all of the evidence proved she was lying. Like claiming she was blackout drunk, nope..her BAL was not even close to that, she then claimed she was drugged..nope, toxicology reports showed that didn't happen. She said she was hit over the head. Nope. No trauma found. She said she didn't know who the guy was (gave a terrible description of Winston) but failed to mention she had his number in her phone and had been texting him. It's also funny her friend that reported it for her would not return th detective's calls and after supposedly bein raped in a text to her best friend cared more about answers to an exam.

She's a total liar. Every hearing has not sided with her at all. Her aunt is a big Florida fan and grad and has pushed this girl to go all in to try and get some cash out of this. Hell they even tried to get Jameis to settle for $7 million.

ESPN and the NYT setting up shop in Tallahassee caused Winston to not even go out anymore. Dude just stayed inside or in the film room (read that). This is ESPN making a mountain out of a mole hill which we of all people, Kentucky fans, should know that's their MO.
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For God's sake, once again, could you please be a UK FOOTBALL FAN? That is all I ask with anyone posting on this board. NO ONE thinks you are a UK football fan on this board because you post 75% of the time on FSU crap man. I like you as a poster, you are good on the b-ball board, but please, let it go.
 
I don't care what the punk is freaking out about, you gotta have enough smarts about you to know you don't talk to your coach in a manner that draws the response it did from Jimbo. Here is the link to that little incident. The only thing I hope JW is freaking out about in the future, is his draft status falling out of the 1st round.

He is a punk any way you want to spin it.

http://deadspin.com/jimbo-fisher-threatens-to-bench-jameis-winston-1677020583
 
I'm torn.....as a Tennessee Titan Fan.

-Coach Whiz likes big framed QB's with cannons.....who anticipate and have a good feel for the passing game. (Think Ben Roethlisberger.) Also the reason why the Titans signed Mettenberger....and why they may ride Mett this coming yr. Winston is the best pro-ready QB in this draft.....and fits Whiz's preference almost perfectly. Winston has crazy talent on the field. His off-field issues are well-known, though. I don't want another Vince Young.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2015jwinston.php

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2015mmariota.php
 
Told my brother during the second half of the Oregon/FST game, that he would go after getting embarrassed that badly. Cue the crab legs signs in the NFL next season!
 
On the one hand franchise quarterbacks that can potentially get a team to a Superbowl are in short supply, every team wants one but few have them. Winston has the athletic tools to be one of those type quarterbacks. On the other hand, his immaturity and charter issues would potentially be not only an impediment, but an embarrassment to a program that is essentially a business, that depends on customer support to make a profit.

So if you are the GM of the Bucks or the Titans do you draft this guy or pass? Personally I would trade down for as much talent as I could get from some other team, stupid enough to gamble their future on this character.
 
UK8 I am a UK football fan first and foremost. There just hasn't been a ton to talk about the past six weeks. There's only do much OC speculation, recruiting, and QB predictions until you tune out.

If I see some misinformed statements, I point it out. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm not even a Jameis fan but just not a fan of people being called rapist when they are most certainly not.
 
I don't see one post in this thread accusing old Crabby Winston of being a rapist. A crab leg thief, yes, rapist, no. Try again.
 
Opens up a little room at FSU for a QB to come in and get some PT...

JW is the cant miss prospect...especially if you're the Buc's...

He and Mike Evans could do some things...I also like the idea of DGB maybe being around the second round...boom there ya go...a QB and to WRs for the future...offensive dynamite...

I think Lovie Smith can get Tampa back to some sort of competitive consistency...he's the type of guy that I think could handle Famous Jamies, and keep him on point...

Jamies is that dude...he's the prototypical QB...
 
Originally posted by Deeeefense:
On the one hand franchise quarterbacks that can potentially get a team to a Superbowl are in short supply, every team wants one but few have them. Winston has the athletic tools to be one of those type quarterbacks. On the other hand, his immaturity and charter issues would potentially be not only an impediment, but an embarrassment to a program that is essentially a business, that depends on customer support to make a profit.

So if you are the GM of the Bucks or the Titans do you draft this guy or pass? Personally I would trade down for as much talent as I could get from some other team, stupid enough to gamble their future on this character.
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If I'm the Titans.....who took a major hit with the fanbase with Vince Young......I.......
a) Hope that the Bucs take him so that I don't have to make a decision.
b) Hope that someone (likely the Jets) offer me a 2016 1st and 3rd rd pick to move up to get him
c) Choose BPA of Williams, Gregory, or Cooper
 
Originally posted by gamecockcat:
^Not even on your draft board? Seriously? If you ruled out all the 'knuckleheads' in the draft, you wouldn't have enough players listed to even complete a draft. While Winston may be way out on the bell curve of knuckleheads, he isn't alone by any means.

Can't say I like or dislike the kid - don't know him. I'm sure he got all the benefit of the doubt possible from FSU during his various antics (still not convinced the sexual assault charges are legit, having read about some of the eye witness testimony from the accuser's friends, no less). However, just yesterday several people were speculating that Dorial Green-Beckham would be a high first round pick and he got kicked off his team for being a knucklehead. But, we're all willing to overlook that and not JW's behavior? I'd bet a lot of money that Winston goes in the first 5 picks unless none of those teams need a QB.
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Its one thing having knuckleheads like Dez Bryant as a WR or a RB but you're talking about your leader. A QB is who everyone else looks at during crunch time. When you have 10 guys in the huddle with you with games and livelihoods on the line you don't want a guy who cant make good decisions off the field. There's a pretty good chance he won't make them on the field. Just like Manziel. I would stay the hell away from him.
 
You wouldn't take either with the top pick .. maybe first pick in 2nd round for JW. Wouldn't take MM at all unless I was Chip Kelly
 
Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
UK8 I am a UK football fan first and foremost. There just hasn't been a ton to talk about the past six weeks. There's only do much OC speculation, recruiting, and QB predictions until you tune out.

If I see some misinformed statements, I point it out. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm not even a Jameis fan but just not a fan of people being called rapist when they are most certainly not.
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And you would know this how? Let's face it, he certainly seems to have raped the girl (and possibly another student before that, too). However, we will never know because the athletic department and administration at FSU ignored reports and failed to investigate the accusations, ostensibly in order to keep him eligible. In fact, the school has just been sued by the girl for Title IX violations. The federal government is already investigating the school for this, as well. Further, the Tallahassee Police Department totally botched the case, essentially precluding any criminal charges from being able to be brought. Outside of some Seminole fans, the majority of the rest of the country views FSU and the TPD as laughing stocks. Jameis is viewed a bit differently. He will likely play in the NFL, but based on his antics so far, it would not be surprising if a number of teams dropped him down or took him off their boards completely. The recent incidents with Ray Rice, McDonald, et. al. has the league a bit mre concerned about character, which means red flags are going up around the NFL team offices about this guy.

But back to the original point - nobody can say for certain about his guilt due to what appears to be intentional misfeasance and malfeasance by the school and local police. And though that was the most serious offense linked to him, it was by no means the only one which shows character issues, if not lack of intelligence and maturity. Not good signs if one is an NFLgeneral manager on draft day.
 
Winston declaring for the draft was and is a no-brainer

He has to drop out of school to avoid going in front of an investigating committee on his alleged rape of a co-ed

IMO this year's draft is pretty much of a bust for professional quarterbacks and that includes both Mariota and Winston

Heisman winners have historically not panned out at the next level. Trouble-makers don't produce champions either, and I would cite Michael Vick as the poster child of that genre (at least until Jameis gets to the league).

There is certainly no QB in the SEC coming out that I would want to draft. There is no QB in college football that strikes me as even remotely interesting other than that 3rd-stringer at OSU and both Joshua Dobbs and Patrick Towles..
 
I would take Mariota and feel really sorry for the sucker who took Winston. You cannot take halves off in professional football.
 
Originally posted by Johnfarrel:

Winston brings to mind Ryan Leaf. Long on talent, short on character. He will likely be a headache to the team that drafts him.
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Good analogy
 
It all depends on where you draft him. I don't trust him, but if I can land someone of his ability in the 2nd round, then I'll take a chance.
 
Originally posted by BengalWACO:
I would take Mariota and feel really sorry for the sucker who took Winston. You cannot take halves off in professional football.
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My thoughts exactly. I can't help but look at Mariota and think Russell Wilson. Those guys are just winners, and you don't have to worry about them hurting the team.
 
Originally posted by ktbug:
It all depends on where you draft him. I don't trust him, but if I can land someone of his ability in the 2nd round, then I'll take a chance.
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Agreed.
 
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