Like with Davis, players don't crap their pants when readying up for a shot about anywhere on the court with Ulis or Murray! 
Its becoming more and more obvious
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If Murray is FF MOP and wins #9 we can certainly have this discussion. Until then it's laughable.
I get so tired of people calling others trolls. Half the time they don't even use the term correctly. KWilt is no troll. He can be an over zealous cheerleader at times, but that is because he loves the team. He is off base here, but we all are sometimes. Well, not Kybassfan. He is infallible, but the rest of us post dumb things from time to time.
I don't care who is or was the better player. Im just glad they both played at Kentucky.
You finally said something that made some sense. I don't think they have to get to the FF to consider this one of Cal's better coaching jobs. With the injuries, lack of development in the front court with Skal, I don't think John is getting enough credit here. However, that doesn't mean you take that off the rails and said idiotic stuff. AD was the best to put on a uniform and that 2012 team was one of the best. My favorite Cats team was that 98 squad. That doesn't mean given the choice, I'm taking them over 12 or 96. if given a choice to who I want to run with,
Some people have no comprehension skills. The greatest freshman, and arguably any, season in NCAA history is all AD did while he was here.
If you want to go on offense only, consider this: If AD was to have taken the same number of shots as Murray, he averages over 25 ppg to go along with those record-setting defensive stats.
If you want to go on offense only, consider this: If AD was to have taken the same number of shots as Murray, he averages over 25 ppg to go along with those record-setting defensive stats.
Good lawd. I've made some bad posts before but this ranks right up there with some of my worst.
I wouldn't take Murray over Davis, Wall or Cousins without hesitation. I'd probably take Towns as well. Murray scores more than they did but all 4 are better players. Murray scores a ton because we need those points. I have no doubt all 4 players above could average 19 as freshmen if their team didn't have many scorers.
I wouldn't take Murray over Davis, Wall or Cousins without hesitation. I'd probably take Towns as well. Murray scores more than they did but all 4 are better players. Murray scores a ton because we need those points. I have no doubt all 4 players above could average 19 as freshmen if their team didn't have many scorers.
Wrong.
Off the top of my head- Kevin Grevey, 75, Kenny Walker, 85, Jamal Mashburn, 92 and 93.
I really don't like you. Like you can't believe half of the stuff you say can you?
Just when you think you've heard it all on this board, something like this tops it all. I don't even know where to begin to tear this thread apart except by saying.......YOU'RE COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL!!!
Mashburn scored 767 points during his sophomore campaign. That's good enough for 3rd on the all time list for points in a season behind Issel and Meeks.
Do I really need to list the accomplishments of a Mr. Anthony Davis? Who is not only the greatest freshman to play at UK but the greatest player to play at UK. If Davis was on a team where he was looked to score as much as Murray is, he would most definitely average 20 ppg. As well as still do all the other stuff he did that truly dominates games. He could dominate a game on both ends of the court if asked. I LOVE to watch Murray play. He truly is one of my favorite players and is a great player in his own right but to say that he is the best freshman ever is just mind bogglingly crazy!!!! Just plain crazy! You can't simply go by PPG. If you want to use PPG as a measuring stick, you have to use PPG per 40 mins. That is the only accurate stat that you can use. Murray plays more than AD did and he is looked to score a lot more than AD was looked at to score. The 2012 team had other players that could score. This team does not and basically has only 2 or 3 "scorers" on the team. That's a big variable and it's just not accurate to use PPG as your stick for who is the better player. That's just craziness B.
Ulis and Murray are great. Giving them superlatives is not unreasonable. I don't necessarily agree with OP, but this back court is spectacular.
Didn't Meeks average over 20 one season? By the OPs logic that means Meeks is the greatest cat to ever put on the blue and white. I mean he did score 54 in a game.
murray isn't the best player on his own team at kentucky
but he has more of an impact than arguably the single best kentucky player ever
what a schmuck this guy is
After 23 from Murray tonight he is on Patterson and Cox ass for 45th all time.
Here you go:
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/seasonpoints.html
Now times 19.5 x 40....
Next time do your homework before spouting off Einstein.
davis won more honors in 2012 than christian laettner did in 1992. that means greatest season ever kwilt. that means ahead of michael jordan, glenn robinson take your pick. murray is not on their level bro. he's a stud but not the same. davis just scored 59 and 20 against the pistons. wake up.
Murray with 7 straight gms of 20 or more points.
Have to go back to Meeks 7 yrs ago when he did it 9 gms in a row to trump it.
Difference? Meeks was a Junior and My Man Murray is only a 19 yr old Freshman.
Have to go back to Meeks 7 yrs ago when he did it 9 gms in a row to trump it.
Difference? Meeks was a Junior and My Man Murray is only a 19 yr old Freshman.
to be fair, AD didn't have to
I do think Ulis is the best pg of the Cal era, though
Murray showed the full repertoire tonight:
Three point bombs....mid range jumpers....free throws....layups....dunks...and floaters.
He didnt let me down.
I know who we are dealing with here....do you?
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Three point bombs....mid range jumpers....free throws....layups....dunks...and floaters.
He didnt let me down.
I know who we are dealing with here....do you?
Murray showed the full repertoire tonight:
Three point bombs....mid range jumpers....free throws....layups....dunks...and floaters.
He didnt let me down.
I know who we are dealing with here....do you?
We are dealing with your foolishness.
We all love Murray. He's great. You are just way over the top.
Murray only hit 2 threes and still scored 23 points!
He is a scoring machine.
With Ulis as his side kick we may not lose again.
Think 33-7.
He is a scoring machine.
With Ulis as his side kick we may not lose again.
Think 33-7.
Going back quite a few years and using the qualifier "first year player", IMHO, Mike Casey (67-68 season, 20.1 ppg, would have been mid-to-high 20s if 3-pt line had been in effect, 48.9% from the field, 82.2% from the freethrow line, 7.7 rpg, 2.2 apg) had a first year that surpassed Murray's by a considerable margin!
I can understand how we, the fans, have a predilection for comparing players and saying this one, or this guy was better than the other. I'm not posting in this thread to argue about anyone's opinion.
Why I AM posting in this thread is that Kentucky basketball has been great for longer than most of us have been alive, and there are SO MANY players throughout our history that you can make a case for being the "MVP" or "best player in his fresh/soph/jr./sr. season."
I can't help but to go back and think of all the great players, all throughout the ages. I respect the current players and past as well, and think they all have their individual qualities that made them great while they played at UK.
Dampier? Best pure shooter ... but then you could say Delk or Lamb ... Dampier is my pick, though.
AD ... the best ever to play for UK ? Well .... I have a hard time going with AD's single season compared to THE HORSE in his entire time here. But again, that's just my take.
We can play this game all we want to, fill it up with hyperbole and whatnot. Maybe it's just that some of our posters simply can't go back - WAY back - enough to remember the greats from seasons past.
I just wanted to throw that out there, since it seems noone else is giving the greats of seasons' past their due. We're the most fortunate fanbase in the WORLD to have had such great players - and so many of them - that we should tip our hats to them, and try to keep things in a little ..... broader perspective.
just reminding us to be mindful.
peace out, Rafters !
-runt
Why I AM posting in this thread is that Kentucky basketball has been great for longer than most of us have been alive, and there are SO MANY players throughout our history that you can make a case for being the "MVP" or "best player in his fresh/soph/jr./sr. season."
I can't help but to go back and think of all the great players, all throughout the ages. I respect the current players and past as well, and think they all have their individual qualities that made them great while they played at UK.
Dampier? Best pure shooter ... but then you could say Delk or Lamb ... Dampier is my pick, though.
AD ... the best ever to play for UK ? Well .... I have a hard time going with AD's single season compared to THE HORSE in his entire time here. But again, that's just my take.
We can play this game all we want to, fill it up with hyperbole and whatnot. Maybe it's just that some of our posters simply can't go back - WAY back - enough to remember the greats from seasons past.
I just wanted to throw that out there, since it seems noone else is giving the greats of seasons' past their due. We're the most fortunate fanbase in the WORLD to have had such great players - and so many of them - that we should tip our hats to them, and try to keep things in a little ..... broader perspective.
just reminding us to be mindful.
peace out, Rafters !
-runt
I've seen you say this so many times to be followed up by a loss the very next gsme. I swear if it happens again you should be banned. .why would you give them the kiddos of death again and again
"Scoring mark" now means total points? Oh, obviously. Because yeah, let's ignore the fact that 40 games (that haven't even been played yet- and the reality is that the only guaranteed number is 33, not 40) is a lot more than 31-36, and that the 23.6, 22.9, 20, 21.3, and 21 averages that Grevey, Walker, and Mashburn put up are all higher than the sub 20 average that Murray is currently sporting.
Murray is an absolute stud, possibly the most talented 2 guard to ever play at UK. But you're being a dipsh** throughout this entire thread. "Total points in a season" is not a great measuring stick, and neither is scoring average, actually, especially when you're talking about Anthony Davis. Because you're comparing a guy who averaged over 10 rebounds and 4.5 blocks on a 38-2 National Champ to a guy who's putting up huge scoring numbers as the centerpiece of the offense on a team that's lost 7 games so far.
I say James Daniel is POY this year. I mean, he's putting up 27.6 ppg. Yeah, he's a 5'11" guard who shoots 20 times a game, and only hits 38%, on an 11-17 team, but 27.6 is more than anyone else.
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Murray is having a fantastic season but Anthony Davis did much more than score. Truth be told, he didn't have to be a volume shooter like Murray. If he had shot more he could've easily averaged 20+ a game.
The intent of the troll is to get people to bash Murray, do not feed him.
Add another victim to the ignore list along with Uliswhateveritcallsitself and Cutnets
Why do we have to have these best ever, first you can't compare this stuff, things are different, there was a time when Freshmen could not even play, then there was a time where freshmen and sophomores had to earn their time on the court because most teams had veteran players called juniors and seniors, so stop all this best ever junk and just enjoy the kids and the game.
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