Well ****. I was holding out hope for one more season but the NFL calls, you answer. I hope we take another Rams assistant
It’s Official, Coen to the Rams
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Regardless of what the staff is feeding these kids, I would expect some if not many to go for a waiver to transfer if Stoops isn't decisive here with a replacement. He should have already had informal interviews imo
Trust me….he’s not caught off guard by this news. He already got his guy.
It sucks we have to bring in another coordinator but I don’t think Coen was doing anything extraordinary as a playcaller here. We were a little more balanced but we had an upgrade at QB from Wilson and Robinson bailed us out a lot of bad situations. I agree, we need to bring someone in with a similar philosophy to continue the momentum of recruiting.
I’m guessing Coen has aspirations of being a NFL head coach. McVay calls the plays. It’s not like Coen gets to be a playcaller as OC
I’m guessing Coen has aspirations of being a NFL head coach. McVay calls the plays. It’s not like Coen gets to be a playcaller as OC
Yeah the man was a great offensive mind. But Wandale coulda made Bill Curry look like Nick Saban.
Just give us a sound replacement and turn this into a solid opportunity.
Just give us a sound replacement and turn this into a solid opportunity.
I think that's a gross over simplification of the job Cohen did.
I think it is telling that he was a college OC for one year and that was enough for the Rams to then name him their OC. Remember, prior to coming to UK he had only been an assistant WR and assistant QB coach. So, he wasn't even the WR coach or QB coach and after just one year of being an OC in college he's promoted to being essentially the top assistant coach in the NFL. Again... that's telling to me.
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Don't laugh. Give the man a QB (check) and he probably surprises a lot of BBN faithful. Those UC offenses of his bore no resemblance to what he was doing at UK out of necessity. Need a QB coach, though.Stoops already has his replacement in house...thankfully.
Still, might be awkward, and we probably (hopefully) have better options that can pick up the McVey playbook and just run with it.
Fans would riot and it would literally zap all the momentum we’ve been building.
And we used him. Beneficial relationship to all.
it does make wonder if his wife liked LA better. A lot of things come into decisions like this.
Woodward has QB coaching experience. Would Stoops bump him to OC/QBs and hire a new WR coach?
This needs to be resolved soon, I'm sure Stoops knows that! Spring ball starting in March, the month is also an important recruiting time. Knew people would be coming for asst coaches, never thought UK/Stoops would be replacing half the staff.
I think due to Woodward's lack of experience, I would look for a similar hire to Coen, NFL assistant from the Rams, 49ers, or Packers. The other guys from the McVay/Shannahan tree are newer with likely less time to develop their younger staffers. Tell Woodward to soak in all the info from the new guy and that he's the guy once the new guy follows the Coen path. Woodward doesn't have NFL experience so he may be more likely to not get swayed by the big lights of the NFL. I think he's the guy He just needs more experience.
Connections. Stoops has someone who will be extremely successful in the NFL and who can provide names of lesser-known folks (like Coen was when he was first hired) if we ever need them. Besides, the more successful coaches that come through Kentucky and prosper elsewhere, the greater chance that they'll come back or recommend the university down the road.
Just like in any arena, success hinges on connections, connections, and more connections.
Stoops' OC hiring track record:
1. Brown - B+ hire
2. Dawson - D hire but he wanted Lincoln Riley before OU swooped in so the right instinct
3. Gran - C+ hire...solid offenses that trailed off as defenses adapted; 2019 offense was a great coaching job that could have won him a Broyles
4. Coen - A hire
If past is indeed prologue I think UK will be alright.
1. Brown - B+ hire
2. Dawson - D hire but he wanted Lincoln Riley before OU swooped in so the right instinct
3. Gran - C+ hire...solid offenses that trailed off as defenses adapted; 2019 offense was a great coaching job that could have won him a Broyles
4. Coen - A hire
If past is indeed prologue I think UK will be alright.
Oh, absolutely. A haymaker of astronomical proportions for die-hard fans. Just something we have to take on the chin. Thankfully, I think Stoops has earned the benefit of the doubt with coord hires. Even OC hires, thanks to Coen. That's the one silver lining I see.
Yeah it will be interesting to see how this plays out career wise for him. Lot of pressure to keep results up at the level that won them a super bowl already, and even if they do McVey may still get most of the credit for it and no Liam.
Think his better career path may have been at the college level but he may like th pro game better and does nt have to recruit.
Wandale sure didn't make Scott Frost look like Nick Saban.
Some UK football fans don’t have a clue about how impressive what Liam Coen did with the offense really was in just a very few months.
This is how its done Mr Wolford. And I'm sure Liam is leaving on good terms with all inside the buidling and will do what he can to help in the transfer. I think he genuinely appreciated his time here and is why most fans appreciate him as well.
You have to understand this to truly understand the impact Liam Coen had on UK football.
No Coen- no Levis.
No Coen- No Wandale
No Coen- likely no balance in the run/pass
If you don't think what he did with last year's offense was extraordinary, please compare last years 3rd. down conversion percent and Red Zone success with the previous year(s) before Coen, and you will have a better understanding of how special it was having him here for one year.
WOW That would be a great hire if possible
Didn’t think about lesser known coaches he might know about and recommend. Nice thinking.
We get none of those players if Gran is still the OC. They came to play in Coens (Rams) offense.
Not a chance. Gran had ample time here and led some of the worst offenses in the nation during that time..
None of the McVay assistants have called the plays and more than a handful have already moved to NFL or P5 head coaching jobs. That job is a fast track to being a head coach at a major destination. Staying at Kentucky would of been a longer transition.
I agree its too soon if he took one of the other 31 OC spots in the NFL, but the Rams are a perfect fit for a couple reasons: First, and most obvious, is the scheme. Coen brought the Rams playbook with him to Lexington so he's a perfect fit. Second, and something that's been overlooked, is although Coen will be the OC, McVay will still call the plays. Always been that way with him, so I think the OC position with the Rams doesn't have near the pressure of the other 31 teams
I agree but you don’t become a coach at this level(at least for long) and being sought after if pressure rattles you.
Not so fast my friend. Being reported that he hasn’t signed a contract yet. Rams not paying nearly as much as UK. Would LOVE to see him stay!!!
I realize this is maybe just a matter of time, but it ain’t over yet!!!
I realize this is maybe just a matter of time, but it ain’t over yet!!!
Didn’t say anything against him about the philosophy or recruiting. That’s why I said we needed to get something similar. I’m just stating his play calling was nothing innovative.
It’s also grossly unfair to compare 2020 to 2021 when you realize the upgrade at QB & WR, all SEC schedule in 2020 including Bama, and limited fans in the stands. All those things play a factor. like I said, I like his philosophy and a balanced attack. Bring something in similar but he isn’t irreplaceable like some are acting
I think they want to run this particular offensive system. I don't think Mullen runs this system. I could be wrong about that though. I think they will look for someone who will continue down the path we have started down.
His scheme was light years better than anything we had previously. And it’s not unfair. We didn’t have the QB and WRs because we sucked at recruiting them and developing them That falls on the coach.
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