I saw where AR15 has been demoted

[gamecockcat]

Who woulda thunk that he'd have accuracy problems in the NFL? He was always SOOOOO accurate in college. He may yet turn out to be a decent NFL QB, but I thought drafting him as high as the Colts did was a huge stretch and gamble. They're trotting 100-year old Joe Flacco out instead of their 'franchise' QB draft pick from last year. Just because he has ridiculous measurables doesn't mean he's ever going to be a good NFL QB.

 

[billoliver40]

He demoted himself. He took a knee in the middle if a game and said he was tired and he wanted to come out
So he's out.

 

[RunninRichie]

Colts are idiots for drafting a project QB. Probably could have gotten him in the later rounds.


That said, AR can make throws that not even Mahomo can make.

 

[Tf2217]

AR screwed himself coming out. He will likely never do anything the rest of his career. They've already soured on him.

AR was never good, he was a very good athlete who is huge..... But a QB he is not and the Colts wasted a top pick on a project at best expecting him to be Tom Brady.
Will Levis is 10x the QB that AR is with matching freak status. and Will has struggled mightily AR never had a chance especially needing to develop and getting thrust into a situation you're not close to ready for. and if the scouts legit thought he did then they need to be fired from their positions

You take AR about where Leary got drafted, and tell him to prove it. Not draft him #4 and hand millions guaranteed to someone who is never going to be worth the investment.

 

[gamecockcat]

I thought the Colts were dumb drafting him so early. Veri inconsistent and inaccurate in college. With a game that's sped up and includes elite athletes all over the field, why would the Colts think he's going to light it up in the NFL? In hindsight, they should've traded down and picked up a QB later but fortified a couple of positions with the trade.

Missing on a franchise QB early in the first inevitably sets a team back several years.

 

[trueblujr2]

AR has always been overrated, but we probably shouldn't cast aspersions too much. Will Levis is probably next in line for a demotion. I don't know if Levis would thrive in a different system or if there's anybody who'd take a flyer on him. What team out there could provide him a better opportunity to succeed?

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

At the time I said the GM should have been fired for the pick. Wasted a pick and millions on a workout wonder. He might be able to throw a ball through a barn hall, he just can't hit it.

 

[bballcat4]

I read an NFL scout yesterday who said AR had less than 50% completion rate in HS!!

He had him as a 4th-5th round pick. Article goes on to say how teams/owners get infatuated with some measurables. AR15 is fast and can throw it a mile.

And to think that Brock Purdy is still making less than $1mil as the last pick of the 22 draft! His payday is coming. Maybe we can get Shanahan to do OC side gig on Saturdays!

 

[gamecockcat]

Maybe we can get Shanahan to do OC side gig on Saturdays!

I think we could recruit and run the Shanahan style of offense. Physical running game, lot of short to intermediate passes, uses both the TE and middle of the field extensively, a lot of 3- and 5-step drops, not the interminably long developing plays we seem to want to run. When the QB makes the right reads, it works very well in the NFL.

If not that system, the Eagles have a DT QB, a big physical OL and running game, and pass enough to create big plays/score points but don't rely on Hurts to pass 40 times for 350 yds, either. I wouldn't have any problem with that system at all (might be able to recruit to it better as, generally, DT QBs don't necessarily have to possess the physical size attributes that pure pro-style QBs do).

 

[bballcat4]

I think we could recruit and run the Shanahan style of offense.

I agree in theory. But, don’t forget that Scangarello was a Shanahan disciple and his QB coach. That didn’t work out very well for us.

I’m convinced that lots of coaches have exceptional FB knowledge. It’s a copycat profession. What they don’t know, they quickly learn from others. The recruiting/drafting combined with communication skills, development, leadership, etc … is what separates the top tier coaches. (Opportunities are an obvious factor in college where there is no salary cap.)

I do think the OL decline over the last few seasons is proportionate to our program decline. We have more good skill players than we’ve ever had on the team.

Watching good skill players is entertaining. However, at the end of the day, whatever team that controls both lines of scrimmage usually wins. Our OL play slowly but surely diminished. I don’t pretend to know why it happened. Unfortunately, I don’t think it can be quickly fixed by the portal and I’m not certain we have many players on the roster that can make it better! It’s odd that our recruiting on the DL is probably the best it’s been in the history of the school! DL depth was where we previously struggled. (Along with many other programs.)

We’ll have to see where it goes.

 

[gamecockcat]

Scangarello was like a professor - could really design things in the lab, but couldn't dumb it down enough for the football players to execute. Many plays that I saw broken down were of great design. But, the execution was sorely lacking. I believe it was too complicated for the limitations of college FB. So, anyone running the Shanahan system at UK would have to be able to teach it and simplify it as much as necessary for the team to grasp it thoroughly and stay within the rules limiting practice time, etc.

 

[bballcat4]

I know we’re off the AR15 topic and I don’t want to hijack your thread. But we are on the topic of QBs.

Coen seemed to be a very good OC and seemed to get the best out of Levis. There was a breakdown with Leary. (From a distance, it seemed Leary was a loner and never provided locker room leadership. Coen went and picked BV and would’ve been interesting to see what he would’ve done this year. Unfortunately, Coen was an NFL guy at heart. I do think he brought the NFL mindset to UK where he just handed the OL to someone else and thought they could use free agency to fill in where needed. Maybe Coen and Wolford could have fixed it, but the decline of the OL began under Coen’s watch.

I’m not sure of the best fix. Momentum is a huge part of the process and things are starting to snowball against Stoops. That snowball is hard to stop once it begins rolling backwards.

However, new coaches in the SEC have less than a 30% success of making it 4 years. Many of these new coaches were considered “can’t miss” coaches and at historically good programs.

 

[Eccain01]

I know we’re off the AR15 topic and I don’t want to hijack your thread. But we are on the topic of QBs.

Coen seemed to be a very good OC and seemed to get the best out of Levis. There was a breakdown with Leary. (From a distance, it seemed Leary was a loner and never provided locker room leadership. Coen went and picked BV and would’ve been interesting to see what he would’ve done this year. Unfortunately, Coen was an NFL guy at heart. I do think he brought the NFL mindset to UK where he just handed the OL to someone else and thought they could use free agency to fill in where needed. Maybe Coen and Wolford could have fixed it, but the decline of the OL began under Coen’s watch.

I’m not sure of the best fix. Momentum is a huge part of the process and things are starting to snowball against Stoops. That snowball is hard to stop once it begins rolling backwards.

However, new coaches in the SEC have less than a 30% success of making it 4 years. Many of these new coaches were considered “can’t miss” coaches and at historically good programs.

I don’t agree with that. Coen was here one year. The decline began before that. We forgot that we had to go to the portal that year to get a left tackle because we didn’t have one on the roster. The depth and recruiting was already slipping.

 

[bballcat4]

I don’t agree with that. Coen was here one year. The decline began before that. We forgot that we had to go to the portal that year to get a left tackle because we didn’t have one on the roster. The depth and recruiting was already slipping.

Jackson, Young, Kinnard, Buford, Horsey, Flax and Fortner were part of ‘20 OL rotation. 3 of them are still playing in NFL. We were rotating younger guys (not mentioned above) in for a few series in most games.

Maybe the recruiting had started slipping, but that was a very solid OL before Coen arrived.

 

[Eccain01]

Jackson, Young, Kinnard, Buford, Horsey, Flax and Fortner were part of ‘20 OL rotation. 3 of them are still playing in NFL. We were rotating younger guys (not mentioned above) in for a few series in most games.

Maybe the recruiting had started slipping, but that was a very solid OL before Coen arrived.

Pretty sure young and Jackson were gone when Coen got there. Dare was the left tackle and fortner moved to center. My point was Coen wasn’t there long enough to effect that. The guys that were there were not recruited by him.

 

[bballcat4]

Pretty sure young and Jackson were gone when Coen got there.

You are correct. I was talking about Grans’s last year.

OL development was not great under Coen. However, there were a lot of extenuating circumstances with OL coaches. I agree the OL recruiting started declining before Coen’s arrival.

 

[gamecockcat]

Changing from inside zone to outside when Coen arrived seemed to throw a monkey wrench into our recruiting. Perhaps several guys who'd been on our radar and would have fit right into our offense were suddenly not the right fit and we had to scramble to get in on OL who were more likely to be outside zone guys. And, due to bad luck and misevaluation, we missed on several over the course of a couple of recruiting cycles. And, we're seeing the repercussions of those two cycles. I think it's nearly impossible to build an offensive line purely from the portal. You have to have some guys who've been in the program and developed, imo.